The two sides of the abortion debate in America literally face one another in this documentary from filmmakers Heidi Ewing and Rachel Grady. In Fort Pierce, Florida, a women’s heath care center is located at the corner of 12th and Delaware. On the same corner, across the street, is another women’s heath care center. However, the two centers are not in the same business; one provides abortions along with a variety of other health services, while the other primarily offers counseling to women considering abortion, urging them to keep their babies. In 12th and Delaware, Ewing and Grady offer a look inside both offices, as pro-life counselors give women a mixture of concern and disinformation about terminating their pregnancies and the pro-choice medical staff struggles to work under the frequent threat of violence against them. The film also examines the handful of protesters who stand outside the abortion clinic, confronting both patients and staff as they enter and exit.
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At some point we are going to discover all the children we killed are not here to pay our bills, find cures for diseases, fight our wars, build our cities, or even have a conversation with.
These are people they are killing and they know it.
This seemed overly slanted towards anti-choice views…
Fun fact: The president of the pregnancy center shown molested a woman in his church for two years.
that anti abortion lady is so into the pastor. that’s why she’s doing this.
I wish that the man who has decided to post pictures of abortion Doctors would have someone to post pictures of him stating he is a harasser of women, etd. etc.
They’re not pro life, they’re anti-choice.
How can people believe that they care about life when they tell a woman to have child with her abusive partner? Do woman’s lives not matter?
Their disregard for the lives of the women (and children) who they’re coercing into motherhood astounds me.
These people seem to have unlimited time on their hands so why don’t they spend it in a more constructive manner?
They could provide education and supply birth control to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies and help reduce the number of abortions required.
Or they could foster all of the unwanted children in care and put their time and energy into these children who actually need help.
I take it all these “pro life” people are also vegans since they care so much about all living beings? I seriously doubt it.
Why is every comment posted like 5 times?
God is a fiction. Prove me wrong.
You have already been proven wrong, yet didn’t know it.
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I agree. I still think abortion is disgusting. It the answer for the degenerate loser who will not man up and do the right thing. Like the one young lady said ” I don’t have a job etc” as if her loser of a boyfriend couldn’t get a fucking job!
It’s amazing to see these women come to the crisis pregnancy clinic and explain real, concrete concerns, like “I don’t have insurance, I don’t have a job.” Or, “I’m in an abusive relationship.” Or (unspoken), that they’re 15. And the clinic has nothing for them. They have no skin in the game, they’re not going to be there when the baby needs medical care, or food, and there’s no money for it.
Everyone in this movie on the pro-life side acts so brave – “oh, I’m outside the clinic, blocking the car.” Oh, I’m talking to this pregnant woman in the clinic. But, they’re not the brave ones. The brave ones are the ones facing actual difficult circumstances. The pregnant women. The protesters and crisis clinic workers look pretty ridiculous in comparison.
No one wants to be controlled! This is not about abortion as much as it is about bad leadership of a country. Hitler went a step further. Forcing German woman to work and have more babies. While jews were sterilized. No one is arguing the right to freedom. We are arguing about the right to take innocent life.
He gives and He takes away. He has that right. We cannot give life so we should not take life. Are we to accept good from God and not adversity?-Job
I thought you were okay but now I can you are a zealot!
don’t we give life when doctors resuscitate patients that have stopped breathing etc.
My goodness you are simple.
why can’t people just get on with their own lives?
I actually had an abortion at 12th and Delaware in 2001. I has severe bleeding after wards and stabbing pain. I called the clinic and they were NOT interested in helping, they told me to go to the ER. The problem was that I did not know the exact procedure done to my body, so the ER was left in the blind about how to treat me. This happens across the nation. The abortion clinics operate like third world countries when it comes to healthcare. 12th and Delaware also has 31 pages of violations including no steril suturing equipment, no crash cart or other emergency equipment, and if the ambulance comes, the hallways are not even large enough for their gurney. We are all given free will by our creator. He has also given each of us the right to life. Scripture says that His laws are written in our hearts. That’s why we are the only living creatures to even have a conscience our no right from wrong. No one would kill a child living in poverty because he is “already alive and here on earth”. So is the fetus! Btw fetus means developing child. From that point, we all continue to develop until the age of 25! at 21 days the embryo has a heart that is beating his OWN blood, often different from that of the mother’s. Science cannot prove how a new born baby has the strength to breath thru lungs full of fluid at a pressure greater than -60! It just doesn’t have the muscle or strength to take this first breath. Scripture says, God breaths the breath of life into you. key words “THE BREATH of life, because you are already alive in your mother and only need the BREATH of life when you enter the world. Job 10:10 says He guided your conception and formed you in the womb.
I feel completely violated by a woman’s world. I was eighteen and told that my child was “not a baby yet” at 16 weeks. I urge you to look at a pre born child at 16 weeks. It looks just like “a miniature baby”. Abortion hurts women and I will not be silent about this! Btw, the man in the documentary that had his sign cut up by the producers, actually provided me the only comfort on the day of my abortion. He was there afterwards to tell me God was NOT mad at me and it was okay to grieve my child. No one else gave me that freedom to grieve. Rather, they told me it wasn’t a big deal and it was barley a baby at all. It was a baby! It was my baby and I will always be his/her mother. Everyone has to make their own choice, but NOONE should be lying to young girls only for their own profit. The crisis center doesn’t make a profit, and are doing the best they can to provide help.
If an abortion was legal this would not happen. Sorry about your situation and I do feel bad for you but if it was legal then proger medical care would be given.
I’m an RN and for someone who has uncontrollable bleeding, it is the clinic’s JOB to advise you to go to the ER. Do you think the CPC next door would have helped you? NO, not unless they wanted you dead. The correct course of action is to send you to the ER or have you call 911.
Nobody here believes you had an abortion. It’s pretty clear that you’re a jesus freak.
Of course, life begins at conception and it’s pointless to argue otherwise- but consciousness does not. Without consciousness a fetus does not have the knowledge of life that it would be missing out on if it is aborted. It is conscious-less, as evidenced by the inability of any human being, ever, to remember being in utero.
If you are comfortable arguing that a conscious-less living thing always has a right to life and not have it’s fate decided by man, then stop eating plants. or anything.
I have to disagree with you, respectfully. Fetuses (latin word meaning “small” child) apparently ARE conscious of themselves and their surroundings. New studies show that they are very busy in the womb (Hebrew for seat of “mercy”) They learn their native dialect, the sound of Mom’s voice, and are already laying the foundation for problem solving such as math! They also practice sucking and even breathing to prepare for their journey to the outside world. The studies show without a doubt they are conscious and very intelligent. Why would you base your theory of preborns not being conscious because no one remembers that stage of life? I dont remember anything about when I was 2 either, but any 2 year old is aware of themselves and the people and world around them.
A fetus is the prenatal phase that starts at the 12th week of gestation. Since three months is the usual limit for voluntary termination of pregnancy, it involves embryos not fetuses. The fact that a foetus is conscious, has a heart, or knows how to dance polka is irrelevant. In fact, the limit for voluntary abortion is set to 12 weeks because that is when the embryo becomes a foetus and develops independent organ systems. Please stop spreading false informations.
50% of pregnancies end in natural miscarriage. God is the worst abortionist there is!
Oh come on… First she feeds a pregnant woman McDonalds and then she tells her that a baby might “change” her abusive boyfriend?? What kind of advice is that? The deception and the false information that they give these vulnerable, scared women just makes my blood boil.
It is absolutely infuriating.
I agree. There is some error on the part of the lifers. They are human after all. I do belive their hearts are in the right place. Abortion hurts women and men. We all know that a decision like that is never forgotten. I wish I had someone give me hope that the situation may not be as bad as it seems. Everyone in my life wanted death for my unborn child. Mothers do Not make the decision to kill their own children. We have to be pressured and/or decieved by someone or some situation to do so. Thats a fact!
Do not talk for other people.
Wrong. I have never regretted it. The man in question tried to talk me out of it but I know who I am and what is best for me. I have one PLANNED child. If I had more than one child I would be in trouble- emotionally, financially, maybe even legally. Women are not sub-human. Our quality of life determines the quality of our children’s lives. And if a woman is over-stressed, over-worked, over-tired, depressed, and has not one minute to even use the toilet in peace, imagine the effect that has on her mental health. To be a good mother, you must first take care of yourself. We are not brood mares. We are HUMAN BEINGS!
No, you are incorrect.Not everyone feels as you do. I had an abortion 15 years ago and did not grieve over the decision. I use contraceptives and do not grieve over the pregnancies that MAY have occurred, if only I didn’t use them. Do I understand the difference between a human sperm and ova; and a human embryo/fetus? Yes, far more than any of the CPC workers do.
What that CPC clinic is doing is wholly unethical.
That’s definitely not true. Thousands of women DECIDE to abort their children based on their own INDIVIDUAL circumstances. I agree that there are women who are pressurised into making a certain decision but if anything, many women who would choose to have an abortion are instead forced, whether through psychological manipulation or cultural preferences (i.e. religion) to keep continue to carry the foetus. It’s incredibly sad that women aren’t given the complete freedom to make their own decision on birthing a child. A friend of mine who was raped at 16 aborted her baby because she didn’t want to be reminded of the trauma she experiences by having such an act committed against her, which despite not being the fault of the child, would nevertheless have caused her psychological damage that would regress her own mental state. This therefore goes back to the argument in which we can either risk a woman’s health by forcing her to carry a child and hence bring a new life into the world while simultaneously ruining a present one. Or we can allow women the right to a healthy life by encouraging them to make their own decision based on unbiassed information. 😀
I cannot believe this woman is encouraging women, who admit they come from abusive homes, to still have children because it might “change” these men… And that is not considered “wrong”?
I cannot understand how these religious fanatics make the choice to badger these poor young women, when there are so many important causes they could be directing their money and time to… What about forced prostitution in the U.S.? Poverty? Lack of education? Etc. Etc…
Here is something to think about if you are “pro-life” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decre%C5%A3ei
man… if there was just a simple answer.
but the fudging of the dates to make it to late to get an abortion within a certain state??? man that is hard core… i mean killing doctors and what not too…
People are entitled to their opinions, but what these “Pregnancy Counseling Centres” are doing is incredibly inethical. They peddles so much misinformation that you can see in this film. For example, the staff keeps telling them fetuses “grow so fast, they double in size every week”
Wrong, wrong, wrong. Week 7 – 9 mm, Week 8 – 13 mm, Week 9 – 18 mm. Not. Doubling. And they don’t look like fully formed miniature babies, check out what an embryo (note: embryo. Not even considered a fetus yet.) looks like at 6 weeks: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Human_Embryo.JPG/200px-Human_Embryo.JPG
That you can get breast cancer from abortion. Entirely false, no connection.
And then she accuses the clinic across the street of not being “neutral”? For giving accurate, peer-reviewed medically sound advice.
People are entitled to correct information in order for them to make a decision for themselves. You cannot feed people false information so they agree with you. The fact that they need to resort to this puts so many holes in their case. And this false info is commonplace – that abortions lead to breast cancer, playing videotapes of false ultrasounds, lying about risk & complication rates. And none of these people are actual health care professionals – they are in no place to be communicating medical information to people. It’s absurd. And the way she goes about whispering about the patients with the staff, relaying her judgments? It’s so unprofessional.
If these people want to reduce the number of abortions, they should be rooting for MORE birth control and comprehensive sex education. But these are the same people advocating abstinence-only programs statistically shown to INCREASE the rates of teen pregnancy and sti’s. Congratulations, you’ve got yourself a man-made paradox. It’s ludicrous the damage pro-lifers are doing. I respect your beliefs, but not your irrational and dangerous tactics.
Here’s a few facts for you:
– You are more likely to experience death, complications or loss of fertility by giving birth than by having an abortion.
– The risks and complications associated with abortion are on par with other routine procedures.
– Most women do NOT regret their abortion. Check out this site for stories! http://www.imnotsorry.net/
Thank you
People are entitled to their opinions, but what these “Pregnancy Counseling Centres” are doing is incredibly inethical. They peddles so much misinformation that you can see in this film. For example, the staff keeps telling them fetuses “grow so fast, they double in size every week”
Wrong, wrong, wrong. Week 7 – 9 mm, Week 8 – 13 mm, Week 9 – 18 mm. Not. Doubling. And they don’t look like fully formed miniature babies, check out what an embryo (note: embryo. Not even considered a fetus yet.) looks like at 6 weeks: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Human_Embryo.JPG/200px-Human_Embryo.JPG
That you can get breast cancer from abortion. Entirely false, no connection.
And then she accuses the clinic across the street of not being “neutral”? For giving accurate, peer-reviewed medically sound advice.
People are entitled to correct information in order for them to make a decision for themselves. You cannot feed people false information so they agree with you. The fact that they need to resort to this puts so many holes in their case. And this false info is commonplace – that abortions lead to breast cancer, playing videotapes of false ultrasounds, lying about risk & complication rates. And none of these people are actual health care professionals – they are in no place to be communicating medical information to people. It’s absurd. And the way she goes about whispering about the patients with the staff, relaying her judgments? It’s so unprofessional.
If these people want to reduce the number of abortions, they should be rooting for MORE birth control and comprehensive sex education. But these are the same people advocating abstinence-only programs statistically shown to INCREASE the rates of teen pregnancy and sti’s. Congratulations, you’ve got yourself a man-made paradox. It’s ludicrous the damage pro-lifers are doing. I respect your beliefs, but not your irrational and dangerous tactics.
Here’s a few facts for you:
– You are more likely to experience death, complications or loss of fertility by giving birth than by having an abortion.
– The risks and complications associated with abortion are on par with other routine procedures.
– Most women do NOT regret their abortion. Check out this site for stories! http://www.imnotsorry.net/
The pro-lifers would have a much better argument, if they would stop with the lies and deceit. Anne was appalling.
how come people who are pro-life are also against welfare?
Exactly. Because the ultimate agenda is slavery of the poor and middle class.
Many people relate abortion to things like personal choice or religion but I don’t think it is the underlying issue. I believe it is simple. Regardless of religion, emotions, feelings,or circumstances,we all have a conscience which tells us right from wrong. Does your conscience tell you that this is right? If one does not know how to utilize their own conscience by distinguishing what is right from wrong then they should not have that freedom to decide. You are able to type this today because you were graciously given the choice of life. But what if because of circumstances such as poverty, age,etc. and feelings such as being scared or worried over reputation etc., you did not exist today? If not having enough money to support a child is the criteria for living and having a life then most of us should not be here today.
Love how even the description is biased toward the pro-abortion viewpoint. Wonder what “misinformation” is given by the pro-life groups. The preponderance of guilt, shame, and depression after having an abortion (all true). Or the “misinformation” about how it having an abortion can cause permanent damage to a woman’s body (also true.)
Not true. The abortion pill causes a miscarriage which over 50% of pregnancies end in anyway without a woman even being aware of it.
no like the misinformation like lying to women about how pregnant they are or telling them that they can get breast cancer from abortions or calling themselves a ‘pregnancy care center’
There is a reason women are concerned about breast cancer being linked to abortion. There were reputable studies done and then quickly covered up. For the same reasons you never heard of Kermit Gosnell, fetal organ trafficking, or w-138. I dare you to google them and be informed!
These people bring my piss to a boil. If a woman believes that she is unable to bring her child into a safe, happy and healthy environment and feels that abortion is the right decision for the well-being of the child and herself then that right to that decision is hers and no one else’s. To intimidate and judge someone on making this decision, which is already stressful and emotionally distressing enough is just plain fucking cruel.
I personally know most of the lifers in this film. I have lived in ft pierce all my life. They are the opposite of judgemental. They have helped me heal will counseling for two abortions. If they were fighting for the rights of animals u would applaud. They happen to believe that every life is not only priceless beyond measure but sacred as well. Including Yours! How can that be wrong?
I’m really appalled at how few people in the comments section are for saving these lives. I hate to use such a dramatic phrase but, what is the world coming to? It makes me sick. All of the people in this doc that choose abortion just seem like degenerate losers who choose not to own up to their decisions. They are simply afraid of the responsibility of raising a child. It’s so much easier to just kill it.
“Mary got pregnant from a kid named Tom that said he was in love. He said don’t worry about a thing baby doll, I’m the man you’ve been dreaming of…..
But 3 months later he say he won’t date her or return her calls and she swears God damn if I find that man I’m cutting off his balls.
As she heads for the clinic she gets some static walking through the door. They call her a killer, and they call her a sinner and they call her a whore.
God forbid you ever had to walk a mile in her shoes….. Cause then you really might know what it’s like to have to CHOOSE !!
~Everlast
How could the best decision for the child possibly be to eliminate any chance it has at life? that’s ignorant and just plain fucking stupid, moron.
I’m so glad I don’t live in America!!! Those pro life twats scare me, because they are just unspeakably stupid. You can’t debate with stupid. And what’s with the sign ‘a womens world kills children!’ You’d rather wait for them to grow up so you can kill them? SICKO’S
Exactly. Because the biggest threat to women’s lives is, statistically, men.
I’m so glad I don’t live in America!!! Those pro life twats scare me, because they are just unspeakably stupid. You can’t debate with stupid. And what’s with the sign ‘a womens world kills children!’ You’d rather wait for them to grow up so you can kill them? SICKO’S
We agree on one thing- I’m glad you don’t live in America too. Last thing we need is another liberal idiot who thinks the best society is the one who eliminates its weak.
If pro-lifers have anything to say, they should be speaking on this issue:
CBSnews Feb 11, 2009
…. The discovery last week of 28 baby girls, none older than 3 months, packed in nylon tote bags aboard a long-distance bus in southern China was a striking example of the trade but far from unusual, Chinese officials and experts in family issues say….
I am pro choice, simple fact is no one can dictate wants over needs on an individual basis. I wanted a baby, but the baby needs food, shelter & parents who are prepared. I couldn’t provide that, so I had a “natural” abortion. I had contractions, felt the pain, went through depression, disbelief and am the only person who has to deal with my decision. It’s NO ONE elses business. When I am prepared to have a child, that will be the day that special spirit will find me again.
Ps- condoms break
Some Chinese Mothers have the baby girl for the purpose of selling her. They ARE woman right, in charge of their own reproduction. If they kill it or sell it, isnt it the same argument? Women can do what they want with their bodies. When can we draw the line about whats right and wrong?
Also, just like the girl at the end of this movie, if I had THAT much pressure from random people right there as I was making the decision, I don’t know if I could of gone through with it either. I was already a mess, it just wasn’t the right time.
My disbelief is in all the people putting this on God & Jesus. It shouldn’t be about religion, and women ARE in charge of their bodies. Times have changed. My disbelief is also on all those people who make promises to the mother about “we’ll pay your food, rent, clothes etc” but earlier said “oh no, we don’t go on their property”, as someone is yelling things right AT the window. I just shake my head at people.
Like the blonde woman THANKFULLY (congratulations to you) said, the bible states “thou shall not judge” (I’m spiritual so don’t know the actual words from the bible), so WHY is it ok to judge everyone BUT those who share the same beliefs!
If pro-lifers have anything to say, they should be speaking on this issue:
CBSnews Feb 11, 2009
…. The discovery last week of 28 baby girls, none older than 3 months, packed in nylon tote bags aboard a long-distance bus in southern China was a striking example of the trade but far from unusual, Chinese officials and experts in family issues say….
I am pro choice, simple fact is no one can dictate wants over needs on an individual basis. I wanted a baby, but the baby needs food, shelter & parents who are prepared. I couldn’t provide that, so I had a “natural” abortion. I had contractions, felt the pain, went through depression, disbelief and am the only person who has to deal with my decision. It’s NO ONE elses business. When I am prepared to have a child, that will be the day that special spirit will find me again.
Ps- condoms break
If pro-lifers have anything to say, they should be speaking on this issue:
CBSnews Feb 11, 2009
…. The discovery last week of 28 baby girls, none older than 3 months, packed in nylon tote bags aboard a long-distance bus in southern China was a striking example of the trade but far from unusual, Chinese officials and experts in family issues say….
I am pro choice, simple fact is no one can dictate wants over needs on an individual basis. I wanted a baby, but the baby needs food, shelter & parents who are prepared. I couldn’t provide that, so I had a “natural” abortion. I had contractions, felt the pain, went through depression, disbelief and am the only person who has to deal with my decision. It’s NO ONE elses business. When I am prepared to have a child, that will be the day that special spirit will find me again.
Ps- condoms break
The conversation needs to change from pro-choice and pro-life to how we can reduce the need for abortions. Sexual education is our best defense. Boys and girls need to be EDUCATED about their bodies, and sexual practices at the appropriate ages. Children that are properly educated grow into adults that practice safe sex. In regards to the statistics and information given from the pro-life clinic… you can always find statistics to prove your point. But in good research studies and when talking to educated professionals, you’ll find that condoms are 100% effective if used consistently and properly. The majority of women that receive abortions are NOT depressed, and do not regret their decision.
Planned parenthood is teaching sex education in our public school system to elementary children! That is complete with learning sexual positions. Hmmm..and they will also provide the abortions for them in just a few short years.
The conversation needs to change from pro-choice and pro-life to how we can reduce the need for abortions. Sexual education is our best defense. Boys and girls need to be EDUCATED about their bodies, and sexual practices at the appropriate ages. Children that are properly educated grow into adults that practice safe sex. In regards to the statistics and information given from the pro-life clinic… you can always find statistics to prove your point. But in good research studies and when talking to educated professionals, you’ll find that condoms are 100% effective if used consistently and properly. The majority of women that receive abortions are NOT depressed, and do not regret their decision.
Your information is wrong. 90%of us regret our abortions. So much so that there is a name for the symptoms. Post abortive syndrome or PAS. PsychologIst around the nation are treating women who in some cases have survivors guilt and commit suicide. Not to mention the heartbroken Fathers that dont feel they had a right to protect their fragile baby from the assassin
Everything you’ve said on this page is completely false and has proven to be false over and over and over again. I notice that not ONCE have you shown any proof to back up your claims(and pr5oof that’s not from a biased pro-life website). PAS doesn’t exist. 90 % of people regret their abortions? Where’s the studies to back up this number? ‘heartbroken father’s that don’t feel they had a right to protect their fragile baby from the assassin.’ JFC, talk about manipulative bullshit right there. You are so fucking over the top and complete with misinformation. You’re just as bad as the pro-lifers in this documentary, if not worse.
Maybe she should have said that any decent human being regrets their abortion. Of course there are callous degenerates who will just move without even thinking twice.
The conversation needs to change from pro-choice and pro-life to how we can reduce the need for abortions. Sexual education is our best defense. Boys and girls need to be EDUCATED about their bodies, and sexual practices at the appropriate ages. Children that are properly educated grow into adults that practice safe sex. In regards to the statistics and information given from the pro-life clinic… you can always find statistics to prove your point. But in good research studies and when talking to educated professionals, you’ll find that condoms are 100% effective if used consistently and properly. The majority of women that receive abortions are NOT depressed, and do not regret their decision.
#1 lesson in sex education also printed on the condom boxes:
Condoms do NOT protect against H.I.V pregnancy, and many other STDs like herpes. Be informed. Please dont pass along false info. The only true protection is not taking the risk!
All YOU’VE done on this page is pass along false info.
I respectfully disagree with your assertion that “you can always find statistics to prove your point. But in good research studies…” Statistics don’t prove anything. There’s a difference between evidence and proof. The fact that so many people confuse the two so often is a glaring example of how the education system is failing to teach us the most rudimentary scientific principal’s. Now please don’t think that I’m belittling your intelligence, much smarter people than me make the same mistake all the time.
Unfortunately the idea of science with responsible peer review and publishing the methods of testing is sadly becoming more of an ideal than a rule. Example; a hot button issue right now is global warming. The IPCC has at length tryed to sidestep/manipulate the peer review process whenever possible and has flatly refused to publish the methods of testing for some of its data. Some hackers even broke into the university’s that conduct research for the IPCC and stole email’s between researchers who were talking about using various “tricks” to manipulate data into showing a warming trend. (Google; Climategate)
Science is becoming more like a religion. Science is supposed to adhere to the scientific method but since so few people even know what that is anymore, the truth gets distorted. Sorry about my tirade, but this is an important facet that affect’s more than just the abortion issue, and is the reason people aren’t sure what what to believe in regard to the study’s.
The way the pro-lifers behaved was shameful. What gives them the right, to judge, controll and harrass people. The woman at the end made me so sad. They bribed her away with false promises of solving all her problems. I cant help but think that her other kids will suffer for this. She went for an abortion and came back with a stuffed animal.
My brother was killed by abortion. I suffer the thought of his life being lost. I think the kids will agree, brothers life is more important than more $
Do you say this to your mother’s face? How fucking dare you make her abortion all about you. ‘pro-life’ indeed.
Religious fanatics are a curse on our world.
yes, because the world has gotten so much better since the Godless fools have taken over…
I agree. Things were much better during the dark ages and the inquisition. Your a credit to your faith.
WTF when did godless fools take over? What Godless Fools? I don’t know of any running a country.. you have to be religious in others eyes or you get looked down upon for having no morals..
WTF when did godless fools take over? What Godless Fools? I don’t know of any running a country.. you have to be religious in others eyes or you get looked down upon for having no morals..
The problem isn’t godless fools, the problem is fools using God, or any ‘higher power’ to justify bullshit wars, the slaughter of innocent people, and taking money from the pockets of people who really need it.
I was told aborted babies go to heaven. Well, heaven sounds a lot better than a family who hates me or can’t provide me enough food to live, let alone a shot at a successful, self-fulfilling life without all of the added baggage of growing up in a broken home.
Seems to me that people need to stop telling me how to save my soul, and focus on how to help people in this life, where we don’t have any illusions about how it will pan out.
The problem isn’t godless fools, the problem is fools using God, or any ‘higher power’ to justify bullshit wars, the slaughter of innocent people, and taking money from the pockets of people who really need it.
I was told aborted babies go to heaven. Well, heaven sounds a lot better than a family who hates me or can’t provide me enough food to live, let alone a shot at a successful, self-fulfilling life without all of the added baggage of growing up in a broken home.
Seems to me that people need to stop telling me how to save my soul, and focus on how to help people in this life, where we don’t have any illusions about how it will pan out.
The problem isn’t godless fools, the problem is fools using God, or any ‘higher power’ to justify bullshit wars, the slaughter of innocent people, and taking money from the pockets of people who really need it.
I was told aborted babies go to heaven. Well, heaven sounds a lot better than a family who hates me or can’t provide me enough food to live, let alone a shot at a successful, self-fulfilling life without all of the added baggage of growing up in a broken home.
Seems to me that people need to stop telling me how to save my soul, and focus on how to help people in this life, where we don’t have any illusions about how it will pan out.
that pro-life lady is the most evil lady on earth.
The strange thing is that, even though I completely disagree with her stance and every manipulative and cruel trick in the book she uses, her way of speaking to the girls would, in a totally different environment, make her a damn good counsellor. Its a pity she’s chosen to hone these skills to feed warped information to vulnerable women rather than to actually help people.
The strange thing is that, even though I completely disagree with her stance and every manipulative and cruel trick in the book she uses, her way of speaking to the girls would, in a totally different environment, make her a damn good counsellor. Its a pity she’s chosen to hone these skills to feed warped information to vulnerable women rather than to actually help people.
that pro-life lady is the most evil lady on earth.
yeah, lets keep forcing christianity values down women’s throats, and into the legislative system. america has established a separation of church and state, so let’s keep it that way. you can freely practice your own religious views and what not, but you should not make others feel guilty with “God gave you this baby”. Pro-life people cannot use “God’s actions” to support anti-abortional views.
btw…
In Europe, people fled to America to get away from the monarchy forcing them to practice a certain religion. Let’s not repeat their mistakes.
This ‘issue’ has been made controversial and confrontational for one simple reason: interference in the natural process of life and death within the personal human experience. Before the medical professional pirated human life and death through the instrument of ‘science’, women in harmony or opposition to her family and extended family/community excercised her innate wisdom and judgement in these private matters. It is a fair assumption that pro-life would be the dominant consensus and that natural abortificants were known and applied otherwise. BigPharma and their whoring legislators and employees have absolutely no lawful right to interfere, thus over time, ‘cornering the market’ in the profit of death for the purposes of depopulation. And no one has the right to impose an opinion on that woman under today’s genocidal system of limited choice; neither professionals nor individuals.
Were you a crack baby?
When I saw the title I was like “Delaware!? I live there.” Then I saw it had nothing to do with Delaware, so I didn’t watch it, lol.
lol Retard. Learn to read.
stupid ass
Fuck you bitch
I’ve seen what poverty and uneducated people can do to a child. Trust me, there are many things in this world that are worse then not being born.
what a ridiculous comment. non-existence is absolutely the worst thing that can happen to someone.
What a load of bunk. Do you have any evidence that not existing is so bad Radiouman? Didn’t think so!
Non-existence cannot be the worst thing to happen someone because it can’t happen to a person that doesn’t exist to begin with. A torturous existence on the other hand is very real and can result from being born into a situation that is not in accord with the no longer theoretical persons needs.
Non-existence cannot be the worst thing to happen someone because it can’t happen to a person that doesn’t exist to begin with. A torturous existence on the other hand is very real and can result from being born into a situation that is not in accord with the no longer theoretical persons needs.
Disagree.
Disagree.
What is wrong with Pro-Life people? Women have choices and these idiots need to understand that.
What is wrong with Pro-Life people? Women have choices and these idiots need to understand that.
What is wrong with Pro-Life people? Women have choices and these idiots need to understand that.
What’s wrong with pro-life people is we think all life is sacred- and that a beating heart means there’s life. It’s not a woman’s body- it’s a life inside a woman’s body. The whole “we don’t need more poor and uneducated children” is the most racist argument in the world. This is absolutely decimating the African American community disproportionately. Check yourself “progressive thinker”.
Most racist argument my ass. White women are the highest number of women that get abortions. And we don’t need more unwanted children. Get a grip on reality. A fetus is nothing more than a parasite living off of a woman until such time it is viable, usually around 24 weeks. Roe vs. Wade is there for a reason. Don’t really care what your “beliefs” are….women have a right to decide what to do. Babies are not a punishment for sex so stop perpetuating that ideology. Idiot.
Until the life is capable of supporting itself outside the womb it is actually a part of the woman.
Alex, please read a college text book. It will tell you otherwise. Life begins at conception. The baby, from the beginning, is a separate and distinct human being. He or she has its own set of DNA.
Human Life and when it begins is not subjective. It’s objective. Via science.
KB, you yourself need to read a college textbook. DNA does not define a distinct and living human being. DNA is simply the blueprint for the POTENTIAL being, not the tell-tale sign that there is life. Cancer technically has it’s own DNA, so therefore by your argument, we should not try to rid ourselves of that. There is no scientific definition at which life begins, and if you had gone past General Biology 101, you would know that.
Until the life is capable of supporting itself outside the womb it is actually a part of the woman.
What’s wrong with pro-life people is we think all life is sacred- and that a beating heart means there’s life. It’s not a woman’s body- it’s a life inside a woman’s body. The whole “we don’t need more poor and uneducated children” is the most racist argument in the world. This is absolutely decimating the African American community disproportionately. Check yourself “progressive thinker”.
What’s wrong with pro-life people is we think all life is sacred- and that a beating heart means there’s life. It’s not a woman’s body- it’s a life inside a woman’s body. The whole “we don’t need more poor and uneducated children” is the most racist argument in the world. This is absolutely decimating the African American community disproportionately. Check yourself “progressive thinker”.
They would say that murder should not be a choice.
I don’t necessarily agree with their take on abortion, but your comment was boneheaded.