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The two sides of the abortion debate in America literally face one another in this documentary from filmmakers Heidi Ewing and Rachel Grady. In Fort Pierce, Florida, a women’s heath care center is located at the corner of 12th and Delaware. On the same corner, across the street, is another women’s heath care center. However, the two centers are not in the same business; one provides abortions along with a variety of other health services, while the other primarily offers counseling to women considering abortion, urging them to keep their babies. In 12th and Delaware, Ewing and Grady offer a look inside both offices, as pro-life counselors give women a mixture of concern and disinformation about terminating their pregnancies and the pro-choice medical staff struggles to work under the frequent threat of violence against them. The film also examines the handful of protesters who stand outside the abortion clinic, confronting both patients and staff as they enter and exit.

12th and Delaware, 8.6 out of 10 based on 15 ratings

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  • Anonymous

    What is wrong with Pro-Life people? Women have choices and these idiots need to understand that.

  • Anonymous

    What is wrong with Pro-Life people? Women have choices and these idiots need to understand that.

    • Mitch

      They would say that murder should not be a choice.

      I don’t necessarily agree with their take on abortion, but your comment was boneheaded.

    • Radiouman

      What’s wrong with pro-life people is we think all life is sacred- and that a beating heart means there’s life. It’s not a woman’s body- it’s a life inside a woman’s body. The whole “we don’t need more poor and uneducated children” is the most racist argument in the world. This is absolutely decimating the African American community disproportionately. Check yourself “progressive thinker”. 

      • Alex

        Until the life is capable of supporting itself outside the womb it is actually a part of the woman.

      • Alex

        Until the life is capable of supporting itself outside the womb it is actually a part of the woman.

        • KB

          Alex, please read a college text book. It will tell you otherwise. Life begins at conception. The baby, from the beginning, is a separate and distinct human being. He or she has its own set of DNA.

          Human Life and when it begins is not subjective. It’s objective. Via science.

          • KH

            KB, you yourself need to read a college textbook. DNA does not define a distinct and living human being. DNA is simply the blueprint for the POTENTIAL being, not the tell-tale sign that there is life. Cancer technically has it’s own DNA, so therefore by your argument, we should not try to rid ourselves of that. There is no scientific definition at which life begins, and if you had gone past General Biology 101, you would know that.

      • Tonya

        Most racist argument my ass. White women are the highest number of women that get abortions. And we don’t need more unwanted children. Get a grip on reality. A fetus is nothing more than a parasite living off of a woman until such time it is viable, usually around 24 weeks. Roe vs. Wade is there for a reason. Don’t really care what your “beliefs” are….women have a right to decide what to do. Babies are not a punishment for sex so stop perpetuating that ideology. Idiot.

    • Radiouman

      What’s wrong with pro-life people is we think all life is sacred- and that a beating heart means there’s life. It’s not a woman’s body- it’s a life inside a woman’s body. The whole “we don’t need more poor and uneducated children” is the most racist argument in the world. This is absolutely decimating the African American community disproportionately. Check yourself “progressive thinker”. 

    • Radiouman

      What’s wrong with pro-life people is we think all life is sacred- and that a beating heart means there’s life. It’s not a woman’s body- it’s a life inside a woman’s body. The whole “we don’t need more poor and uneducated children” is the most racist argument in the world. This is absolutely decimating the African American community disproportionately. Check yourself “progressive thinker”. 

  • Anonymous

    What is wrong with Pro-Life people? Women have choices and these idiots need to understand that.

  • FembotCosmonaut

    I’ve seen what poverty and uneducated people can do to a child. Trust me, there are many things in this world that are worse then not being born.

    • Radiouman

      what a ridiculous comment. non-existence is absolutely the worst thing that can happen to someone.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Madelene-Cyr/100000314560760 Madelene Cyr

        Disagree. 

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Madelene-Cyr/100000314560760 Madelene Cyr

        Disagree. 

      • Alex

        Non-existence cannot be the worst thing to happen someone because it can’t happen to a person that doesn’t exist to begin with. A torturous existence on the other hand is very real and can result from being born into a situation that is not in accord with the no longer theoretical persons needs. 

      • Alex

        Non-existence cannot be the worst thing to happen someone because it can’t happen to a person that doesn’t exist to begin with. A torturous existence on the other hand is very real and can result from being born into a situation that is not in accord with the no longer theoretical persons needs. 

      • Anonymous

        What a load of bunk. Do you have any evidence that not existing is so bad Radiouman? Didn’t think so!

  • Anonymous

    When I saw the title I was like “Delaware!? I live there.” Then I saw it had nothing to do with Delaware, so I didn’t watch it, lol.

    • anonymous

      stupid ass

      • Anonymous

        Fuck you bitch

  • Anonymous

    This ‘issue’ has been made controversial and confrontational for one simple reason: interference in the natural process of life and death within the personal human experience. Before the medical professional pirated human life and death through the instrument of ‘science’, women in harmony or opposition to her family and extended family/community excercised her innate wisdom and judgement in these private matters. It is a fair assumption that pro-life would be the dominant consensus and that natural abortificants were known and applied otherwise. BigPharma and their whoring legislators and employees have absolutely no lawful right to interfere, thus over time, ‘cornering the market’ in the profit of death for the purposes of depopulation. And no one has the right to impose an opinion on that woman under today’s genocidal system of limited choice; neither professionals nor individuals.  

    • Lord Xenu

        Were you a crack baby?

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  • Guest

    yeah, lets keep forcing christianity values down women’s throats, and into the legislative system. america has established a separation of church and state, so let’s keep it that way. you can freely practice your own religious views and what not, but you should not make others feel guilty with “God gave you this baby”. Pro-life people cannot use “God’s actions” to support anti-abortional views. 
    btw…
    In Europe, people fled to America to get away from the monarchy forcing them to practice a certain religion. Let’s not repeat their mistakes.

  • Ab

    that pro-life lady is the most evil lady on earth.

  • Ab

    that pro-life lady is the most evil lady on earth.

    • Liesl

      The strange thing is that, even though I completely disagree with her stance and every manipulative and cruel trick in the book she uses, her way of speaking to the girls would, in a totally different environment, make her a damn good counsellor.  Its a pity she’s chosen to hone these skills to feed warped information to vulnerable women rather than to actually help people.

    • Liesl

      The strange thing is that, even though I completely disagree with her stance and every manipulative and cruel trick in the book she uses, her way of speaking to the girls would, in a totally different environment, make her a damn good counsellor.  Its a pity she’s chosen to hone these skills to feed warped information to vulnerable women rather than to actually help people.

  • Guest

    Religious fanatics are a curse on our world. 

    • Radiouman

      yes, because the world has gotten so much better since the Godless fools have taken over…

      • Paige

        The problem isn’t godless fools, the problem is fools using God, or any ‘higher power’ to justify bullshit wars, the slaughter of innocent people, and taking money from the pockets of people who really need it.

        I was told aborted babies go to heaven. Well, heaven sounds a lot better than a family who hates me or can’t provide me enough food to live, let alone a shot at a successful, self-fulfilling life without all of the added baggage of growing up in a broken home.

        Seems to me that people need to stop telling me how to save my soul, and focus on how to help people in this life, where we don’t have any illusions about how it will pan out.

      • Paige

        The problem isn’t godless fools, the problem is fools using God, or any ‘higher power’ to justify bullshit wars, the slaughter of innocent people, and taking money from the pockets of people who really need it.

        I was told aborted babies go to heaven. Well, heaven sounds a lot better than a family who hates me or can’t provide me enough food to live, let alone a shot at a successful, self-fulfilling life without all of the added baggage of growing up in a broken home.

        Seems to me that people need to stop telling me how to save my soul, and focus on how to help people in this life, where we don’t have any illusions about how it will pan out.

      • Paige

        The problem isn’t godless fools, the problem is fools using God, or any ‘higher power’ to justify bullshit wars, the slaughter of innocent people, and taking money from the pockets of people who really need it.

        I was told aborted babies go to heaven. Well, heaven sounds a lot better than a family who hates me or can’t provide me enough food to live, let alone a shot at a successful, self-fulfilling life without all of the added baggage of growing up in a broken home.

        Seems to me that people need to stop telling me how to save my soul, and focus on how to help people in this life, where we don’t have any illusions about how it will pan out.

      • Lord Xenu

         I agree. Things were much better during the dark ages and the inquisition. Your a credit to your faith.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000547915805 Laura Ashley May

          WTF when did godless fools take over? What Godless Fools? I don’t know of any running a country.. you have to be religious in others eyes or you get looked down upon for having no morals..

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000547915805 Laura Ashley May

          WTF when did godless fools take over? What Godless Fools? I don’t know of any running a country.. you have to be religious in others eyes or you get looked down upon for having no morals..

  • Guest

    The way the pro-lifers behaved was shameful. What gives them the right, to judge, controll and harrass people. The woman at the end made me so sad. They bribed her away with false promises of solving all her problems. I cant help but think that her other kids will suffer for this. She went for an abortion and came back with a stuffed animal.

  • Lane

    The conversation needs to change from pro-choice and pro-life to how we can reduce the need for abortions. Sexual education is our best defense. Boys and girls need to be EDUCATED about their bodies, and sexual practices at the appropriate ages. Children that are properly educated grow into adults that practice safe sex. In regards to the statistics and information given from the pro-life clinic… you can always find statistics to prove your point. But in good research studies and when talking to educated professionals, you’ll find that condoms are 100% effective if used consistently and properly. The majority of women that receive abortions are NOT depressed, and do not regret their decision.

  • Lane

    The conversation needs to change from pro-choice and pro-life to how we can reduce the need for abortions. Sexual education is our best defense. Boys and girls need to be EDUCATED about their bodies, and sexual practices at the appropriate ages. Children that are properly educated grow into adults that practice safe sex. In regards to the statistics and information given from the pro-life clinic… you can always find statistics to prove your point. But in good research studies and when talking to educated professionals, you’ll find that condoms are 100% effective if used consistently and properly. The majority of women that receive abortions are NOT depressed, and do not regret their decision.

  • Lane

    The conversation needs to change from pro-choice and pro-life to how we can reduce the need for abortions. Sexual education is our best defense. Boys and girls need to be EDUCATED about their bodies, and sexual practices at the appropriate ages. Children that are properly educated grow into adults that practice safe sex. In regards to the statistics and information given from the pro-life clinic… you can always find statistics to prove your point. But in good research studies and when talking to educated professionals, you’ll find that condoms are 100% effective if used consistently and properly. The majority of women that receive abortions are NOT depressed, and do not regret their decision.

    • Lord Xenu

       I respectfully disagree with your assertion that “you can always find statistics to prove your point. But in good research studies…” Statistics don’t prove anything. There’s a difference between evidence and proof. The fact that so many people confuse the two so often is a glaring example of how the education system is failing to teach us the most rudimentary scientific principal’s. Now please don’t think that I’m belittling your intelligence, much smarter people than me make the same mistake all the time.

       Unfortunately the idea of science with responsible peer review and publishing the methods of testing is sadly becoming more of an ideal than a rule. Example; a hot button issue right now is global warming. The IPCC has at length tryed to sidestep/manipulate the peer review process whenever possible and has flatly refused to publish the methods of testing for some of its data. Some hackers even broke into the university’s that conduct research for the IPCC and stole email’s between researchers who were talking about using various “tricks” to manipulate data into showing a warming trend. (Google; Climategate)

       Science is becoming more like a religion. Science is supposed to adhere to the scientific method but since so few people even know what that is anymore, the truth gets distorted. Sorry about my tirade, but this is an important facet that affect’s more than just the abortion issue, and is the reason people aren’t sure what what to believe in regard to the study’s.

  • Jessi982

    If pro-lifers have anything to say, they should be speaking on this issue:

    CBSnews Feb 11, 2009
    …. The discovery last week of 28 baby girls, none older than 3 months, packed in nylon tote bags aboard a long-distance bus in southern China was a striking example of the trade but far from unusual, Chinese officials and experts in family issues say….

    I am pro choice, simple fact is no one can dictate wants over needs on an individual basis. I wanted a baby, but the baby needs food, shelter & parents who are prepared. I couldn’t provide that, so I had a “natural” abortion. I had contractions, felt the pain, went through depression, disbelief and am the only person who has to deal with my decision. It’s NO ONE elses business. When I am prepared to have a child, that will be the day that special spirit will find me again.

    Ps- condoms break

    • Jessi982

      Also, just like the girl at the end of this movie, if I had THAT much pressure from random people right there as I was making the decision, I don’t know if I could of gone through with it either. I was already a mess, it just wasn’t the right time.

      My disbelief is in all the people putting this on God & Jesus. It shouldn’t be about religion, and women ARE in charge of their bodies. Times have changed. My disbelief is also on all those people who make promises to the mother about “we’ll pay your food, rent, clothes etc” but earlier said “oh no, we don’t go on their property”, as someone is yelling things right AT the window. I just shake my head at people.

      Like the blonde woman THANKFULLY (congratulations to you) said, the bible states “thou shall not judge” (I’m spiritual so don’t know the actual words from the bible), so WHY is it  ok to judge everyone BUT those who share the same beliefs!

  • Jessi982

    If pro-lifers have anything to say, they should be speaking on this issue:

    CBSnews Feb 11, 2009
    …. The discovery last week of 28 baby girls, none older than 3 months, packed in nylon tote bags aboard a long-distance bus in southern China was a striking example of the trade but far from unusual, Chinese officials and experts in family issues say….

    I am pro choice, simple fact is no one can dictate wants over needs on an individual basis. I wanted a baby, but the baby needs food, shelter & parents who are prepared. I couldn’t provide that, so I had a “natural” abortion. I had contractions, felt the pain, went through depression, disbelief and am the only person who has to deal with my decision. It’s NO ONE elses business. When I am prepared to have a child, that will be the day that special spirit will find me again.

    Ps- condoms break

  • Jessi982

    If pro-lifers have anything to say, they should be speaking on this issue:

    CBSnews Feb 11, 2009
    …. The discovery last week of 28 baby girls, none older than 3 months, packed in nylon tote bags aboard a long-distance bus in southern China was a striking example of the trade but far from unusual, Chinese officials and experts in family issues say….

    I am pro choice, simple fact is no one can dictate wants over needs on an individual basis. I wanted a baby, but the baby needs food, shelter & parents who are prepared. I couldn’t provide that, so I had a “natural” abortion. I had contractions, felt the pain, went through depression, disbelief and am the only person who has to deal with my decision. It’s NO ONE elses business. When I am prepared to have a child, that will be the day that special spirit will find me again.

    Ps- condoms break

  • Iortheil

    I’m so glad I don’t live in America!!! Those pro life twats scare me, because they are just unspeakably stupid. You can’t debate with stupid. And what’s with the sign ‘a womens world kills children!’ You’d rather wait for them to grow up so you can kill them? SICKO’S

  • Iortheil

    I’m so glad I don’t live in America!!! Those pro life twats scare me, because they are just unspeakably stupid. You can’t debate with stupid. And what’s with the sign ‘a womens world kills children!’ You’d rather wait for them to grow up so you can kill them? SICKO’S

    • Lortheilmoron

      We agree on one thing- I’m glad you don’t live in America too. Last thing we need is another liberal idiot who thinks the best society is the one who eliminates its weak.

  • Guest

    These people bring my piss to a boil. If a woman believes that she is unable to bring her child into a safe, happy and healthy environment and feels that abortion is the right decision for the well-being of the child and herself then that right to that decision is hers and no one else’s. To intimidate and judge someone on making this decision, which is already stressful and emotionally distressing enough is just plain fucking cruel.

    • Uradumbass

      How could the best decision for the child possibly be to eliminate any chance it has at life? that’s ignorant and just plain fucking stupid, moron.

  • Radiouman

    Love how even the description is biased toward the pro-abortion viewpoint. Wonder what “misinformation” is given by the pro-life groups. The preponderance of guilt, shame, and depression after  having an abortion (all true). Or the “misinformation” about how it having an abortion can cause permanent damage to a woman’s body (also true.)

    • anonymous

      no like the misinformation like lying to women about how pregnant they are or telling them that they can get breast cancer from abortions or calling themselves a ‘pregnancy care center’

  • Anonymous

    Many people relate abortion to things like personal choice or  religion but I don’t think it is the underlying issue. I believe it is simple. Regardless of religion, emotions, feelings,or circumstances,we all have a conscience which tells us right from wrong. Does your conscience tell you that this is right? If one does not know how to utilize their own conscience by distinguishing what is right from wrong then they should not have that freedom to decide. You are able to type this today because you were graciously given the choice of life. But what if because of circumstances such as poverty, age,etc. and feelings such as being scared or worried over reputation etc., you did not exist today? If not having enough money to support a child is the criteria for living and having a life then most of us should not be here today. 

  • anonymous

    how come people who are pro-life are also against welfare?

  • Anonymous

    The pro-lifers would have a much better argument, if they would stop with the lies and deceit.  Anne was appalling. 

  • mw

    People are entitled to their opinions, but what these “Pregnancy Counseling Centres” are doing is incredibly inethical. They peddles so much misinformation that you can see in this film. For example, the staff keeps telling them fetuses “grow so fast, they double in size every week”

    Wrong, wrong, wrong. Week 7 – 9 mm, Week 8 – 13 mm, Week 9 – 18 mm. Not. Doubling. And they don’t look like fully formed miniature babies, check out what an embryo (note: embryo. Not even considered a fetus yet.) looks like at 6 weeks: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Human_Embryo.JPG/200px-Human_Embryo.JPG

    That you can get breast cancer from abortion. Entirely false, no connection.

    And then she accuses the clinic across the street of not being “neutral”? For giving accurate, peer-reviewed medically sound advice.

    People are entitled to correct information in order for them to make a decision for themselves. You cannot feed people false information so they agree with you. The fact that they need to resort to this puts so many holes in their case. And this false info is commonplace – that abortions lead to breast cancer, playing videotapes of false ultrasounds, lying about risk & complication rates. And none of these people are actual health care professionals – they are in no place to be communicating medical information to people. It’s absurd. And the way she goes about whispering about the patients with the staff, relaying her judgments? It’s so unprofessional.

    If these people want to reduce the number of abortions, they should be rooting for MORE birth control and comprehensive sex education. But these are the same people advocating abstinence-only programs statistically shown to INCREASE the rates of teen pregnancy and sti’s. Congratulations, you’ve got yourself a man-made paradox. It’s ludicrous the damage pro-lifers are doing. I respect your beliefs, but not your irrational and dangerous tactics.

    Here’s a few facts for you:
    - You are more likely to experience death, complications or loss of fertility by giving birth than by having an abortion.
    - The risks and complications associated with abortion are on par with other routine procedures.
    - Most women do NOT regret their abortion. Check out this site for stories! http://www.imnotsorry.net/

  • mw

    People are entitled to their opinions, but what these “Pregnancy Counseling Centres” are doing is incredibly inethical. They peddles so much misinformation that you can see in this film. For example, the staff keeps telling them fetuses “grow so fast, they double in size every week”

    Wrong, wrong, wrong. Week 7 – 9 mm, Week 8 – 13 mm, Week 9 – 18 mm. Not. Doubling. And they don’t look like fully formed miniature babies, check out what an embryo (note: embryo. Not even considered a fetus yet.) looks like at 6 weeks: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Human_Embryo.JPG/200px-Human_Embryo.JPG

    That you can get breast cancer from abortion. Entirely false, no connection.

    And then she accuses the clinic across the street of not being “neutral”? For giving accurate, peer-reviewed medically sound advice.

    People are entitled to correct information in order for them to make a decision for themselves. You cannot feed people false information so they agree with you. The fact that they need to resort to this puts so many holes in their case. And this false info is commonplace – that abortions lead to breast cancer, playing videotapes of false ultrasounds, lying about risk & complication rates. And none of these people are actual health care professionals – they are in no place to be communicating medical information to people. It’s absurd. And the way she goes about whispering about the patients with the staff, relaying her judgments? It’s so unprofessional.

    If these people want to reduce the number of abortions, they should be rooting for MORE birth control and comprehensive sex education. But these are the same people advocating abstinence-only programs statistically shown to INCREASE the rates of teen pregnancy and sti’s. Congratulations, you’ve got yourself a man-made paradox. It’s ludicrous the damage pro-lifers are doing. I respect your beliefs, but not your irrational and dangerous tactics.

    Here’s a few facts for you:
    - You are more likely to experience death, complications or loss of fertility by giving birth than by having an abortion.
    - The risks and complications associated with abortion are on par with other routine procedures.
    - Most women do NOT regret their abortion. Check out this site for stories! http://www.imnotsorry.net/

  • Effik

    man… if there was just a simple answer.
    but the fudging of the dates to make it to late to get an abortion within a certain state??? man that is hard core… i mean killing doctors and what not too…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4LF5NMECNSJBQKOSIWD6MPHBOU Dracu,

    Here is something to think about if you are “pro-life” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decre%C5%A3ei 

  • Chatoyant7

    I cannot believe this woman is encouraging women, who admit they come from abusive homes, to still have children because it might “change” these men… And that is not considered “wrong”?

    I cannot understand how these religious fanatics make the choice to badger these poor young women, when there are so many important causes they could be directing their money and time to… What about forced prostitution in the U.S.? Poverty? Lack of education? Etc. Etc…

  • hs

    Oh come on… First she feeds a pregnant woman McDonalds and then she tells her that a baby might “change” her abusive boyfriend?? What kind of advice is that? The deception and the false information that they give these vulnerable, scared women just makes my blood boil. 

  • Anonymous

    50% of pregnancies end in natural miscarriage. God is the worst abortionist there is!

  • Steef

    Of course, life begins at conception and it’s pointless to argue otherwise- but consciousness does not. Without consciousness a fetus does not have the knowledge of life that it would be missing out on if it is aborted. It is conscious-less, as evidenced by the inability of any human being, ever, to remember being in utero.

    If you are comfortable arguing that a conscious-less living thing always has a right to life and not have it’s fate decided by man, then stop eating plants. or anything.

  • Tonya Martone

    I actually had an abortion at 12th and Delaware in 2001. I has severe bleeding after wards and stabbing pain. I called the clinic and they were NOT interested in helping, they told me to go to the ER. The problem was that I did not know the exact procedure done to my body, so the ER was left in the blind about how to treat me. This happens across the nation. The abortion clinics operate like third world countries when it comes to healthcare. 12th and Delaware also has 31 pages of violations including no steril suturing equipment, no crash cart or other emergency equipment, and if the ambulance comes, the hallways are not even large enough for their gurney. We are all given free will by our creator. He has also given each of us the right to life. Scripture says that His laws are written in our hearts. That’s why we are the only living creatures to even have a conscience our no right from wrong. No one would kill a child living in poverty because he is “already alive and here on earth”. So is the fetus! Btw fetus means developing child. From that point, we all continue to develop until the age of 25! at 21 days the embryo has a heart that is beating his OWN blood, often different from that of the mother’s. Science cannot prove how a new born baby has the strength to breath thru lungs full of fluid at a pressure greater than -60! It just doesn’t have the muscle or strength to take this first breath. Scripture says, God breaths the breath of life into you. key words “THE BREATH of life, because you are already alive in your mother and only need the BREATH of life when you enter the world. Job 10:10 says He guided your conception and formed you in the womb.
    I feel completely violated by a woman’s world. I was eighteen and told that my child was “not a baby yet” at 16 weeks. I urge you to look at a pre born child at 16 weeks. It looks just like “a miniature baby”. Abortion hurts women and I will not be silent about this! Btw, the man in the documentary that had his sign cut up by the producers, actually provided me the only comfort on the day of my abortion. He was there afterwards to tell me God was NOT mad at me and it was okay to grieve my child. No one else gave me that freedom to grieve. Rather, they told me it wasn’t a big deal and it was barley a baby at all. It was a baby! It was my baby and I will always be his/her mother. Everyone has to make their own choice, but NOONE should be lying to young girls only for their own profit. The crisis center doesn’t make a profit, and are doing the best they can to provide help.

  • Alex

    why can’t people just get on with their own lives?