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A short interesting documentary on the social effects of atheism and the repercussions that can come about due to the admission of being atheist in the United States.

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  • Robert Rusk1

    Bruce Lee was a Buddhist

    • Derek

      And a Lot of Buddhists are atheists…

      Most people define atheist as not theist, and they define theist as belief in a personal god.  If a Buddhist doesn’t believe in a personal god, then he/she’s an atheist.

    • Derek

      And a Lot of Buddhists are atheists…

      Most people define atheist as not theist, and they define theist as belief in a personal god.  If a Buddhist doesn’t believe in a personal god, then he/she’s an atheist.

    • Derek

      And a Lot of Buddhists are atheists…

      Most people define atheist as not theist, and they define theist as belief in a personal god.  If a Buddhist doesn’t believe in a personal god, then he/she’s an atheist.

      • Hewdfiew

        Also, there is no god in buddhism.

      • Hewdfiew

        Also, there is no god in buddhism.

      • Hewdfiew

        Also, there is no god in buddhism.

        • http://www.facebook.com/raodhammer Road Hammer

          there is…..Buddah is the prophet him self…what are you talking about Dude?

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1026687201 Kyle Worlitz

            You have no understanding of Buddhism either. They positively do not consider Buddha a god at all. Buddha talks about how he is a mere mortal etc…

        • Ed Klopfenstein

          Actually, Buddhists believe that all things are one and so if you refer to a “God” you refer to something that is separate and a creation of the mind. Buddhists consider the ultimate state of being as one of “nothing” or better “no thing” as anything that has an opposite must be a figment of the mind and not universal.

      • Hewdfiew

        Also, there is no god in buddhism.

    • Bjjfighterac

      bruce lee was not a buddhist, he studied buddhism, taoism, and other eastern philosophies. he was a free thinker, i too study these philosophies, but that doesnt mean im a part of a religion, buddhism and taoism arent even religions in the first place

    • http://www.facebook.com/raodhammer Road Hammer

      you are right. they try to say he was Godless, he believe God more then me. 

  • Isyouisorisyouaint

    Poor babies.

    • http://www.facebook.com/raodhammer Road Hammer

      poor you who need to learn so much about universe round to see God is rolling all over

  • Isyouisorisyouaint

    Poor babies.

  • Isyouisorisyouaint

    Poor babies.

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  • Craig Stowers

    far out, america needs to grow up into the 21st century. The rest of the developed world is very Atheist friendly. 

    • http://www.facebook.com/raodhammer Road Hammer

      yes especially godless country like Norway, Sweden and UK. and they are the most colonialism and argent people ever.

      • Anonymous

        That awkward moment when an American accuses other countries of being colonialist.

      • Anonymous

        That awkward moment when an American accuses other countries of being colonialist.

      • Anonymous

        That awkward moment when an American accuses other countries of being colonialist.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1026687201 Kyle Worlitz

        The Swedish are among the most imperialist countries? Norway? Unless you are talking about 8th century vikings, I’d advise you to read a book or two. Very strange assertion that only hurts your point. Better to not speak, and be thought a fool then to speak and remove all doubt.

    • N Lindemann

      All the believers’ hate comes from fear…fear that they aren’t right and fear of not knowing the answers…there’s more violence and killing in the name of the God that there is without him…I say stand up if you’re atheist.

      • Betteschneider

        Is that really true?  What are the statistics?  Was the killing of six million Jews about Christianity from Hitler?

      • Betteschneider

        Is that really true?  What are the statistics?  Was the killing of six million Jews about Christianity from Hitler?

        • Smack

          The holocaust was not the only genocide on this planet.  I’m pretty sure killing of 6million native americans had something to do with christianity.  Them being heathens and whatnot.  Even currently, the jerkoffs in americas mecenary army KBR/blackwater or whatever you want to call them are avowed crusaders against Islam.  So, yes, it is true that more violence and killing is done in the name of god than without.

          • SuperLogic

            Lets stick to reality and facts instead of running wild with your imagination.   Try reading these articles, from secular sources. 
            Christianity is the most persecuted religion in the world, and much of it done by atheists.  Atheists live in a pretty sheltered bubble in North America in particular.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians

            http://www.thestar.com/news/insight/article/901492–christianity-arguably-the-most-persecuted-religion-in-the-world

          • Smack

            That’s hilarious, stick to reality.  That’s rich…  There was nothing imaginary in what I said. Native tribes were killed because they didn’t believe in christ and KBR is a bunch of christian crusaders. Your point about christians being the most persecuted is silly and pretty petty.  Save your propaganda.  The most persecuted hahahaha, you christians sure are……..  and as far as you trying to say I’m ignorant for being an atheist “pretty sheltered in North America’…. Fk you I’m not in north america or europe.  I have more worldly experience than you and don’t need a god-crutch to be a good person.  Superlogic, more like blindedbyideology.

          • Smack

            That’s hilarious, stick to reality.  That’s rich…  There was nothing imaginary in what I said. Native tribes were killed because they didn’t believe in christ and KBR is a bunch of christian crusaders. Your point about christians being the most persecuted is silly and pretty petty.  Save your propaganda.  The most persecuted hahahaha, you christians sure are……..  and as far as you trying to say I’m ignorant for being an atheist “pretty sheltered in North America’…. Fk you I’m not in north america or europe.  I have more worldly experience than you and don’t need a god-crutch to be a good person.  Superlogic, more like blindedbyideology.

          • Smack

            That’s hilarious, stick to reality.  That’s rich…  There was nothing imaginary in what I said. Native tribes were killed because they didn’t believe in christ and KBR is a bunch of christian crusaders. Your point about christians being the most persecuted is silly and pretty petty.  Save your propaganda.  The most persecuted hahahaha, you christians sure are……..  and as far as you trying to say I’m ignorant for being an atheist “pretty sheltered in North America’…. Fk you I’m not in north america or europe.  I have more worldly experience than you and don’t need a god-crutch to be a good person.  Superlogic, more like blindedbyideology.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Harry-Eddis-Webb/575510593 Harry Eddis-Webb

            Religions have fought each other since their establishments because by wiping out anyone who thinks differently makes you right. no?

            Lets be honest… the Christians are no saints. They have certainly done their fair share of raping, pillaging, mutilating, torturing and murdering.
            I don’t remember hearing of any Atheist crusades spanning centuries and continents.

          • Isa56

            Atheism hasn’t been widely believed in until the 20th century or so.  As such, it’s rather too early to tell if there could be “crusades” spanning centuries.  Judging from human nature, I would say it will occur at some point.  As for continents, could we could persecution of religious groups in China/USSR/etc. by nominally atheistic states?  That’s been pretty well documented.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Harry-Eddis-Webb/575510593 Harry Eddis-Webb

            I suppose anything’s possible but the killings you describe in China etc. are almost entirely political with a fascia of religion for added spice.

          • Cpkxl

             It’s funny when people are still bitching about somethings that have not happened in 150 years, as if it still means something  of value in an argument or opinion.  There’s another religion that’s murdered a billion or so, so far, and they are not slowing down about it, and don’t intend to, and have been at it  since they emerged out of the Saudi Penninsula 1400 years ago.

          • Calum

            Well most of it is done by other Religions. Atheists only make up about 3.8% of the world population so simple math tells you that we ain’t going to be doing much of the Christian-Bashing. The Chinese and the Koreans are the best bet for  Atheist-Christian persecution, but even there are other factors to take into account. Any dissidence is treated harshly in China and North korea, such as any other religion, or homosexuals or intellectuals etc
            And most of the persecution is in Middle-eastern countries, places I remind you, where atheists can be executed. No joke. So it’s not us there either. Most Atheists don’t care; strange considering the hate so many people have for us. I’m British, and to people my age round  (19) here, Christianity is a bit of a joke. We don’t hate them, or insult them or any of that. But when we see a girl our age wandering around with a Bible in her handbag. Well, let’s say looks are exchanged between me and my friends. Sideways glances. Maybe a snigger.
            See! When the tables are turned, and the Christians are the minority, we don’t hate them! It’s a popular source of comedy! Who could hate that?

          • Ed Klopfenstein

            Instant Karma, it’s going to get you….

            John Lennon

          • Kurt Smith

            “the most persecuted religion in the world’ I had to laugh, that was very funny. All those claims come from christians. How about growing a spine?

          • SuperLogic

            No, that claim even comes from The Star, which is pretty much an “atheist” newspaper.    My guess is, if you were being tortured and killed because of your beliefs, you’d stop laughing pretty darn fast, and be filling your shorts and crying for your mommy.  And then I’d like to see who would need to grow a spine!  :oP

            http://www.thestar.com/news/insight/article/901492–christianity-arguably-the-most-persecuted-religion-in-the-world

          • SuperLogic

            You’re “pretty sure” killing of 6 million native americans had something to do with Christians??   Playing pretty loose with the statistics and generalizations eh?   For one it’s hard to give an accurate estimate of the numbers, secondly it had nothing to do with Christians, and was a result of a number of different groups.  Lastly, it is thought that this was mainly a result of sickness relating to the lack of the Native Americans immune system to the European settlers and their animals.   Nice try.

          • SuperLogic

            You’re “pretty sure” killing of 6 million native americans had something to do with Christians??   Playing pretty loose with the statistics and generalizations eh?   For one it’s hard to give an accurate estimate of the numbers, secondly it had nothing to do with Christians, and was a result of a number of different groups.  Lastly, it is thought that this was mainly a result of sickness relating to the lack of the Native Americans immune system to the European settlers and their animals.   Nice try.

          • SuperLogic

            And KBR Blackwater??  Umm… not sure what your point is here, but you have a pretty vivid imagination.  American companies, avowed crusaders against Islam??   Where’s your proof?   Sounds like you’re just throwing mud, and hoping it will stick.

          • SuperLogic

            And KBR Blackwater??  Umm… not sure what your point is here, but you have a pretty vivid imagination.  American companies, avowed crusaders against Islam??   Where’s your proof?   Sounds like you’re just throwing mud, and hoping it will stick.

        • Smack

          The holocaust was not the only genocide on this planet.  I’m pretty sure killing of 6million native americans had something to do with christianity.  Them being heathens and whatnot.  Even currently, the jerkoffs in americas mecenary army KBR/blackwater or whatever you want to call them are avowed crusaders against Islam.  So, yes, it is true that more violence and killing is done in the name of god than without.

        • Kimball911

          The following quote is the Wehrmacht oath of loyalty to Adolf Hitler.

          “I swear by God this sacred oath that I shall render unconditional
          obedience to Adolf Hitler, the Führer of the German Reich, supreme
          commander of the armed forces, and that I shall at all times be
          prepared, as a brave soldier, to give my life for this oath.” 

          Whether or not Hitler himself was a Christian, or even a theist of any kind, he at the very least took advantage of the theism of others to grant authority to his rule. 

          • Frisk

            Hitler was a Christian who attended Church regularly.  

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Joe-Fletcher/1166444975 Joe Fletcher

            it is well established the Nazi regime had huge ties to major Christian organizations. The pope being Mussolini’s right hand man in the spread of loyalty to the party. I can also testify personally I have never met in the U.S a person who wasn’t kkk, neo nazi, types who wasn’t christian. In fact guarantee you 100% of the time if you ask them the justification of their beliefs it will be religious in nature.

          • Ed Klopfenstein

            Hitler was not a Christian because he never believed in the basic principles of Jesus: love your fellow man, never do harm, do good. Going to church and sitting in a pew doesn’t make you a Christian, just like eating a bagle doesn’t make you a jew.

          • Kurt Smith

            Hitler was raised a catholic. Are you claiming christians never kill? Nice fantasy.

          • Ed Klopfenstein

            I’m saying that “Christians”, or people of any faith, who kill are not of that faith. Christ never advocated war, killing or harm and those who do are posers in the worst way.

          • Kurt Smith

            Whether the Christ character ever existed outside the confines of a man made novel, is very much up for debate. Christians do kill and in the name of the zombie christ character too, simple irrefutable historical fact.

        • Kimball911

          The following quote is the Wehrmacht oath of loyalty to Adolf Hitler.

          “I swear by God this sacred oath that I shall render unconditional
          obedience to Adolf Hitler, the Führer of the German Reich, supreme
          commander of the armed forces, and that I shall at all times be
          prepared, as a brave soldier, to give my life for this oath.” 

          Whether or not Hitler himself was a Christian, or even a theist of any kind, he at the very least took advantage of the theism of others to grant authority to his rule. 

      • Betteschneider

        Is that really true?  What are the statistics?  Was the killing of six million Jews about Christianity from Hitler?

  • Anonymous

    There are Atheist that actually go to Atheist churches. I really can’t see what value their would be in Atheist wasting time in their day to go to a church and discuss how they don’t believe in god. I fear death, that’s why I believe in god, because it eases my mind.

    • MJ

      I have never heard of a “Atheist Church” That is an Oxymoron!  The only thing Non- Believers have in common is a lack of belief in anything supernatural as their is NO evidence for it. Apart from that they are all just individuals.

    • MJ

      I have never heard of a “Atheist Church” That is an Oxymoron!  The only thing Non- Believers have in common is a lack of belief in anything supernatural as their is NO evidence for it. Apart from that they are all just individuals.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Drew-Jordan-Maharaj/1651620050 Drew-Jordan Maharaj

        how refreshing it is to hear someone say the truth about why they believe in god…but how sad that you realize it is out of fear yet persist in your dangerous wishthinking belief

        • vcx

          how is it “dangerous” for one individual to believe something?

          you’re saying beliefs are dangerous on their own?

          so you’re advocating pre-crime?

          i’m fine with that, i’m a eugenicist in support of a Hitlerian fascist NWO and a third world war.  I just want you to know that calling some retarded Christian’s beliefs “dangerous” implies a lot of things.

          Watch your logical steps.

  • Isyouisorisyouaint

    Will Rogers never met a man he didn’t like. I guess he didn’t met many atheist

  • Isyouisorisyouaint

    Will Rogers never met a man he didn’t like. I guess he didn’t met many atheist

  • Isyouisorisyouaint

    I meant meet.  LOL

  • Isyouisorisyouaint

    I meant meet.  LOL

  • troupa

    Atheist or not, the problem comes with extremes and (violent)action not with ideologies and believes.

    • http://www.facebook.com/raodhammer Road Hammer

      you just about right Dude. patient. 

  • Gareth

    An open invitation to American Atheists: given that studies have shown that atheists are generally more intelligent, generally better educated and generally less prone to talking in tongues and hearing voices in their head, come to Europe. We’d love to have you and America can be left in rot in the Christian wonderland of intolerance, superstition and general idiocy. PS this is not a guarantee of a visa 😛

    • Brad

      They are also welcome in Canada. 

      • http://www.facebook.com/raodhammer Road Hammer

        that’s why in holy book said you better not to be among the north people. otherwise you will be in deep shitt. north people especially north of Europe are the most Godless people ever. they will be so in trouble. now just forget about hell, in trouble they will be. 

      • http://www.facebook.com/raodhammer Road Hammer

        that’s why in holy book said you better not to be among the north people. otherwise you will be in deep shitt. north people especially north of Europe are the most Godless people ever. they will be so in trouble. now just forget about hell, in trouble they will be. 

      • Vegas

        And Australia.

        • Jdentry

          in australia we make fun of christians, so they’ll fit right in. 

          • http://www.facebook.com/Nunny Lachie Nunn

             True blue!

          • Asd

            What the hell am I doing in USA, adopt me please.

          • Welcome

            Get some red duct tape and duct tape a square on the floor around your computer chair. Now welcome to Canada!

          • http://twitter.com/SlightlyTwysted Slightly Twysted

            Adopt me too!!

          • AwfulDentist

            You mean to say, you elect them as prime ministers…

      • B14khe4rt

        i live in new brunswick, i came here because I thought they were tolerant, but catholics are anything but tolerant. On top of that when people find out I’m American they treat me like a second class citizen. 

        • Joan_of_Snark

          Come to Ontario, we are cool with both atheists and Americans.

          • http://www.facebook.com/Battlestarcaley Harry Caley

            WOOO Kingston Ontario! I MISS YOU

        • Bounty

          You obviously didn’t do any research on NB before you got there lol. NB, NS and PEI are the Bible Belt of Canada. Catholics are mental! Especially the born again freaks. Trust me, I grew up there…

      • B14khe4rt

        i live in new brunswick, i came here because I thought they were tolerant, but catholics are anything but tolerant. On top of that when people find out I’m American they treat me like a second class citizen. 

    • Anonymous

      Hmm.  I might just take you up on that.  Living in SoCal for so long, though, I’ve come to quite enjoy hot, dry weather.  Anywhere in particular on the continent you think I should look?

      • Lebigouden

        South of france, Spain and Italy should be suitable for you mate.

    • Anonymous

      Hmm.  I might just take you up on that.  Living in SoCal for so long, though, I’ve come to quite enjoy hot, dry weather.  Anywhere in particular on the continent you think I should look?

    • Anonymous

      Hmm.  I might just take you up on that.  Living in SoCal for so long, though, I’ve come to quite enjoy hot, dry weather.  Anywhere in particular on the continent you think I should look?

    • Anonymous

      If I had the money to do so right now, I’m pretty sure I’d take you up on that.

      • Clix (ክሊክስ)

        I presume you’re better educated, therefore should have plenty of disposable income and skills that should allow you to be gainfully employed anywhere in the world, eh?  

        • Anonymous

          Like yourself, you mean?

          • Clix (ክሊክስ)

            Oh…I forgot to explicitly state that I am not an atheist nor any other fundamentalist, thus find it utterly unnecessary to fantasize about a move about the world looking for a place that fully supports a thought process and exploration  that is entirely personal and is better contained within my own mind. 

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Harry-Eddis-Webb/575510593 Harry Eddis-Webb

            Well you really do win the award for writing the most idiotic post I have read this week…
            Atheist are not fundamentalist you fuckwit, they are the opposite… as for you ‘explicitly stating’ your ignorance, we have known you are not atheist since your first moronic comment on this thread… As for the freedom from religious restraints (Atheism) being described as a personal ‘thought process’ that is better contained within my own mind; that really does take the soggy biscuit. I presume whichever fairy tale belief you structure your indoctrinated life around takes extreme measures to spread their ‘thought process’ far and wide, consuming the young and breeding hatred across the globe. How do you dare insist upon other peoples silence when they have so politely allowed you to spread lies and deceit since the dawning of recorded thought.

          • Clix (ክሊክስ)

            Hehehe…I have struck a nerve in another knee-jerk.  Leave my soggy biscuit alone you dimwit.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Harry-Eddis-Webb/575510593 Harry Eddis-Webb

            If I re-read your comment as by someone other than religious I see it has a very fair and valid point that should be shared across all beliefs and understandings.

            I apologise. I saw red and didn’t assess.You may keep the soggy biscuit.

          • Clix (ክሊክስ)

            Well, I’ll be damned!  Bigger people do exist on these wretched forums!

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Harry-Eddis-Webb/575510593 Harry Eddis-Webb

            Clix, after reading all your comments on this thread, both amusing and touching, I’d like to know what your view is on the matter. God or not? You manage to stay neutral between the two whilst ‘hating on’ both 😉 pray tell… I am intrigued.

          • Clix (ክሊክስ)

            That’s easy.  God or not?  I have no freaking idea.  I don’t know.  That’s my most honest and humble answer.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Harry-Eddis-Webb/575510593 Harry Eddis-Webb

            And is ignorance bliss? 😛

          • Sigurd

            A contradiction that an atheist or a ‘don’t fucking know’ can quarrel over the very matter they agree on. If moral standards are a high priority within youselves, then leave each other alone. YOU both seem to be capable of living side by side, then think about it, you are missing the point, rule out your egotrips. Embrace your ethic stands and do not be afraid to stretch your horizon. None of you guys and girls are right, except all of you. Use your energy on harmful sources of religion and powerbased structural profit piranha assholes. If not personal Jesus, then let’s settle on personal perspective!

          • Sigurd

            A contradiction that an atheist or a ‘don’t fucking know’ can quarrel over the very matter they agree on. If moral standards are a high priority within youselves, then leave each other alone. YOU both seem to be capable of living side by side, then think about it, you are missing the point, rule out your egotrips. Embrace your ethic stands and do not be afraid to stretch your horizon. None of you guys and girls are right, except all of you. Use your energy on harmful sources of religion and powerbased structural profit piranha assholes. If not personal Jesus, then let’s settle on personal perspective!

          • Anonymous

            Would it FREAK YOU OUT, you stupid fucking bellend, if I told you that’s also my position? Stop acting like you KNOW me, you sad, ignorant little prick.

          • TheOneTrueGod

            If you don’t believe in a god than you are an atheist. The biggest misconception is that to be an Atheist you have to say “There is definitely not a god and never was” in reality it is just “We have no evidence for a god and therefore one doesn’t exist”

            The very idea that Agnosticism and Atheism is different is just something that the fence-sitters among us like to spread.

          • Clix (ክሊክስ)

            You’re from the if you’re not with us, you’re with the other’s ilk, eh? The duplicitous duality dealers? You know, the bushists?

            How simple mindedly you erase a school of thought at least a century and half in the making, on a esteemed forum such as this one of all places! Where can I read the rest of your well-thought out discourse, so I believe at least, on the subject?

            Renown thinkers such as Einstein were atheists. Agnosticism is a well examined position that takes into account the white elephant in the room that we, as a civilization or species, don’t know enough about our universe to rule out any such possibility as a deity.

            Read a book…or something!

          • Clix (ክሊክስ)

            That’s easy.  God or not?  I have no freaking idea.  I don’t know.  That’s my most honest and humble answer.

          • http://www.facebook.com/Battlestarcaley Harry Caley

            unlike yourself

          • Isa56

            From the dictionary, fundamentalism is ” A religious movement or point of view characterized by a
            return to fundamental principles, by rigid adherence to those
            principles, and often by intolerance of other views” ergo any philosophical stance COULD be fundamentalist.  It depends on how it’s put into action by the believer.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Harry-Eddis-Webb/575510593 Harry Eddis-Webb

            I wouldn’t consider Atheism a religion. It is a realisation.

          • Clix (ክሊክስ)

            A realization of what?

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Harry-Eddis-Webb/575510593 Harry Eddis-Webb

            Help. Entrapment. lol
            The realisation that if there was a god, people would not be qualified to pass it’s judgements or enforce it’s rules.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Harry-Eddis-Webb/575510593 Harry Eddis-Webb

            Help. Entrapment. lol
            The realisation that if there was a god, people would not be qualified to pass it’s judgements or enforce it’s rules.

          • Clix (ክሊክስ)

            You’re not a very good atheist. 

            The first law of atheism; there is NO god. 

            Second law of atheism; those who believe in a god are stupid/uneducated morons.

            Third law of atheism; in order to create a better tomorrow, atheist must systematically evangelize the world into belief against any god, as belief in god (not greed) is the main source of strife in the world.

            Now, get with the program friend! 

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Harry-Eddis-Webb/575510593 Harry Eddis-Webb

            I’m with it enough to be comfortable thankyou. There is no god. I was merely pointing out how ridiculous it is that those who believe in one also believe that fellow man are capable of knowing how he wants you to behave or abstain.

          • Johns

            Everything is god.

            god is.

          • Mwnestor

            Well that makes fuck all sense!

          • JustAname

            Adding “laws”
            Sad narrow minded people joining a system of belief and pushing it on others, complete the irony and create an anthiest church. That way you can do all the preaching you want.

          • TheOneTrueGod

            Oh do fuck off.

          • Clix (ክሊክስ)

            You respond to a comment I made a year ago and suggest I f-off?! You’re a bit late to the party friend. Oh, you too!

          • http://www.facebook.com/Battlestarcaley Harry Caley

            actually Atheism is not an emphasis on ‘no god’ or any god, it is the lack in belief of an existing god. We do not say there is or isnt one. You do not know the definition yourself you smug fucker. Do your own research.

          • Clix (ክሊክስ)

            This is the best you can contribute to this discussion? You’re better off not having said anything. What a waste of keystrokes!

          • Bounty

            Burn!

          • Caleb

            American Spelling…  Interesting….

          • Clix (ክሊክስ)

            Was that comment worth your time and effort?  Not mine, for sure.

          • Clix (ክሊክስ)

            A realization of what?

          • Caleb

            English Spelling…

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Harry-Eddis-Webb/575510593 Harry Eddis-Webb

            I wouldn’t consider Atheism a religion. It is a realisation.

          • steamknife

            I would like to weigh in. Religion MUST always involve a god or some sort of supernatural being. That definition does not apply to athiesm.

            The Chinese relised this concept and stopped worshipping Confucianism as religion 1200 years ago. I guess we humans are still primitive.

          • Johns

            “Religion:
            a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects. ” I once heard that Religion literally meant to return to where one comes from.  

          • Clix (ክሊክስ)

            “If you know, to recognize that you know, If you don’t know, to realize that you don’t know: That is knowledge” -Confucius

            Stop regressing to your fundie ways. 

          • Clix (ክሊክስ)

            “If you know, to recognize that you know, If you don’t know, to realize that you don’t know: That is knowledge” -Confucius

            Stop regressing to your fundie ways. 

          • Planet Piss

            There is no way to know whether god(s) is/are real or not.  Atheism can be likened to a religion, because there is no room at all for any questioning of the dogmatic beliefs that are held.  (Such as the non-existence of god)  The same goes for any modern scientific branch, there is no room to EXPAND beyond the current beliefs.  Man once found the world to be flat, and the earth the center of the universe, and any questioning made of those beliefs were mocked and ridiculed by the educated scholars of that time.  So, the same applies today.  For all we know, we could just be disembodies hallucinating brains floating in jars.  The likelihood of this is not knowable.  Probability can only be seen subjectively as “reality”.  Reality is really just a bullshit term we use to fill in the gap for anything we want, because reality can only be taken from the eyes of the beholder.  My reality, yours, his, hers, theirs, ours, may all be completely different.  Or, maybe some people share the same realities.  And the reason we can never know this is because it is impossible to TRULY coincide with another being.  (As far as we know now).  Or maybe I’m just talking out my ass.  Hard to tell.

          • Anonymous

            You guys have been trying to use this concept of something existing until proven otherwise for years, it is ridiculous. Does the flying spaghetti monster exist in your world as well, after all you nor I can prove it doesn’t. The problem with your assumption is that it is contrary to logical expectations, it breaks all of the known natural laws that we live with everyday. It is very true that no one can say with absolute certainty that God or some god doesn’t exist, it is very true that no one can say for certain that God or some other god does exist- these are equally valid and opposite statements, meaning they cancal one another out and niether means anything. So what are we left with- experimentation, logic, empirical evidence- they all point toward no god. What points toward gods existence, personal experience and revelation, two things we have proven time and time again to be unworthy of our trust. Whats more is that not even these two things are consistant from person to person, they depend strongly on what you have been taught and where you live.

            Look no one is saying that you do not have the right to beleive what ever you want, but don’t try and justify it using logic, its not a logical belief. The world is not near as topsy turvy as you would like to think. I am an x-physics major now majoring in chemistry, already have a degree in theology. From my personal experiences in the world of science I can tell you that a consensus can be reached, there is a real reality that can be uncovered. To do so you have to use mathematics as your language and empirical evidence as your guide though, not personal experience and popular conjecture.

          • Hardergamer

            What? you dont bleve in the flying spaghetti monster!!!!?? lol
            But well said.

          • http://poetryman1.deviantart.com/ Andre

            I don’t think science can exist without the 5 senses. Philosophy exists without the 5 senses. But philosophy proves nothing towards Science however. This is why the glorification of self is higher than innate truth.

            Innate truth will conclude an absolute morality. But no one wants to come to innate truth because it convicts the soul, and our souls don’t like being convicted. We want self righteousness to defy an absolute morality, even if that means by logically using scientific standards (sometimes even defying that logic itself). And those standards and logic only come about by observation.

            It’s funny. The same system that “reveals” things to us is the same system that we use to “disprove” what it’s totally revealing to us.

            Truth: we are all nothing but “observers”- no one can ever claim anything: not knowledge, not talent, not beauty, not life. But conscience is the only truth.

            Take away the physical and your left with the spiritual, the innate, the thought- the free-form being that is you and I. Not self-made, nor self-desired, but existing within an ultimate framework  of spiritual essence. That spiritual essence we only know as “GOD”. “He” (not actually a gendered being-but authoritative), has given us instruction (the bible), that we should live morally clean lives- with love. “He” tells us we are “created” in his image. He tells us we have “sinned”, we have “fallen short” of his glory. We have Disobeyed him, we have lost our righteous “inheritance”.

            The “Creator” is “God”. He chose a people to be glorified throughout- The Jews. And he later revealed his substance in “flesh” as a man named “Jesus”). He redeemed those worthy to attain back that spiritual freedom by manifesting himself and declaring “grace” and “peace” and “love” for “eternity”– get the picture.

            Eternity does not (cannot) know anything “outside” itself.

            God does not (cannot) know anything “outside” himself.

            God is the fulfillment of our purpose- that is our substance, we are OF his substance. All of these revelations so in order that HE- might be Glorified “through” us. FOR HE IS HOLY.

            God sounds harsh doesn’t he? lol. Well he wouldn’t be “Just” if he didn’t Judge the unjust… But know this:

            there is an enemy of God, Satan. He doesn’t want you to know the truth.

            Don’t blame God (God is NOT religion). Search yourself, and your purpose.

            If it’s not in Jesus. Then you have yet to attain true perfection. True freedom.

            Don’t believe worldly lies. Jesus said, “and YOU shall know the truth. And the Truth shall set YOU free” (matthew 8:32).

            Peace and love to all.

          • Kurt Smith

            The only “Creator” in this Universe is man. We’ve created all gods and written and printed all texts relating to them. We’ve managed to brainwash people into believing the rubbish we’ve created about gods. In all our clever intellectual meanderings, the gods however, not surprisingly, remain conspicously absent.

          • James Moore

            So at some point in history, we have a population that is completely atheist. Now, this was many years ago, and being an atheist society I’m sure it was quite a utopia. But then someone had the idea of god or gods, this person then spread this idea which lead to murder, hate, bigotry and so on. Who brainwashed that man? Where did he come up with the idea of god?After all, he was born into a bible free, atheist utopian society, so why did he stray so far from the realm of scientific reasoning and rational? And furthermore how was he able to spread such ideas in such a small amount of time, and to so many rational people? The problem I have is, there is no evidence that such an ancient atheist society exists. Such an evolved and scientific people would surely would have left something.

          • Kurt Smith

            You are right James there is no evidence of a pre-religious purely atheist society that was scientifically advanced. Which of course explains perfectly, why man trying to make sense of the world around him, made up gods. We had thousands of gods and spirit animals, for everything from thunder to love and now we have but a few.

            So what there is, is an undisputed history of man and story telling and folklore. Even today our gods’ universes are our books and nowhere else.

            Our creation of magical beings and magical worlds can be traced back to the very beginnings of recorded history and is beyond any doubt. It is astonishingly easy for man to create fictional characters and give shape to them and their worlds. Gods and Harry Potter have more in common than talking snakes, flying jewish zombies and reality ever will.

            Our modern gods are indistinguishable from spirit animals and ancient gods. To declare today that the universe was created by a magical god is functionally no different to declaring that the sun is a golden disc being dragged across the heavens by a magical charioteer.

            I think the other main thing to remember that every single claim for the existence of gods comes exclusively from man, not from the gods.

            If you’re looking for that ancient atheist society, you will find it in the gods, as they don’t even believe in their own existence, only we do.

          • Adriandarby

            blah  blah 

          • Matthew Standley

            Well you really do win the award for writing the most idiotic post I have read this week…
            Atheist are not fundamentalist you fuckwit, they are the opposite…
            Please explain.
            Do you believe that “fundamentalist” as a word is tied to Christianity?

            One who believes in the fundamentals of (place concept here). In other words, no frills and no nonsense.Pardon my asking in quite so blunt a way, but, don’t you feel like the “fuckwit”, now?

          • Tolly

            Here is an example of the type of atheist evangelism I mentioned in my post above.

          • Clix (ክሊክስ)

            Go live in the ‘South of France’, you little twat so that you could be protected in a cocoon, because the real world is too diverse for you!  Oh, I forgot…you’re broke! Bwhahah!

          • Anonymous

            The only little twat here is your little sister’s, and I just filled her full of “atheism”. Of course, I didn’t have any money to pay her, so she gave me a freebie. Bwhahah!

          • Clix (ክሊክስ)

            Oh wow!  You are smart and witty after all!  You really have me in knots over my non-existent sister.  May be you should try it again with my mother…that would have been a sure shot, don’t you think?

          • Clix (ክሊክስ)

            Oh wow!  You are smart and witty after all!  You really have me in knots over my non-existent sister.  May be you should try it again with my mother…that would have been a sure shot, don’t you think?

          • Clix (ክሊክስ)

            Oh wow!  You are smart and witty after all!  You really have me in knots over my non-existent sister.  May be you should try it again with my mother…that would have been a sure shot, don’t you think?

          • Anonymous

            Nice try, Clit.

          • Clix (ክሊክስ)

            Sorry Pysmythe.  I didn’t think you’d become unglued for being challenged to defend what you said.  I kind of feel bad that now you have resorted to writing things and deleting them, not to mention anonymizing your comments.  Not much of what I said was personal, because as you said, I don’t know you.  Regardless, be well.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Wilmer-Donkor/100001932300711 Wilmer Donkor

            “we didnt start the flame war….”

            don’t forget Godwins Law….

          • Clix (ክሊክስ)

            huh?  come again?  what’s godwin’s law has to do with the thread you responded to?  do you perhaps want to jump in the Nazi bandwagon?

          • Evanrlemire

            wow you are a horrible human being.

          • Clix (ክሊክስ)

            Really?

          • TheOneTrueGod

            *Maybe

          • Clix (ክሊክስ)

            These are the kind of ‘debates’ you enjoy, eh? Right up your ally there!

            You ain’t getting it from me! Not today.

        • Holydonut

          Education has very little to do with income and success. sorry to burst your bubble.

          • Clix (ክሊክስ)

            I proceed cautiously suspecting that you may know something most of us don’t and anticipate eagerly how you’re going to respond to the finding below:

            http://www.bls.gov/emp/ep_chart_001.htm

            You do know this is thoroughly off topic, right?  So, please make it brief and to the point.

    • SuperLogic

      Yeah, that sounds pretty tolerant there Gareth, of course only to people who hold the same view as yourself, right?   :oP  Pfffttt!!

    • SuperLogic

      Yeah, that sounds pretty tolerant there Gareth, of course only to people who hold the same view as yourself, right?   :oP  Pfffttt!!

    • SuperLogic

      Yeah, that sounds pretty tolerant there Gareth, of course only to people who hold the same view as yourself, right?   :oP  Pfffttt!!

    • Jerryeamon

      I really wish I could Gareth, the only problem is that America is pretty damn good at keeping their slaves here once they got them.

    • Tommy Carpenter

      Whoa whoa whoa… I think american atheists owe it to the founding fathers to help America back to their vision… Right? Shouldn’t we want to bring Jefferson and Franklin’s vision back. I mean we can start there, educate the religious zealots that the founding fathers were primarly Atheist. Jefferson re-wrote the bible and Franklin was very open about how disgusting he found religion to be. Besides if every atheist left, the education level would drop too fast and we have too many nukes here.

    • Cityzenkane

      Sounds like religious fervour to me.

    • redwhiteandblue

      Very tolerant of you. I think i will stay in the states -thank you. If this board, feel free to scroll down, is an example of being better educated I feel bad for you people in Europe. It is defiantly not what I would call an example of “civilized” behavior. Nor does it show any kind of tolerance for anyone who thinks different than yourselves. To make fun, browbeat, and simple call the opposition morons, insane, etc…does not show any intelligence.
      Those “studies” who rendered them? Where they completely free from bias? I doubt it. Please feel free to take all the American haters you want.

    • Campbellnova

      they could go to china, russia, or north korea =) those are 3 atheist countrys… Have fun =D

      • Buster

        I’m sure the Russian Orthodox Church would be thrilled to hear you say that.

      • Anonymous

        Come on man, do some research. North Korea worshipped Kim Jopng Ill literally as their savior and the son of god, now they worship his son. China has no sanctioned state religion but the people there practice Taoism, Confucianism, and Buddhism- eastern religions. Yes, these are very different from our exclusionistic western traditions, but they are considered religions. They also have small pockets of Christianity and Judaism. The Chinese government is officially atheist though, I’ll give you that. Russia has Orthodox christianity as its largest religion but, they also practice Islam, Buddhism, etc.

             There is no place on earth where you can escape religion of any kind, period. There are definitely places more tolerable than America though, thats for sure. As an atheist living in the bible belt portion of the southeastern US, I have often dreamed of moving to such a place. My life has been threatened, I have been denied jobs and business opportunities, I am generally discriminated against by anyone who knows I dont beleive. That’s why I have learned to keep my mouth shut and play along.

      • Jdentry

        Australia is an atheist country, we aren’t communists (which i assume is your argument, that atheism = communism). actually we fight along side your country in every single war you have fought in since federation, so you couldn’t have any problem with us if you tried.

        We do have a bible belt, queensland, south australia and western australia are particularly religious, however no-one would EVER lose their house or job for being atheist in any part of this country, we have unions to fight that type of thing, if it did happen the company or landlord would be hit with a massive law suit with national press coverage.

        there are alot of atheist countries in the world, yours for one is supposed to be.

        • Xencat

          I pissed some bloke and he was all about wanting to beat the holy spirit into me for being atheist.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZVQRXZXU4YRI4EDMQIX7YDGVAM Who

      I reason that existing views similar to what Gareth just expressed could possibly be why there is distrust and antagonism towards Atheists from non-atheists (especially from Christians). 

      I just can’t reason that claims of atheists being more intelligent and better educated coupled with labelling Christians as intolerant, superstitious and idiotic…all under the context of who Is and who is Not welcome in Europe…would engender a positive feeling towards Atheists (especially from Christians). 

      It’s hurtful for me to watch the pain of these Atheists.  Pain caused by persecution, discrimination, and insults.And I hope we can all avoid persecuting, discriminating and insulting…no matter who the person or the group.

      • Ed Klopfenstein

        The world is suffering and the only way to escape suffering is to realize that suffering will always exist but that there is a path out of suffering and that is enlightenment.

        How you define enlightenment may be a more personal decision.

    • billybatarded

      my family was from strassbourg 100s of years ago thats in france meaning in some small way i am a bit french, i’d love to go back trust me i’d love it

    • Firephantom77

      Just for the record, not every christian is intolerant or a douche… at least not me.

      • MaceGumble

         but you are blinded by a book u dnt even know who wrote it…..2000 years or so ago…..crazy still living in the past and forgetting of the future…..

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Wilmer-Donkor/100001932300711 Wilmer Donkor

          regardless, if he’s not a douche he’s welcome on the flying spaghetti monsters far from perfect earth that it created with its noodly appendage after a night of binge drinking for the pirates to live on.

          • Jdentry

            or the mind controlled dinosaurs.

    • MaceGumble

       You are also welcome in UK and Zimbabwe, PEACE and ONE LOVE FOR ALL. Bible lesson in class in the UK where banned, it was the greatest law of all time, it allow children to make their own view on religion not forced into it by the story from the bible, its just a story, it never happened based on evolution.

      • Guy Guido

         Quran study banned as well, I take it. If not, you do know what that means.

    • Seraph

      Hilarious, reading your writing shows me how idiotic most Atheists are. You talk of intolerance but go on to demonize an entire way of life… How ironic. Where is your proof that atheists are more intelligent? Better educated? I thought you dealt with facts but it seems to not be so. 

      You are no different from an Evangelical and I think that pisses you off.

    • Janellec122

      I dream of moving to Europe :)

    • skeptical

      Isn’t it like just gathering all the infidels at one place, away from all the nuclear arsenal?

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1302835467 Joseph Goseph

      go to new zealand, everyones atheist and they will do anything an american says. its the accent, it sounds like your famous, its like mind control

    • jedijesse

      As an Atheist in America, sometimes it does get hard. But this is ground zero for us. We can’t leave if we want America to become an intelligent nation again. The fight is here

      • Jesus

        So True. I dont mind myself that people have faith, traditions, wednesday and sunday meetings… I just dislike the illogical decisions overly Religious people make. I to live in the south east USA bible belt. Im surrounded by Christians that Hate Gays, Dont believe in Free Choice, and seem to be quite Racist. so faith doesnt impress me that much .. i find most of the “Faithful” people around me are the worst humanity has to offer!

    • ABHIJEET P

      We need more of you in India :)

    • Mitch F

      Don’t go to Europe, stand up for yourself and your beliefs in America. It’s time we recognize that most of our country’s founders were actually empircists, deists, and atheists – not Christians.

    • Hayley

      Hey so, just want to point out that the most annoying thing about religious people is their intolerance to people of other beliefs. Hey guess what atheist, you’re doing the SAME thing. Perhaps instead of just calling the other side stupid, or people without morals you could actually try and get to know them. Not every aspect of religion is bad, and many of cultural values are formed from religion (or vice versa). Of course, I say this for hardcore religious people as well. Shunning others or hating on them because of their beliefs isn’t going to convert them.

    • http://www.facebook.com/Battlestarcaley Harry Caley

      New Zealand is much like the same! Religion is not something that pops up in every day life, we live life for what we intend it for. And we bid no will to any higher power and dictator. We live the life we want! not the one some one else wants us to with their beliefs!

    • http://www.facebook.com/greater.celestin Greater Celestin

      What study are you talking about? That is coming straight from your own opinion. You are wrong. There is a study however, that shows that the brains of atheists are much smaller than people who pray or believe in God. Look it up. It is A FACT. Your statements are coming from someone that has never stepped foot inside a church. You don’t know what you speak of. You only know by what you see on tv. This is one of the world’s biggest problems. People watch too much tv and it gives false and bias information. Put the remote down. Pick up a King James version of the Bible instead. Don’t believe what you see on tv. What you see on tv in regards to christianity will most likely be bias against it because when it comes to things like this on television it often is.

    • http://www.facebook.com/greater.celestin Greater Celestin

      What studies are you refering to? All this is just coming from your own personal opinion and it is false. There is a study however, which shows that the brains of atheists are smaller than people who pray and believe in God. This is A FACT. Your opinion is coming from somebody who never stepped foot inside a church. You are going by what you see on tv. This is one of the biggest problems the world has today. People watch too much television and believe everything they see on it, not knowing that a lot of the information is false and bias. You will never get the correct information about the Bible or christianity by watching television, because when it comes to that it is always bias. If you watch a documentary on tv about christianity, they don’t even get the stories in the Bible correct. Put the remote down. Have some discipline and pick up a copy of the King James version of the Bible instead.

    • http://www.facebook.com/greater.celestin Greater Celestin

      What studies are you refering to? All this is just coming from your own personal opinion and it is false. There is a study however, which shows that the brains of atheists are smaller than people who pray and believe in God. This is A FACT. Your opinion is coming from somebody who never stepped foot inside a church. You are going by what you see on tv. This is one of the biggest problems the world has today. People watch too much television and believe everything they see on it, not knowing that a lot of the information is false and bias. You will never get the correct information about the Bible or christianity by watching television, because when it comes to that it is always bias. If you watch a documentary on tv about christianity, they don’t even get the stories in the Bible correct. Put the remote down. Have some discipline and pick up a copy of the King James version of the Bible instead.

      • Jesus

        King James Version of the Bible PLEASE!!! that man was a fat and glutinous man that sinned beyond belief, had to be moved around with mechanical devices at the end of his rule he was so fat, also was married 6 times. Even Threatened one of his wives that if she didnt give him a child he would have her put to death. Go Read something else other than a king james anything Greater Celestin!!!! and it was only the 3rd time the bible had been translated to english. ALso, The power of Tudor monarchs, including Henry, was ‘whole’ and ‘entire’, ruling, as they claimed, by the grace of God alone. <<<— the fact this man thought his rule was divine …. well….. i myself dont care again to read a book of truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth…. thats actually full of lies!

        • Jesus

          Also i am Referencing Henry VIII that ordered the last translation based on what the Puritans wanted (Extremist Protestants)
          Modifications to a book that is supposed to be a VERY important book just to placate a group of extremists and disconnect England from the Roman Catholic Church.

    • superintelligentatheist

      why, Europe is lacking arrogant bigots and intolerant fucks? who knew?

    • http://www.facebook.com/karen.ricci.9634 Karen Ricci

      What a load of BS.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=712650092 Jeremy Janishewski

      I wish it were economically possible. It is also very hard for Americans to emigrate to Europe, I tried once a few years back. I had a job in Ireland, but I could not take it because they gave preference to eastern Europeans and there is a long list :(. I don’t want my children to grow up in this society.

    • http://www.facebook.com/adelina.hayes Adelina Sanchirico Hayes

      It takes intelligents to ask questions, questions lead to education, education plus intelligents leads to rational thinking. Doesn’t say much for the state the US is in.

  • Gareth

    An open invitation to American Atheists: given that studies have shown that atheists are generally more intelligent, generally better educated and generally less prone to talking in tongues and hearing voices in their head, come to Europe. We’d love to have you and America can be left in rot in the Christian wonderland of intolerance, superstition and general idiocy. PS this is not a guarantee of a visa 😛

  • Gareth

    An open invitation to American Atheists: given that studies have shown that atheists are generally more intelligent, generally better educated and generally less prone to talking in tongues and hearing voices in their head, come to Europe. We’d love to have you and America can be left in rot in the Christian wonderland of intolerance, superstition and general idiocy. PS this is not a guarantee of a visa 😛

  • Gareth

    An open invitation to American Atheists: given that studies have shown that atheists are generally more intelligent, generally better educated and generally less prone to talking in tongues and hearing voices in their head, come to Europe. We’d love to have you and America can be left in rot in the Christian wonderland of intolerance, superstition and general idiocy. PS this is not a guarantee of a visa 😛

  • Marian

    I think a lot of the fear/hatred is connected to the word atheist. ‘Atheist’ comes with all these other ideas people have. Instead of telling people you are atheist, just say you don’t believe in any of that stuff. 
    Personally, I’m not sure. Organized religion is definitely something I don’t stand for and the bible gets most of their stories from other people. The idea of living like a decent person is great. But that’s all religion really should be: teaching people to be decent to others. As for God and an afterlife, I’ll figure it out when I die because no one can really know before then. 

  • Marian

    I think a lot of the fear/hatred is connected to the word atheist. ‘Atheist’ comes with all these other ideas people have. Instead of telling people you are atheist, just say you don’t believe in any of that stuff. 
    Personally, I’m not sure. Organized religion is definitely something I don’t stand for and the bible gets most of their stories from other people. The idea of living like a decent person is great. But that’s all religion really should be: teaching people to be decent to others. As for God and an afterlife, I’ll figure it out when I die because no one can really know before then. 

  • Tipsy

    …here I was hoping for an insightful documentary about how society impacts atheism and vice versa, and instead I get a pile of news clips about atheism bashing.
    Boo.

  • TheSweatyButcher

    only 7 minutes

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  • gast

    Hey, I know this isn’t the best country, but here we have separate the state from church, and even by law, christmas is the Family Day, Easter is The Tourist day, the only valid marriage is the performed by the state, in public schools public (such as hospitals, offices) religion is forbidden (teach, preach, crucifix), and so on….and every body is happy with this (at least most of us), this is since 1917.
    I’m talking about Uruguay, I think it’s the most atheist country in Latin America.
    I hopse US may follow a way to be a more tolerant land and less extremist.

    • SuperLogic

      How is this most tolerant, when any other world view is forbidden?  Sounds intolerant to me.

    • SuperLogic

      How is this most tolerant, when any other world view is forbidden?  Sounds intolerant to me.

      • Inquartata

        Apparently everything sounds intolerant to you. 

        Religion has no place in government, no place in schools. Anyone can practice any religion they want, as long as they don’t push their beliefs on others. No one should be left out just because they don’t believe in the same thing as the majority.THAT is as close to tolerance that you can get in the real world. It is an imperfect system but it sure beats the hell out of letting people preach in schools. I am sure (well, relatively sure) that you would feel just as bad as I would if the KKK could preach in schools or you were forced to swear on a satanist bible in court. School exists to teach facts. To instill knowledge. Faith is called faith because it isn’t knowledge. The government exists to serve the people. ALL of them. The only way to do that realistically (again, imperfect) is to make sure faith of any kind has no part in any decision, just like race or sexual preferences shouldn’t.

    • SuperLogic

      How is this most tolerant, when any other world view is forbidden?  Sounds intolerant to me.

  • gast

    Hey, I know this isn’t the best country, but here we have separate the state from church, and even by law, christmas is the Family Day, Easter is The Tourist day, the only valid marriage is the performed by the state, in public schools public (such as hospitals, offices) religion is forbidden (teach, preach, crucifix), and so on….and every body is happy with this (at least most of us), this is since 1917.
    I’m talking about Uruguay, I think it’s the most atheist country in Latin America.
    I hopse US may follow a way to be a more tolerant land and less extremist.

  • Whatever

    Why do we live in a world were people with bizarre, fictitious and weird imaginations rule?

    • Anonymous

      because they’re happy to kill for those fantasies

      • Clix (ክሊክስ)

        Buddhists are hardly warlike people, and virtually don’t kill in the name of their religion.  But, there is a very much hierarchical system in their midst where some rule the most.  

        Your assertion may be more true for the Abrahamic religions (Christianity, Islam and Judaism), but is not universal.

        • Guest

          Clix, I agree with you about Buddhism.  I’ve never understood why Buddhism is considered a religion.  They don’t have a “God”…anyone can become a Buddha; there have been at least five so far.  The only “faith” I see is in the faith that if they practice their, um, practices, they’ll understand the world better.  Football players (American) have faith that doing push-ups and sit-ups will make them better football players.  (True, some Americans consider Football to be a religion.)

          I don’t know much about their hierarchical system; I know Hindus can treat their own pretty darn poorly, though.

          I feel sort of out of place by not calling you any mames, cussing, or questioning your sexuality.  Hope I’m not banned from this thread!

          • Clix (ክሊክስ)

            Well, religion is often defined as a system of spiritual values.  Buddhism is a system of spiritual values.  You don’t need a deity to have a religion.  That’s why atheism also can be considered a religion, as it is a form of contemplation regarding an immaterial thing (in atheists case to disprove the existence of such immaterial thing, aka God).

            Buddhist, not based on the true philosophies of Buddha, but through tradition have built a hierarchical system as good/bad as any in the world.  Starts for the Dharma King (like the Dali Lama) and the slew of Masters of varying degree.

            Yes, this is a contentious thread, and my theory is that it attracts disproportionate number of ADHDs like me (because the ‘documentary’ is so damn short and incoherent) who are masters of knee-jerk reactions, among which calling names and questioning another’s sexuality is the epitome of deep thought! That’s just how we roll.  You won’t be banned, but you will get very little response, because for ADHDs, well thought out and reasoned points are as familiar as, yes, God.

    • Anonymous

      because they’re happy to kill for those fantasies

    • Clix (ክሊክስ)

      Granted that we all want to rule (ultimate outcome sought), and we’re all vying for such position, the rule of probabilities tells us that they rule because they have beaten us in this game.  That they have beaten us handily since the dawn of civilization, they are equipped better for this game or the game is rigged.

      May be not the answer you’re looking for, but perhaps a rather objective one.

    • Clix (ክሊክስ)

      Granted that we all want to rule (ultimate outcome sought), and we’re all vying for such position, the rule of probabilities tells us that they rule because they have beaten us in this game.  That they have beaten us handily since the dawn of civilization, they are equipped better for this game or the game is rigged.

      May be not the answer you’re looking for, but perhaps a rather objective one.

  • Whatever

    Why do we live in a world were people with bizarre, fictitious and weird imaginations rule?

  • Whatever

    Why do we live in a world were people with bizarre, fictitious and weird imaginations rule?

  • Shane

    Geez, i thought we were backward on the tip of Africa. Why is it that people who don’t believe in the evolution of the Ape tend to look a lot more like apes, just without the social graces of wild monkeys?

  • Brian

    This is pretty horrible… however it’s a very one sided argument here. There are tons of Christians that don’t have a problem treating people the way these people are treated. But I personally have never seen it myself. I have a huge variety of Christian AND Atheist freinds. We all get along just fine. And in my personal experience, about 85% of the time that there is anger or hatred dumped on someone in an argument/discussion between a Christian and an Atheist, it’s been the Atheist that does the dumping…! This pretty much equates to a “poor me” bullcrap story if you ask me. Pieced together from a few horror stories that are few and far between and made to look like Christians are constructing nazzi-like death camps for atheists… kinda far-fetched

    • Smack

      You and your atheist friends probably get along fine because they bite their lip when you speak.  Lot of projecting going on here.  Your perceived atheists dumping hatred and anger on christians is self
      projection.  The whole premise of chritianity is offensive.  There can
      be only one way, through christ, and everything else is going to
      hell/witchcraft.  Great way to start a conversation.

      Look at the history of christianity, crusades, inquisition, Salem witch trials, extermination (what christians called conversion) of native tribes, that whole dark ages thing.  Christians don’t need to construct nazi-death camps when social mores prevent free expression of anything but christanity anyways.  The idea that christians are creating death-camps for non-believers is not that far-fetched. 

      I personally believe in shamanism (beats chrsitianity by like 50000 years) and as a religious attitude, pragmatic agnostic.  If you think this post was dumping on you, you need to evaluate the validity of your beliefs in light of history and test their true strength with reason not what some mythical entity outside of yourself tells you, in a book, written by man, and retranslated multiple times.  I think Gandi said it pretty well – “I like your Christ, I do not like
      your Christians.  Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” 

      • Oksana

        I agree with Gandi. He understood that Christ would never agree with those people calling themselves christians, would he? God would judge them the same way like atheistic regimes killing more than 20 Mio of people only in Soviet Union.

        People are evil – but what can you expect of the products of evolution 😉

        • Smack

          Few things here…. one, there was no such a thing as an “atheistic regime” in soviet union.  They were communist; political, not religious.  Communist does not equal atheist, unless you believe capitalism is godliness.  From my understanding communism would be more in line with christs ideals anyways.  That thing about love of money being the root of all evil. 

          Two, whoever was there in the Soviet Union, they were not killing people because they believed in god.  Whereas, Christians killed people because they didn’t believe in god.  Its the ones that believe in god that do the killing, it’s an offense to not believe.  Lets also keep in mind time frames, Soviet Union atrocities were committed over the past 100 years or so where as christians have been murdering in the name of christ for 1000-1500 years.

          Lastly,  good and evil have nothing to do with evolution.  Evolution as it’s core is genetic response to changing environmental conditions.  People are not evil, sometimes the things that go on in their minds that then lead to actions which harm others could be considered evil, still nothing to do with evolution.  It’s not evil when a tiger eats a gazzelle, it’s part of evolution.  Gazzelle’s with genes that allow them to run faster survive.  If you want to be a human, be a human not an animal with a mythical god defending your actions.  Use reason and you will see that compassion is the highest.  Check out Matthew 5:43-48, it states that god provides for the just and unjust alike, why should you be any less?

          Slightly off topic but still relevant is the story of eden in the bible.  God told adam and eve to not eat from the tree of knowledge, but that presupposed an understanding of what it means to go against gods will.  Makes no sense at all.  How could they know to disobey god is evil, when they didn’t even have knowledge of good and evil.

          Oh and one more thing, I don’t think Christ would like anyone calling themselves christians.  From what the story is he wouldn’t be vain-glorious.  I read “I am the only way” to mean “I AM – the only way” as in the sheer act of being…. I am.  Cut the mythical nonsense and see yourself clearly.  While this response was to you Oksana, I didn’t mean that you were not compassionate or don’t see yourself clearly, just people in general.  I don’t know you, but best of luck in all endeavors.

          • Oksana

            Thanks for reply. I come from soviet union – regime persecuting independent thought and putting in prison for faith – one form of dictating what truth should be and who is clever. 

            Evolution has nothing to do with evil – agree completely – you can believe in God or in evolution or in bee Maja – human heart and nature are the roots of evil. And there were many in the past misusing ‘Reason’ defending the actions’.

            If somebody cannot make a difference between drug and no drug – and only by experiencing gets involved – the same way with adam i think. He had free choice giving by God. 

            God is not provable with our technic but a is a matter of believe (nothing to do with intelligence) – and this is a great thing! We still have free will believe or not. Why cannot we leave it like this? 

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Drew-Jordan-Maharaj/1651620050 Drew-Jordan Maharaj

            believing something you can’t provide evidence for has a lot to do with intelligence, or at least with lacking it.

          • Vvrite2me

            Is believing in something you can not prove , NOt a faith, or a very strong belief?

          • FeRD

            “Is believing in something you can not prove , NOt a faith, or a very strong belief?”

            No, it isn’t.

            This comes down to the same issue as the frequent confusion over the scientific term “theory”. There are some things we will almost certainly NEVER be able to prove, in the scientific sense. The Big Bang theory is the classic example. That doesn’t make them dismissible as “just opinions” (a favorite argument of Creationists), or require that we accept them on “faith”.

            It’s almost certainly impossible to PROVE that the Big Bang ocurred. That’s why it will likely remain a Theory forever, unless of course it’s either DIS-proven (which remains possible, even though it can’t be proven), or another theory is put forth that better fits our knowledge and observations about the universe.

            The reason why is simple: we weren’t present all those billions of years ago. If it was possible for ANY entity to have been present, then that’s far beyond everything we’ve encountered. Indeed, it’s far beyond our entire understanding of the physical universe. We can’t say “for sure” — meaning, we can’t PROVE what occurred.

            But there’s ample evidence that supports the Big Bang theory. And for the unsupported aspects, the gaps in evidence are just that… gaps. Things we haven’t found any concrete evidence of, but also no contradictory evidence. If we do find contradictory evidence, then the theory is simply wrong, and either has to be adjusted to take into account the new facts or completely thrown out.

            That, right there, is one of the clearest lines between science and faith: True scientific thinking ALWAYS allows for the possibility of being wrong, of new data or simply new ways of thinking that can demonstrate, to a reasonable degree of certainty, that what we “think we know” isn’t entirely accurate. ANYTHING and EVERYTHING is open to being questioned, to being challenged, and ultimately to being disproved by a sufficient body of evidence to the contrary.

            It doesn’t take “faith” or even “strong belief” to put stock in such things, despite the fact that they can’t be rigorously proven. Science holds “proof” to an extremely high standard, far too high to make it the determining criterion for what we’ll accept as truth.

            “Faith” is required for beliefs that aren’t supported by evidence, or by investigation. The Collaborative International Dictionary’s definition #1 puts it best:
            “Faith, n.: Belief; the assent of the mind to the truth of what is declared by another, resting solely and implicitly on his authority and veracity; reliance on testimony.”

            Believing in something despite the fact that there’s no evidence that supports it, or too little evidence to justify the conclusion, or in the face of contradicting evidence? THAT takes faith.

            (And by “evidence” I’m referring to hard evidence — direct, repeatable demonstrations based on physical principles, not creative ways to misinterpret observations. Bill O’Reilly’s, “The tide comes in, the tide goes out” is not any sort of EVIDENCE of the existence of god, despite what he seems to think. It *is* evidence of the gravitational interrelationship between the Earth and its moon, but don’t bother trying to tell him that.)

          • http://www.facebook.com/raodhammer Road Hammer

            I bring 10001 reason and prove God is here and there. seems like you didnt talk to the right person Dude. 

          • oksana

            If you mean by proof showing you the God-formula, so no, God is beyond physic, biology or whatever. I believe in God because i see his hand in the universe – all creatures designed by one Tuner. Amazing laws of macro and micro world, construction of universe, human brain.
            To believe in Evolution requires more faith – Evolution is highly hypothetical staff, based on assumptions and those assumptions based on billions on years.
            I studied Evolution myself, you need a good power of imagination…

          • oksana

            If you mean by proof showing you the God-formula, so no, God is beyond physic, biology or whatever. I believe in God because i see his hand in the universe – all creatures designed by one Tuner. Amazing laws of macro and micro world, construction of universe, human brain.
            To believe in Evolution requires more faith – Evolution is highly hypothetical staff, based on assumptions and those assumptions based on billions on years.
            I studied Evolution myself, you need a good power of imagination…

          • guest

            If you think that you’ve studied evolution and you think that it’s based on assumptions, you haven’t studied evolution.

          • guest

            If you think that you’ve studied evolution and you think that it’s based on assumptions, you haven’t studied evolution.

          • oksana

            If you mean by proof showing you the God-formula, so no, God is beyond physic, biology or whatever. I believe in God because i see his hand in the universe – all creatures designed by one Tuner. Amazing laws of macro and micro world, construction of universe, human brain.
            To believe in Evolution requires more faith – Evolution is highly hypothetical staff, based on assumptions and those assumptions based on billions on years.
            I studied Evolution myself, you need a good power of imagination…

          • oksana
          • Smack

            Your example of the soviet union still does not equate to athesists persecuting people.  I know it’s horrifying to think of people being godless if you believe in one.  Probably because you can’t think of why they would do good without god.  The old mindset; god is good so no god is bad.  I don’t believe in god, but I’m a good person because I have to live with myself.  God’s got nothing to do with it.  One step further (which is think is true in this case), your type of good dependent on god is not really good at all.  Would you still be good without the threat of gods wrath?

            There is nothing in nature that is evil, it’s a purely human concept. Kittens=good, snakes=bad?  Not really.  Maybe your human heart has evil in it because you believe in god.  If there is an ultimate good (god) then there must be an ultimate evil.

            You statement about adam did not address my point that the story is flawed.  How could adam know without first trying.  Sure he’s got free will by god, but he must do what god says?  That’s not free will.  Unconditional love, but with conditions. That’s not real.

            It seems that you are under the misunderstanding that science is just a matter of belief.  Its not.  Planes don’t fly because we believe they will.  It’s because of observable phenomena.  Gravity, air pressures, etc…   Science does not equal religion.  I would recommend looking up the scientific method.

          • Chowdapuff

            “Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of Atheism.” – Vladimir Lenin (he was a pretty big communist/atheist)

          • Smack

            It was even considered propaganda, a tool, not an actual belief, and you seem to equate communism with atheism.  One is political and the other religious.  They are not the same.  Communists also use christian propaganda too.  Currently, Cuba is considered catholic and communist.

          • Smack

            It was even considered propaganda, a tool, not an actual belief, and you seem to equate communism with atheism.  One is political and the other religious.  They are not the same.  Communists also use christian propaganda too.  Currently, Cuba is considered catholic and communist.

          • Smack

            Your example of the soviet union still does not equate to athesists persecuting people.  I know it’s horrifying to think of people being godless if you believe in one.  Probably because you can’t think of why they would do good without god.  The old mindset; god is good so no god is bad.  I don’t believe in god, but I’m a good person because I have to live with myself.  God’s got nothing to do with it.  One step further (which is think is true in this case), your type of good dependent on god is not really good at all.  Would you still be good without the threat of gods wrath?

            There is nothing in nature that is evil, it’s a purely human concept. Kittens=good, snakes=bad?  Not really.  Maybe your human heart has evil in it because you believe in god.  If there is an ultimate good (god) then there must be an ultimate evil.

            You statement about adam did not address my point that the story is flawed.  How could adam know without first trying.  Sure he’s got free will by god, but he must do what god says?  That’s not free will.  Unconditional love, but with conditions. That’s not real.

            It seems that you are under the misunderstanding that science is just a matter of belief.  Its not.  Planes don’t fly because we believe they will.  It’s because of observable phenomena.  Gravity, air pressures, etc…   Science does not equal religion.  I would recommend looking up the scientific method.

          • Oksana

            Thanks for reply. I come from soviet union – regime persecuting independent thought and putting in prison for faith – one form of dictating what truth should be and who is clever. 

            Evolution has nothing to do with evil – agree completely – you can believe in God or in evolution or in bee Maja – human heart and nature are the roots of evil. And there were many in the past misusing ‘Reason’ defending the actions’.

            If somebody cannot make a difference between drug and no drug – and only by experiencing gets involved – the same way with adam i think. He had free choice giving by God. 

            God is not provable with our technic but a is a matter of believe (nothing to do with intelligence) – and this is a great thing! We still have free will believe or not. Why cannot we leave it like this? 

      • SuperLogic

        Your comment here is fully of inaccuracies and exaggerations.  Like your Salem Witch trials, that one’s always popular, how many people were killed?  19!   Try basing your arguments on reality and facts instead of your wild imagination.   Try reading these articles.

        Christianity is the most persecuted religion in the world, and much of
        it done by atheists.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians

        http://www.thestar.com/news/insight/article/901492–christianity-arguably-the-most-persecuted-religion-in-the-world

      • SuperLogic

        Your comment here is fully of inaccuracies and exaggerations.  Like your Salem Witch trials, that one’s always popular, how many people were killed?  19!   Try basing your arguments on reality and facts instead of your wild imagination.   Try reading these articles.

        Christianity is the most persecuted religion in the world, and much of
        it done by atheists.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians

        http://www.thestar.com/news/insight/article/901492–christianity-arguably-the-most-persecuted-religion-in-the-world

      • SuperLogic

        Your comment here is fully of inaccuracies and exaggerations.  Like your Salem Witch trials, that one’s always popular, how many people were killed?  19!   Try basing your arguments on reality and facts instead of your wild imagination.   Try reading these articles.

        Christianity is the most persecuted religion in the world, and much of
        it done by atheists.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians

        http://www.thestar.com/news/insight/article/901492–christianity-arguably-the-most-persecuted-religion-in-the-world

        • Smack

          Since you could only point out one so called inaccuracy or exaggeration…  Salem Witch trials.  I guess it’s okay for you to kill only 19 people since they might have been witch’s and non-christians.  But the 6 million native americans and countless other natives might be another story.  And the mentality of killing and ostracizing non-christians from the early day of the US is still present today, as seen in this short vid these comments are below.  I also notice you said nothing of the inquisition, crusades, or the dark ages.  Guess christians are not responsible for what is done in christs name.  Fk off with your propaganda, I’ve read those articles and they are
          biased.  The second article even says in the title ‘arguably’.  Its all
          christ-wash.   Lol, superlogic…. lackoflogic.  Superideolog.  Fking christians.

          • SuperLogic

            You must be one of those “most tolerant” atheists they are referring to.  :oP   Course only tolerant of those you agree with. 
            And as you are not able to rationally, intelligently and politely comment without profanity, your comments are not worth responding to, and have been flagged.

          • Inquartata

            I just hope YOU stay the course and follow your own advice. Expecting to get some feedback to my other questions eventually.

            Oh, and serious question: Does your username imply that that your are “beyond logic”? It could be interprated as such… 

          • Inquartata

            I just hope YOU stay the course and follow your own advice. Expecting to get some feedback to my other questions eventually.

            Oh, and serious question: Does your username imply that that your are “beyond logic”? It could be interprated as such… 

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AB72XZIIGTWC6E767WHTH6DHIM Kahina

            SuperLogic is clearly a TROLL.  Please stop feeding the trolls.

          • Inquartata

            Poe’s Law. Nuff said. Better to err on the side of caution because even if he is, there is a very good chance that someone might come along who ACTUALLY believes what he is saying…and gets validation through him.

        • Inquartata

          You sure love those two links, spamming them everywhere. 

          IF you would take the time to actually read the text in your own links and follow the links in the text you would notice that the first text speaks of atheistic communist totalitarian states. The reason they mention atheistic is because they gave religious examples previously. 

          Read. The. Links. Read about the history. Why did it happen? Was it at all about atheism? No.

          Oh, and your second link has NOTHING about atheists persecuting christians. NOTHING. It is just religions fighting eachother! IN YOUR OWN LINK!

          >much of it done by atheists.

          Yeah, you’re right. Lots of it is….oh wait…no you’re not! You’re just making things up! Playing the victim! 

          Now look, something like 85% of population of America is Christian.  You are deluded if you actually think that Christians in america are being persecuted. Deluded. I am sorry but you need to get some kind of idea. 

          The good news is, all you have to do is to prove me wrong. Google. Bing. Whatever. The facts are out there. All of them, not just one side! Every time you find something that you disagree with, find facts to refute it. Look at the other side critically. Then look at everything critically. Then wake up, because if you cannot find facts to support your position while the other side can…then there is a very real chance your opinion is not very well-informed.

        • Inquartata

          You sure love those two links, spamming them everywhere. 

          IF you would take the time to actually read the text in your own links and follow the links in the text you would notice that the first text speaks of atheistic communist totalitarian states. The reason they mention atheistic is because they gave religious examples previously. 

          Read. The. Links. Read about the history. Why did it happen? Was it at all about atheism? No.

          Oh, and your second link has NOTHING about atheists persecuting christians. NOTHING. It is just religions fighting eachother! IN YOUR OWN LINK!

          >much of it done by atheists.

          Yeah, you’re right. Lots of it is….oh wait…no you’re not! You’re just making things up! Playing the victim! 

          Now look, something like 85% of population of America is Christian.  You are deluded if you actually think that Christians in america are being persecuted. Deluded. I am sorry but you need to get some kind of idea. 

          The good news is, all you have to do is to prove me wrong. Google. Bing. Whatever. The facts are out there. All of them, not just one side! Every time you find something that you disagree with, find facts to refute it. Look at the other side critically. Then look at everything critically. Then wake up, because if you cannot find facts to support your position while the other side can…then there is a very real chance your opinion is not very well-informed.

        • Kurt Smith

          You’re right 19 that’s nothing. But some cult’s imaginary god destroyed all life on earth. Now that is mass murder on a supernatural scale. Good thing it was only an imaginary god.

          • SuperLogic

            Not sure what you are referring to, Noah and the Ark??    The only problem with that logic is, if he created life, then he is the only one that has the right to take it as well.    Atheists like Stalin and Lenin do not have that right, but are delusional in that obviously think they do.

  • Factionearth

    There’s more proof that aliens exist than god does.

  • Factionearth

    There’s more proof that aliens exist than god does.

  • Oksana

    You joking me –  By showing few famous faces you claim that atheists are generally “more intelligent and better educated”! Sorry – do i miss some info maybe? Has somebody proved that there is no God from scientific point of view ? If you’re are 100% convinced by evolution – which is called Theory – that you are the same religious people. You’re assuming by faith that live started once from nothing and there is no designer just a millions of years which made the job. Sorry but in the last decades – the whole achievement of evolution study – were adding billions of years to catch up with complexity of live and universe. 
    May i ask all “more intelligent and better educated” people how did they managed to explain the logical fact of eternity hammering in our brain that we always be able to see just a small piece of picture. Give me the smallest and biggest number …….  and if you can’t, then, maybe, it will be possible in a billions of years – who knows – hopefully we will be more clever someday to explain everything by not only adding years…

    But for now let just believe in evolution and pray: “Hopefully there is no God …Amen”

    • Gareth

      Taking your different points in turn, Oksana:

      1) There is quite a large body of literature which investigates relative levels of ignorance with respect to different belief systems. Atheists score better than funadamental monotheists. So yes, you’ve missed quite a lot of sociological information.

      2) Of course no one can, by definition, prove that God does not exist. To make that point shows that you’ve not made even the most cursory attempt to engage with these debates.  One cannot disprove teapots orbiting in the asteroid belts, that fairies exist at the bottom of your garden or that there is an invisible spaghetti monster in the sky. An inability to disprove the existence of such things is no good reason to believe in their existence, just as with god.

      3) You compound your display of ignorance by asserting that evolution is “just a theory”. Electromagnetism and quantum mechanics are “just  theories”. No one doubts that these theories are accurate because they explain natural phonemona, and are the reason you are able to use a computer to write silly messages. Similarly, evolution works and explains such an overwhelming number of natural phonemena, such as the intermediates in the fossil records, the geographic distribution of species, the distribution of genetic material among species, the complexity of life emerging from more simple forms, that if you are willing to seriously doubt it, you are not a serious person.
      4) No scientist “assumes by faith that life started from nothing”. Firstly, no scientist will assert that they know how life started. Ignorance is a virtue in science. The same cannot be said about religion. Moreover, scientists would never suggest that life started from nothing. The question of how life started is more accurately phrased as: how did inorganic chemistry transform into organic chemistry. Theories regarding this transformation are tentative at best. However, experimental evidence has shown that if you create conditions similar to those that existed on the early Earth, inorganic compounds can produce adenine, one of nucleobases of DNA.  Moreover, the God explanation is worse than no explanation: you attempt to explain a relatively simple concept in chemistry by positing a significantly more complex answer, God. If you say that God intelligently designed life (which any anatomist will tell is a ridiculous proposition) you are left requiring an explanation of God.

      5) Unfortunately the rest of your message is unintelligible. I suggest you go do some reading. Even a little will clarify many of the misapprehensions under which you current reside. But fear not, knowledge is power and the “theory” of evolution means that you have a brain big enough to empower yourself… i think 😀 

      • Oksana

        That’s great – thanks for taking time for me…

        I would like to comment again – hopefully my
        different view would not offend anyone.

         

        I would be very careful saying that atheist have a
        lower levels of ignorance having in mind Jakobins in France, Soviet Union and
        other communistic regimes, intellectual connection between Hitler and natural
        selection. The history saying atheists can be as intolerant and brutal as any
        other religion fundamentals. Religion and atheism – both have hands in blood …
        and don’t tell me atheists can lead in a better world by scoring better in
        modern researches.

         

        Again – to say atheists are more clever and
        intelligent is a pure Eugenic.

         

        The problem is not bad atheists or bad religion but humans
        nature itself. What evolution saying about it by the way? Are we evolving to be
        better people? Is the moral code evolving and changing as well? If so, then
        this is a tentative morality – far from ideal – based on temporary ‘rational’
        thought.

         

        Atheism has become religion itself. This is believe in
        a negative. Isn’t it? Can you disprove God – if not you can’t be 100% atheist.

         

        Can you go beyond the big bang ? Why believe in
        Creator is loveable then ? What contradiction is in believing in God and to be
        a scientist ? Believe in God does not discourage independent thought. Creator
        who put a brilliant program in place to make this world working – physical
        laws, design and great beauty. Is it operation of a big idea – and thanks for
        example with computer – that would never work without a human creator.

         

        I’m struggling to understand why Evolution has become
        more than only a biological concept. It claims to be universal and explain
        everything. I don’t see evolution in a history or in science. Science develops
        in denying the previous ideas and turning them on the head, in reviewing things
        radically and putting them in a very different direction (what surely will
        happen with evolution some day when its limited view becomes clear enough).

         

        Scientific conclusion can never be absolutely
        certain!

         

        I agree that variation and micro evolution are taking
        place every day. I don’t believe in Marco Evolution based on mutation. Mutation
        might probably work if it took just one gene to make and control one part of
        body but its an illusion – every single part of living creatures are controlled
        by thousand of genes. All parts of body should be in place to make it work. All
        observing mutations are fatal or can be just harmful without any consequences.

        If mutation built all species – it might be a lot of
        intermediates proving this. The whole earth should be full of transitional
        forms of fossils records working in progress. Archeopteryx is a full functional
        creature with high developed flying apparat and not a middle thing between
        reptile and bird – it is a flying Dino.

         

        Evolution cannot explain where the novelty originated
        from – no evidence of beginning. In the contrary – the fossils show that the
        oldest forms are more complex than the modern ones – if so – evolution is a
        myth. Vanishing vestigials in humans have been proved recently as necessary for
        good bacteria and immune system and modern human will miss them strongly.

         

        If you’re interested in other “view” hold of another ton
        of scientists….

        http://www.newgeology.us/presentation32.html

         

        Let Bible speak
        for itself:

        “…what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made
        it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible
        qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being
        understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.” Romans
        1.

        • BPM

          “Again – to say atheists are more clever and intelligent is a pure Eugenic.”

          I disagree. Eugeneics has to do with the variations between differently evolved groups of humans. No one says athiests are better evolved that thiests, since athiests appear in every human group.  

          Once more, cleaver and intelligent does not always preclude intolerant and brutal. However I would say that basing your belief systems on rationality is probably a good indicator that you do the same with other aspects of you life.

          Additionally, there certainly can be cleaver and intelligent thiests. There are even a small minority of decent thiest scientists. Even cleaver people can be diluded. In fact the whole point of the scientific method is to filter out the inaccuracies introduced by human dilusions. Scientists do experiments to varify things we think we know, such as heavy things fall faster than light things. EVERYONE knew that, until the scientific method and experiment disproved it.

          Religion is mostly unfalsifiable (by design) and therefore not part of the scientific sphere. If I cannot do an experiment to test my beliefs, then we cannot judge if they are accurate.

          So in that respect both are just beliefs, or ‘religions’ as thiests like to say.

          However there is a principle in science that says the simpliest theory tends to be correct. Religion add a huge layer of complexity in its attempt to explain the universe, while at the same time adding a good deal more unanswered questions. (Religion does truly explain the origin of the universe or life, it simply shifts the lump in the carpet up a level. Who then created god, angels, etc.?)

          So all things being equal, athiesm coupled with scientific theory regarding cosmology and evolution explain far more. The burden is on those suggesting the more complex answer is correct to provide a convincing reason.

          Of course religon does not do that, it resorts to tradition, intimidation, fear and irrationality to do so. Rationality very rarely enters the debate.

          Who would objectively follow such a religion?
          If true, the universe is then constructed at every turn to trick us into doubt – right down to unbelievable levels of measurement, countered only by evidenceless and contadictory hearsay. And for believing the rock solid evidence the loving god has planted, he will torture you forever.

          If I die and such a god exists, I would certainly still not be a follower, even if offered a chance.

          • [email protected]

            Ha, ha!

            You’re universe was just a giant practical joke!

            And ’cause you fell for it, I’m going to set you on fire.

            Love, G

          • [email protected]

            Ha, ha!

            You’re universe was just a giant practical joke!

            And ’cause you fell for it, I’m going to set you on fire.

            Love, G

          • [email protected]

            Ha, ha!

            You’re universe was just a giant practical joke!

            And ’cause you fell for it, I’m going to set you on fire.

            Love, G

          • [email protected]

            Ha, ha!

            You’re universe was just a giant practical joke!

            And ’cause you fell for it, I’m going to set you on fire.

            Love, G

          • oksana

            In think the universe is constructed the way to bring us to think and to realise there must be a constructor.
             God is beyond religion. I don’t want to have any religion but faith in great and amazing God. His nature, that small piece we can observe, is already unimaginable by human brain – dimensions of cosmos or even micro cosmos of biology. He allows us to see and to understand more and more despite the fact of human arrogance of denying him. I think if God exist, we torture him and fool ourselves.

          • BPM

            Discus, your interface is the worst. Sorry in advance for spelling and such. So, at the risk of starting a debate that I probably won’t return to…

            “In think the universe is constructed the way to bring us to think and to realise there must be a constructor.”
            Really? In what way? Just scratch the surface of just about anything, and in fact the evidence is for the reverse. Despite the intelligently designed appearance, there are plenty of examples of poor design in humans and other creatures that is best explained by evolution. If there was a constructor, why are there vestigial organs? Why to nerves take inefficient detours in their routes?
            What about the fossil record? Is that all one of those planted tricks? Why does the fossil record show decendents radiating from the locations of their evolutionary precursers? Why not a random distribution in time and location? Why no rabbits in the precambrian?
            Why the eons of time before us? Why mass extinctions? Why only simple creatures in the distant past and complexity later? How does that lead us to realise there must be a constructor? Is it just my arrogance leading me to deny it?

            “God is beyond religion. I don’t want to have any religion but faith in great and amazing God.”
            Faith in god IS religion. You simply reject organized religon because it’s positions have become untenable. This protects you further from rational discourse, becuase you reject anything concrete (unless you have invented your own theory.) I suggest you don’t want to have any [organized] religion because so much of the crazy beliefs look crazy in the light of today’s knowledge. So in your version what happened? From people like this I hear that they ‘don’t really believe in Noah or that kind of stuff, but god sure did create the Earth five thousand years ago.’ (Just reject the clearly impossible stuff. A la carte religon.) All the way to simply ‘god caused the big bang, and the rest is just like what it looks like.’ (Just one more step and you are me!)

            “His nature, that small piece we can observe, is already unimaginable by human brain – dimensions of cosmos or even micro cosmos of biology.”
            Read some science! You would be pretty amazed by what the human brain has deciphered about the universe. You type your message to me on a computer that could not exist if the human brain did not understand the workings of subatomic physics. We now detect planets that circle stars trillions of kilometers from earth, and if we had the budget to proceed we could be observing the atmosphere of those planets and potentially detecting life. Humans have already written the entire genome of a living organism, a human created life form – not a genetically modified organism, but one entirely designed on a computer and its dna assembled by a machine.
            Reality being unimaginable does not stop us, thats why the scientific method is so valuable. No one expected or believed relativity and what it means for the nature of the universe (read about the details of that sometime – wow!) but there is no denying logic and evidence. I think it would be far easier for scientists to accept evidence for god than relativity. Remember, in the beginning most scientists were religious! Read about the origins of modern science in Natural Philosophy.
            “He allows us to see and to understand more and more despite the fact of human arrogance of denying him.”
            What do you think the logic would be for that? Why would we possibly deny a plausable theory for the existance of the universe out of arrogance? If a scientist came up with convincing evidence for god he or she would be a giant in science, and it would change the direction of investigation forever. Say we find an organized message hidden in the value of Pi (thanks Arthur C. Clarke!). That could have only one origin, and would be proof positive of some intelligence behind the very fabric of the cosmos. Would science deny it out of arrogance? Nonsense. It would be a bigger revolution in science than anything before. Science would simply start investigating god in a rational and scientific manner.
            It wouldn’t even need to be so dramatic, of course. All we really need is a testable prediction. For instance, there have been studies of the power of prayer, conducted like a drug trial, and of course the predicted benefits did not appear. Prayer tests just as well as water dowsers and palm readers.
            You call those who do not accept your non-evidence ‘arrogant’. Right up there with ‘eletist’. It’s nothing but a rejection of reason. When I hear things like that, it read it as… “It doesn’t matter that it doesn’t make sense, just stop being a dick and believe.”

            “I think if God exist, we torture him and fool ourselves.”
            Scientists work under the best intentions, and simply strive to understand the universe given the evidence at hand along with the incredibly successful and proven tools of the scientific method and human reason.
            All he has to do is stop the game and say hi.

          • BPM

            Discus, your interface is the worst. Sorry in advance for spelling and such. So, at the risk of starting a debate that I probably won’t return to…

            “In think the universe is constructed the way to bring us to think and to realise there must be a constructor.”
            Really? In what way? Just scratch the surface of just about anything, and in fact the evidence is for the reverse. Despite the intelligently designed appearance, there are plenty of examples of poor design in humans and other creatures that is best explained by evolution. If there was a constructor, why are there vestigial organs? Why to nerves take inefficient detours in their routes?
            What about the fossil record? Is that all one of those planted tricks? Why does the fossil record show decendents radiating from the locations of their evolutionary precursers? Why not a random distribution in time and location? Why no rabbits in the precambrian?
            Why the eons of time before us? Why mass extinctions? Why only simple creatures in the distant past and complexity later? How does that lead us to realise there must be a constructor? Is it just my arrogance leading me to deny it?

            “God is beyond religion. I don’t want to have any religion but faith in great and amazing God.”
            Faith in god IS religion. You simply reject organized religon because it’s positions have become untenable. This protects you further from rational discourse, becuase you reject anything concrete (unless you have invented your own theory.) I suggest you don’t want to have any [organized] religion because so much of the crazy beliefs look crazy in the light of today’s knowledge. So in your version what happened? From people like this I hear that they ‘don’t really believe in Noah or that kind of stuff, but god sure did create the Earth five thousand years ago.’ (Just reject the clearly impossible stuff. A la carte religon.) All the way to simply ‘god caused the big bang, and the rest is just like what it looks like.’ (Just one more step and you are me!)

            “His nature, that small piece we can observe, is already unimaginable by human brain – dimensions of cosmos or even micro cosmos of biology.”
            Read some science! You would be pretty amazed by what the human brain has deciphered about the universe. You type your message to me on a computer that could not exist if the human brain did not understand the workings of subatomic physics. We now detect planets that circle stars trillions of kilometers from earth, and if we had the budget to proceed we could be observing the atmosphere of those planets and potentially detecting life. Humans have already written the entire genome of a living organism, a human created life form – not a genetically modified organism, but one entirely designed on a computer and its dna assembled by a machine.
            Reality being unimaginable does not stop us, thats why the scientific method is so valuable. No one expected or believed relativity and what it means for the nature of the universe (read about the details of that sometime – wow!) but there is no denying logic and evidence. I think it would be far easier for scientists to accept evidence for god than relativity. Remember, in the beginning most scientists were religious! Read about the origins of modern science in Natural Philosophy.
            “He allows us to see and to understand more and more despite the fact of human arrogance of denying him.”
            What do you think the logic would be for that? Why would we possibly deny a plausable theory for the existance of the universe out of arrogance? If a scientist came up with convincing evidence for god he or she would be a giant in science, and it would change the direction of investigation forever. Say we find an organized message hidden in the value of Pi (thanks Arthur C. Clarke!). That could have only one origin, and would be proof positive of some intelligence behind the very fabric of the cosmos. Would science deny it out of arrogance? Nonsense. It would be a bigger revolution in science than anything before. Science would simply start investigating god in a rational and scientific manner.
            It wouldn’t even need to be so dramatic, of course. All we really need is a testable prediction. For instance, there have been studies of the power of prayer, conducted like a drug trial, and of course the predicted benefits did not appear. Prayer tests just as well as water dowsers and palm readers.
            You call those who do not accept your non-evidence ‘arrogant’. Right up there with ‘eletist’. It’s nothing but a rejection of reason. When I hear things like that, it read it as… “It doesn’t matter that it doesn’t make sense, just stop being a dick and believe.”

            “I think if God exist, we torture him and fool ourselves.”
            Scientists work under the best intentions, and simply strive to understand the universe given the evidence at hand along with the incredibly successful and proven tools of the scientific method and human reason.
            All he has to do is stop the game and say hi.

          • realtalk

            Science searches for answers, and considering we were given a conscious mind that questions where do I come from, your are ignoring the most beautiful and wonderful thing “god” has given you, your ability to think. You stall your development by sticking to one story, religion and god, that has no proven or concrete base. Intelligence is the search for knowledge and truth, and until you can prove your god to be true then you should learn to be intelligent enough not to speak of something you cannot prove.  

        • BPM

          “Again – to say atheists are more clever and intelligent is a pure Eugenic.”

          I disagree. Eugeneics has to do with the variations between differently evolved groups of humans. No one says athiests are better evolved that thiests, since athiests appear in every human group.  

          Once more, cleaver and intelligent does not always preclude intolerant and brutal. However I would say that basing your belief systems on rationality is probably a good indicator that you do the same with other aspects of you life.

          Additionally, there certainly can be cleaver and intelligent thiests. There are even a small minority of decent thiest scientists. Even cleaver people can be diluded. In fact the whole point of the scientific method is to filter out the inaccuracies introduced by human dilusions. Scientists do experiments to varify things we think we know, such as heavy things fall faster than light things. EVERYONE knew that, until the scientific method and experiment disproved it.

          Religion is mostly unfalsifiable (by design) and therefore not part of the scientific sphere. If I cannot do an experiment to test my beliefs, then we cannot judge if they are accurate.

          So in that respect both are just beliefs, or ‘religions’ as thiests like to say.

          However there is a principle in science that says the simpliest theory tends to be correct. Religion add a huge layer of complexity in its attempt to explain the universe, while at the same time adding a good deal more unanswered questions. (Religion does truly explain the origin of the universe or life, it simply shifts the lump in the carpet up a level. Who then created god, angels, etc.?)

          So all things being equal, athiesm coupled with scientific theory regarding cosmology and evolution explain far more. The burden is on those suggesting the more complex answer is correct to provide a convincing reason.

          Of course religon does not do that, it resorts to tradition, intimidation, fear and irrationality to do so. Rationality very rarely enters the debate.

          Who would objectively follow such a religion?
          If true, the universe is then constructed at every turn to trick us into doubt – right down to unbelievable levels of measurement, countered only by evidenceless and contadictory hearsay. And for believing the rock solid evidence the loving god has planted, he will torture you forever.

          If I die and such a god exists, I would certainly still not be a follower, even if offered a chance.

        • http://www.facebook.com/raodhammer Road Hammer

          because they dont believe anything to defend Dude, thats why they are so torolente 

      • BPM

        “…how did inorganic chemistry transform into organic chemistry…”

        Just add Carbon. :-)

      • BPM

        “…how did inorganic chemistry transform into organic chemistry…”

        Just add Carbon. :-)

      • BPM

        “…how did inorganic chemistry transform into organic chemistry…”

        Just add Carbon. :-)

        • oksana

          i’ll try it by the next body resurrection 😉

      • Smack

        Adenine in outerspace – h*tp://astrobiology.arc.nasa.gov/news/expandnews.cfm?id=306

      • Smack

        Adenine in outerspace – h*tp://astrobiology.arc.nasa.gov/news/expandnews.cfm?id=306

    • Smack

      I responded to your comment to me below, but then I read this and come to the conclusion you are not serious, using sarcasm to project and try and protect your own flimsy point of view.  You need to leave bible class and hit the science class.  Its obvious you have no understanding of science at all.  Science changes in respond to new information, religion becomes more entrenched and violent when new information questions it’s basic assumptions.

      But for now lets just believe in intelligent design and pray: “Hopefully there is a god…. Amen”  because I can’t think for myself and can’t use reason properly.  For instance, you can’t prove god doesn’t exist so it must exist. That’s not using reason properly, so yes atheists are generally more intelligent and better educated.

      • Oksana

        intelligent design is using the same scientific methods to describe the nature by not denying existence of God who, due to their understanding, can exist. 
        Did you measure education or intelligence level of those people ? On what scientific proofs is your statement based ? And why i cannot be sarcastic in response to arrogance doubting intelligence of people thinking different.I’m curious now what science class should i hit ?

        • Smack

          Intelligent design does not use the same scientific methods.  I would recommend a basic science class if you can’t understand that.  

        • Smack

          Intelligent design does not use the same scientific methods.  I would recommend a basic science class if you can’t understand that.  

          • oksana

            the interpretation of the results matters.
            i have more than one university degree and still not convinced by evolution.http://www.newgeology.us/presentation32.html

          • Smack

            I looked at your website and it’s just cherry picking a few statements and molding them in a way that will support a god.  I will stick with peer reviewed articles, the general consensus of the wider scientific community, and my sense of reason thank you.

        • Smack

          Intelligent design does not use the same scientific methods.  I would recommend a basic science class if you can’t understand that.  

        • BPM

          I have to admit I thought that there was a lot to think about after I read Micheal Behe’s book Black Box. It was the first time I was really challanged on a level I could appreciate.

          It did cause some waves, but I think that it has been addresses quite well in the literature. Natural selectiona and time are a powerful combination.

  • antipodean

    Australians don’t speak to each other like this, much less publicly. Sure there is religious persecution just like everywhere else on earth but it isn’t common. I’m middle age and have never been witness to it. Live and let live.

  • Vvrite2me

    you still seem confused in your video, maybe its just camera nerves, 
    Religion or no religion, If you live your life doing what you know is right, and not doing what you know is wrong. Some people need religion, I guess thats their strength of faith. Maybe in some things the right and wrong is all in our heads. Let us who do not believe, Not be the one to demoralize others for what they do?

  • Vvrite2me

    you still seem confused in your video, maybe its just camera nerves, 
    Religion or no religion, If you live your life doing what you know is right, and not doing what you know is wrong. Some people need religion, I guess thats their strength of faith. Maybe in some things the right and wrong is all in our heads. Let us who do not believe, Not be the one to demoralize others for what they do?

  • http://www.facebook.com/raodhammer Road Hammer

    good…what they do is good. and thus who saying American Atheists are more intelligent say noting but bowl. smart and intelligent is two different word. they better educate themselves a little. study consciousness a little. a work of universe a little. I see noting in holy book Quran but i see in quantum consciousness . 

    • Smack

      It’s good to ostracize neighbors because they don’t believe as you do?  I doubt you’ve ever read the Qur’an, it actually talks about Jesus as being a prophet, but you see ‘noting’ in it.  Yet I’m sure you believe in Jesus.  You don’t see in quantum consciousness.  You have no idea what consciousness is.  I doubt you even understand what quantum means.  So tell me is that cup half full or half empty?  Prove it. You are delusional and partially illiterate. Don’t try to educate people with your nonsense when you obviously haven’t done much educating of yourself.

      • Clix (ክሊክስ)

        So tell me is that cup half full or half
        empty?  Prove it.

        Did you come up with that all on your own?  Impressive!

        • Smack

          Oh I see now, you’re just a fool,  maybe you should keep your mouth shut if you can’t follow the point.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Harry-Eddis-Webb/575510593 Harry Eddis-Webb

          The cup is the wrong size 😉

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Harry-Eddis-Webb/575510593 Harry Eddis-Webb

          The cup is the wrong size 😉

      • Inquartata

        Deepak, is that you? 😀 Lol!

  • http://www.facebook.com/raodhammer Road Hammer

    good…what they do is good. and thus who saying American Atheists are more intelligent say noting but bowl. smart and intelligent is two different word. they better educate themselves a little. study consciousness a little. a work of universe a little. I see noting in holy book Quran but i see in quantum consciousness . 

  • http://www.facebook.com/raodhammer Road Hammer

    good…what they do is good. and thus who saying American Atheists are more intelligent say noting but bowl. smart and intelligent is two different word. they better educate themselves a little. study consciousness a little. a work of universe a little. I see noting in holy book Quran but i see in quantum consciousness . 

  • http://www.facebook.com/raodhammer Road Hammer

    God is great. such a pity for thus who don’t undrestand the most simple thing. but they must be to we be here. ever negative like them got positive like us. so let them be, they are necessary to be.

    • Smack

      You’re a devil worshiper.  If there is a good god there must be an evil devil.  As opposed to atheists that don’t believe in either.  You have your positives and negatives backwards.

      • Clix (ክሊክስ)

        Yikes!  This is what passes for atheistic-intelligence these days!  What happened to the more intelligent atheists?  Or, has atheism become a fad for the unwashed masses? lol

        • Smack

          You can’t have one without the other, and I don’t see your point about this statement being …… less than intelligent.  It matched the preceding statement pretty well, and your statement doesn’t address anything except to insult me.  So… fk you.

          • Clix (ክሊክስ)

            Do you remember when I said fundamentalists lack introspection?  Your response above is such an example.  Please allow me explain:

            Belief != Worship.  

            Christians DO believe in the existence of the devil.  They make no bones about their dualistic (good/evil, God/Satan, Christian/Unbeliever, Saint/Sinner, etc)  view of the world. But in your simpleton ways, you make the utterly illogical conclusion that believing in the existence of something is equivalent to worship of such thing.  This is error in elementary logic.

            In response to your other comment about me, you know the one ‘You’re a bad person’?  Of course I am, as far as you’re concerned. I have just tore you a new one on this forum.  That’s such a prepubescent way of responding.

            Since you have to be spoonfed everything, here is a better response:

            Ok, I have just been handed my ass because of my knee-jerk, thoughtless and illogical argument.  How can I make it a point to think through what I have to say before I say it in the future.

            Here is another advise I was given once: count until 5 before you say something you’re really passionate about.  

            Then, you’ll find out you won’t spend as much time defending what you say.

            Cheers,

            -Bad Person

          • Smack

            So you come up with one thing to address my comments after you just insult me, then throughout this comment insult me more just to say belief does not equal worship?

            Scratch that, I don’t want to ask you any more questions, you’re pretty set in your ways and I don’t think you are worth any more time.  Read the first comment. The guy says ‘god is great’, that’s an indicator that he worships god not just ‘believes’… and by extension the devil.  So, now fk off with your rude ass.

          • Clix (ክሊክስ)

            Oh shucks!  Here I was thinking you’re reading a book or something, and you come back two months later to say the same thing!

            What a waste of life!

        • Smack

          You can’t have one without the other, and I don’t see your point about this statement being …… less than intelligent.  It matched the preceding statement pretty well, and your statement doesn’t address anything except to insult me.  So… fk you.

  • http://www.facebook.com/raodhammer Road Hammer

    God is great. such a pity for thus who don’t undrestand the most simple thing. but they must be to we be here. ever negative like them got positive like us. so let them be, they are necessary to be.

  • JLRobb

    Most atheists I know, and there are so many we have to know many..used to not be this way until we got more “european” wallow in their intelligence like a pig in slop. I used to be one. then i decided to actually read the book. It helps. Don’t get too wrapped up in your smartness, because all that narcicissm will get you in trouble eventually. I guess I’m just another stupid believer,
    http://www.theendthebook.com  Read It and enlighten yourself.

  • JLRobb

    Most atheists I know, and there are so many we have to know many..used to not be this way until we got more “european” wallow in their intelligence like a pig in slop. I used to be one. then i decided to actually read the book. It helps. Don’t get too wrapped up in your smartness, because all that narcicissm will get you in trouble eventually. I guess I’m just another stupid believer,
    http://www.theendthebook.com  Read It and enlighten yourself.

    • Smack

      Smarts is dumb huh?  Smarts made these computers.  Up until the 1500’s, when King George translated the bible, it was read in latin in churches and only the clergy was allowed to read.  So for all your ‘down-homesy’ knowen’ stuff, shut up, you are bringing back the dark ages.

    • Kim Andersen

      >> JLRobb
      So by saying that I don’t believe in the excistence of a higher power, that automatically makes me a narcicist? Thanks for the incredible amount of intolerance. I don’t find it offensive that you believe it to be true that Jesus is your savior, that a pair of every animal in the intire world could fit into a tiny boat or that all people except christians are going to burn in hell forever.
      But I do find it incredibly offensive, when I, because of MY beliefs, have to be placed on display as a devilinfested, know-it-all narcicist that you so clearly think that all atheists are. I don’t think less of you because you’re christian, I think less of you because of your prejudice!

  • Kim Andersen

    And that is probably the only reason why I would NEVER move to america. The vast majority of people tolerate whatever religion you have, which is very beautiful in my eyes. But If you’re a nonbeliever, and you’re open about it, then suddenly you’re not welcome anymore. What hypocrisy!

    • Clix (ክሊክስ)

      That and you’d probably not get a visa? 

       It’s also a hypocrisy to judge others for being shortsighted while being shortsighted yourself.  I have lived in 3 continents, and the U.S., when it comes to religion, is as tolerant as most places I have seen.  

      Atheists, just like the egotistical and self-centered christians, love to wallow in the persecution complex.  If you turn on fox news, you’d be convinced that those of us who like to keep matters of spirituality a personal matter are getting ready to run the christians out of town.

      • a a

        sup scum bag

        • Clix (ክሊክስ)

          Love you too! 😀

  • Kim Andersen

    And that is probably the only reason why I would NEVER move to america. The vast majority of people tolerate whatever religion you have, which is very beautiful in my eyes. But If you’re a nonbeliever, and you’re open about it, then suddenly you’re not welcome anymore. What hypocrisy!

  • Kim Andersen

    And that is probably the only reason why I would NEVER move to america. The vast majority of people tolerate whatever religion you have, which is very beautiful in my eyes. But If you’re a nonbeliever, and you’re open about it, then suddenly you’re not welcome anymore. What hypocrisy!

  • None

    Go watch the whole Paula Zahn piece on Youtube. After part one – during which nasty persecution of atheists is made apparent – she has a panel of three Christians on….two of which agree with each other fully and rather than address the persecution of atheists in part one just complain that prayer has been removed from school and atheists want God out of the pledge and they should just “shut up.”
    Zahn dropped the ball by not even pressing them on the persecution of atheists demonstrated in part one.

    Atheists don’t typically tell people they are atheists because they know some “tolerant” Christian will not like it and they might suffer for it.

    I’d like to know when was the last time a town in the US ostracized and persecuted someone because they are Christian?

  • None

    Go watch the whole Paula Zahn piece on Youtube. After part one – during which nasty persecution of atheists is made apparent – she has a panel of three Christians on….two of which agree with each other fully and rather than address the persecution of atheists in part one just complain that prayer has been removed from school and atheists want God out of the pledge and they should just “shut up.”
    Zahn dropped the ball by not even pressing them on the persecution of atheists demonstrated in part one.

    Atheists don’t typically tell people they are atheists because they know some “tolerant” Christian will not like it and they might suffer for it.

    I’d like to know when was the last time a town in the US ostracized and persecuted someone because they are Christian?

  • None

    Go watch the whole Paula Zahn piece on Youtube. After part one – during which nasty persecution of atheists is made apparent – she has a panel of three Christians on….two of which agree with each other fully and rather than address the persecution of atheists in part one just complain that prayer has been removed from school and atheists want God out of the pledge and they should just “shut up.”
    Zahn dropped the ball by not even pressing them on the persecution of atheists demonstrated in part one.

    Atheists don’t typically tell people they are atheists because they know some “tolerant” Christian will not like it and they might suffer for it.

    I’d like to know when was the last time a town in the US ostracized and persecuted someone because they are Christian?

  • Bojones

    I don’t think religious people know how to handle an atheist. An atheist is simply someone whom does not believe in the afterlife, someone that doesn’t believe in the spiritual realm. What is so wrong with that? Can we riddicule children beacuse they believe in Santa Clause? – No. But children learn that Santa Clause doesn’t exist when they grow up. Religious people are just not that clever. If you want to believe in fairy tales, keep it to yourselves, don’t push your ideologies on other people or on your children, let them think for themselves! Peace.

    • Humbleforest

      Dear Global Friends,

      1st
      type of Atheist…( False or Fake Atheist )                                           is
      one who uses the word blindly or follow blindly,
      just as to
      protect or make an excuse of oneself for personal gain , egoism ,
      fame , power , greed and glamour. It shows that one does not fully
      understand about nature
      and spiritual knowledge because one’s potential
      capacity of one’s mind is less than five percent
      developed. So
      the human mind of spiritual knowledge of comprehension of God or
      demi-gods, or even fairies is very, very, very limited. This is
      due to one’s pure-self which is covered
      with the past and present sins.This
      type of atheist may be a hindrance to societyand may mislead or
      cause confusion to the innocent ones.

      2nd
      type of Atheist…( Secular Law Abiding Atheist )

      knows
      how to behave positively without going against the law
      but have
      self-esteemed and is strongly attached to worldly material
      things.One may be of curiousity and chasing after
      illusiveproofs. But one does things fairly and moderately.One’s
      emotions are not stable. As stated from a proverb, “ curiousity
      kills a cat ”.This type of atheist is arrogrant and at times
      one may isolate
      from others who are better than oneself or one may
      think highly knowledgeable of oneself.Moderately one does one’s
      own way.

      3rd
      type of Atheist…( Moral Practioner Atheist )

      knows
      how to cultivate one’s inner and outer-selfmorally and practise
      calmness meditation. These two methods are of paramount importance to
      oneself because they help to liberate one’spure-self. One has
      no strong desires for these materialistic things. One may isolate
      from others, but does not hate, disturb or cause any harm to
      others.
      One may be in harmony to society and at
      times volunteer to help the society. No doubt that one does not
      believe in the existence of GOD, fairies and devils but one does
      respect them just like to human beings irrespective of races as
      well as to nature.
      One does not pollute and contaminate the land,
      sea and space.
      One is in line with moral values and nature.This
      type of atheist is better than those religious persons whose
      hearts are empty of love for others and always claim one’s
      religion is the most correct and supreme. If one’s thought still
      remains with an iorta of
      impurity then one is within the realms of samsara,

      one of the 31 planes of the “Three Worlds”of reincarnation.

      4th
      type of
      Atheist…( Enlightened Atheist )                                               A 4th
      type of Atheist who has gained one’s
      enlightenment in
      receiving one’s Universal wisdom of ” spiritual knowledge ”
      which supersedes human knowledge of comprehension requires a basic
      condition
      to fulfill one’s attainment of this Cosmic
      Consciousness through “Morality” and its Natural Way

      in calmness meditation as well.

      Inorder to
      attain this spiritual knowlege one needs to fulfill the conditions
      of self purification in one’s body,
      mind and soul in practising
      daily moral values with a compulsory
      in calmness and stable
      meditation. They are inseparable.
      There must not be a single impurity of
      tangible or intangible
      issue in one’s thought. It
      should be totally
      pure to
      liberate one’s pure-self
      out of the 31 planes of samsara
      or the “Three Worlds” of reincarnation. This indeed is a true
      and pure moral cultivator who detaches all
      worldly desires and can perceive in comprehension of nature

      and the world beyond.

      Then one becomes a non-atheist.

      Whether
      one is an atheist, religious, or anon-religious, The Supreme
      Almighty still loves all.HE does not discriminate any but is
      discriminated by many. Whether one believes in HIM or not,
      HE still delivers many things for humans, animals. sea-creatures
      and plants to survive
      through
      many millions years until today.

      They are air, water, sunlight, cosmic energies,

      sea, air and land
      creatures, crops, minerals
      as well as
      many seen or unseen objects.
      Only
      the ignorant, selfish, egoistic, stubborn,

      greedy and deluded humans are disobeying and

      destroying what HE has given.
      Mankind
      can only destroy the environment
      but they cannot replace back to
      her original state

      Please
      have a heart of gratitude and Indiscriminate Love
      to all living and non-living beings, as
      well as to the
      Supreme Almighty so as to be classified as a
      One Civilised
      Humankind. Thank you for the sharing.

      • Kurt Smith

        blah, blah, blah. Inquisition.

  • Russellmarra

    All religion is based on a belief in magic.  At the center of every religion is at least one immortal omnipresent omnipotent being.  It is a left over from a time before science was invented and was an attempt by stone age men to explain how the universe worked and our place in it.  Do You really believe that magic is the fundamental operative force in the universe?  The way a prophet proves that he is the real McCoy is to perform miracles – simply stated by doing magic.  Only God can work magic so if you can too, you must be of God… look up the definitions of magic and miracle.  They are virtually identical.

  • realtalk

    Science searches for answers, and considering we were given a conscious mind that questions where do I come from, your are ignoring the most beautiful and wonderful thing “god” has given you, your ability to think. You stall your development by sticking to one story, religion and god, that has no proven or concrete base. Intelligence is the search for knowledge and truth, and until you can prove your god to be true then you should learn to be intelligent enough not to speak of something you cannot prove. Live and let live.

  • টুনাটুনি

    I am an Atheist, came from a muslim family. I know the scenery is much worse in Indian subcontinent. In US at least nobody is going to kill you for being a non believer!!  

    • perro verde

      don’t be too sure honey…

  • Queen of the Shadylands

    Wow, I’m genuinely shocked. Where I live the atheists out number the Christians. The Hindus and Muslims probably do too. But nobody cares, it’s a matter of each to their own. I can’t imagine bullying a person out of town and the teachers, their disgraceful.

  • Birgcar

    I have read this entire conversation stream with interest and am completely bemused by many of the assertions that ‘believers’ are making here. Probably the only rational comment in favour of believing in God comes from Steel9 who states that they believe in a God because they fear death and the belief eases thier mind…

    As an atheist, much of my lack of need to believe in a God comes from the fact that I have no fear of death. Rationality tells me that we all live and will all eventually die, as does everything else on the planet in some form or another – I do not need belief in a supernatural and omniscient deity to ease the transition between life and death in my mind.  Believing in an afterlife for me takes the form of knowing that my atoms will eventually reform as something else, whether they become part of a tree, the grass or the Earth itself and this belief places me more fundmentally in line with the Buddhist ideals of reincarnation than the monotheistic beliefs of ‘heaven or hell’.  Despite this, I do not believe in any organised religion because fundamentally, all the good parts of all religions – which essentially equate to being the best person you can be and not harming others – are beliefs I hold intrinsically anyway. I do not need a book or a God or a church to remind me to get up every day and be a good person.

    I take particular offense to Oksana’s assertion though that because I can not 100% disprove the existance of a God then I can never be a true atheist.  Other than being a completely ridiculous statement on account of the fact that atheists are not all deniers of a God, simply unbelievers, I’d like to apply and test that statement in its opposite form:

    Because theists can not 100% prove the existance of God then you can never be a true theist.

    Equally ridiculous? Yeah I thought so.  The human mind is equiped to believe in a range of ideas – some of them can be proved and some can not.  I do not waste my time worrying about what other people chose to believe, all I know is what I believe and I am happy and comfortable with that. Those who ridicule or persecute others for having the ‘wrong’ beliefs, in my experience, tend to be unhappy and uncertain in themselves and God alone can never change that for them.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AB72XZIIGTWC6E767WHTH6DHIM Kahina

      Very well said Birgcar.  To be an a-theist takes tremendous courage.  Atheists bear full responsibility for their actions (instead of blaming satan, Eve or whatever) and fully face the fact that this world is all there is!  This kind of thinking (and emotional maturity) makes one far more likely be behave in a more civilized and respectful way toward others.  There is no ready made forgiveness or salvation by god, only other human beings.  

      I don’t need to believe in god because I am alright with not having all the answers to life.  Likewise, I do not fear death and have no need to be told what to do or how to behave since I am confident in my own judgement and fitness of mind.  Thinking for yourself is hard and life is hard.  These are the primary reasons religion flourished and remains. 

  • Birgcar

    I have read this entire conversation stream with interest and am completely bemused by many of the assertions that ‘believers’ are making here. Probably the only rational comment in favour of believing in God comes from Steel9 who states that they believe in a God because they fear death and the belief eases thier mind…

    As an atheist, much of my lack of need to believe in a God comes from the fact that I have no fear of death. Rationality tells me that we all live and will all eventually die, as does everything else on the planet in some form or another – I do not need belief in a supernatural and omniscient deity to ease the transition between life and death in my mind.  Believing in an afterlife for me takes the form of knowing that my atoms will eventually reform as something else, whether they become part of a tree, the grass or the Earth itself and this belief places me more fundmentally in line with the Buddhist ideals of reincarnation than the monotheistic beliefs of ‘heaven or hell’.  Despite this, I do not believe in any organised religion because fundamentally, all the good parts of all religions – which essentially equate to being the best person you can be and not harming others – are beliefs I hold intrinsically anyway. I do not need a book or a God or a church to remind me to get up every day and be a good person.

    I take particular offense to Oksana’s assertion though that because I can not 100% disprove the existance of a God then I can never be a true atheist.  Other than being a completely ridiculous statement on account of the fact that atheists are not all deniers of a God, simply unbelievers, I’d like to apply and test that statement in its opposite form:

    Because theists can not 100% prove the existance of God then you can never be a true theist.

    Equally ridiculous? Yeah I thought so.  The human mind is equiped to believe in a range of ideas – some of them can be proved and some can not.  I do not waste my time worrying about what other people chose to believe, all I know is what I believe and I am happy and comfortable with that. Those who ridicule or persecute others for having the ‘wrong’ beliefs, in my experience, tend to be unhappy and uncertain in themselves and God alone can never change that for them.

  • Anonymous

    Hitler was raised a Catholic.
    Quote from Mein Kampf:
    “What we must fight for is to safeguard the existence and the
    reproduction of our race…so that our people may mature for the
    fulfillment of the mission allotted it by the creator of the
    universe…Peoples that bastardize themselves, or let themselves be
    bastardized, sin against the will of eternal Providence.”

    Hitler was no atheist, contrary to myths usually peddled by christians.

  • Lianne

    Wow, way to go U.S. I’m so glad I’m Canadian. I’m speaking here as a non-atheist, non-Christian person who believes in everyone’s right to practice whatever religion or lack of religion they choose. I’m a Pagan, so I know what it’s like to be judged for your religion, but I’ve never experienced anything close to what these people have gone through. (Though I can definitely relate to being offended by inaccurate portrayals in the media.)

    One thing I need to point out though is that I thought it was really obnoxious that that one guy said that atheists are the last minority group that it’s ok to bash. Umm, what? There is so much racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, etc. in the U.S. and elsewhere that that was a really insensitive thing to say. I mean yeah, it sucks that people are being so cruel to you, but that doesn’t give you the right to minimise other people’s oppression. Not cool.

  • Mozzer

    Cool video but the music is completely unnecessary and distracting when people are talking.

  • Mozzer

    Cool video but the music is completely unnecessary and distracting when people are talking.

  • Mozzer

    Cool video but the music is completely unnecessary and distracting when people are talking.

  • SomeGuy

    Most intelligent minority?  that’s a pretty arrogant statement.  I thought this piece was going to try and help the social acceptance of atheists…

  • SomeGuy

    Most intelligent minority?  that’s a pretty arrogant statement.  I thought this piece was going to try and help the social acceptance of atheists…

  • Clix (ክሊክስ)

    People despise atheists for the same reason they despise any fundamentalist.  Atheists often are rude, egotistic, without a sense of irony and lack introspection. Hmm…I just described most christian fundamentalist as well.  I am sure most of you are quite tickled about being compared to your eternal nemesis.  It’d be fun to lock you both up in a big room and see you annihilation each other. The world would certainly be a more pleasant place.

    • Smack

      You’re a bad person.  You enjoy watching people hurt each other, and everything you accused atheists of being… rude, egotistic, etc… you did in this comment section.  Maybe you can come up with something useful or an insight next time other than boasting of yourself and downing others.

    • SuperLogic

      Not sure what your point is?  Yes their are radicals in EVERY world view and every religion.  Including whatever view you hold.  And you proved the point by stating how amused you would be to see the others annihilate each other.   Sounds like a pretty radical view as well.

      • Clix (ክሊክስ)

        Hmmm…let me try again.  I dispise fundamentalists of any kind, especially those who try to push their POV on others.  Without them the world would be a better place.  The best way to rid the world of their presence without creating martyrs of either kind is to allow them to destroy each other.  Thought a supposedly logical person would get that simple logic.  But like most, your handle seems to be regarding things that are hoped for, but that are not.

        • SuperLogic

          Don’t blame ME for what YOU said.  “It’d be fun to lock you both up in a big room and see you annihilate each other”   Not a lack of logic on my part.   My point stands.

          • Clix (ክሊክስ)

            Huh? Blaming you for what I said?  Where? What?  I elaborated what I said in my previous response.  

            My hypothesis is further confirmed.  People who have the words ‘logic’, ‘reason’, etc in their handle seem to be the ones who are lacking such qualities the most.  Yours has the word ‘super; along with one of those words indicating the profound lack there of…lol.

          • Clix (ክሊክስ)

            Huh? Blaming you for what I said?  Where? What?  I elaborated what I said in my previous response.  

            My hypothesis is further confirmed.  People who have the words ‘logic’, ‘reason’, etc in their handle seem to be the ones who are lacking such qualities the most.  Yours has the word ‘super; along with one of those words indicating the profound lack there of…lol.

          • SuperLogic

            Impossible to argue logically with someone who has no logic.  Sigh, you’re clueless.   (And obviously by the post by Smack he got the same thing from your post as I did)

          • Clix (ክሊክስ)

            I stop talking to idiots when they level the same charges I I do against them.  You can’t even came up with a well thought arguments against my position…get lost!

          • Clix (ክሊክስ)

            I stop talking to idiots when they level the same charges I I do against them.  You can’t even came up with a well thought arguments against my position…get lost!

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Harry-Eddis-Webb/575510593 Harry Eddis-Webb

            Superlogic you are a moron.

          • Anonymous

            You are embarrassing yourself.

          • SuperLogic

            Impossible to argue logically with someone who has no logic.  Sigh, you’re clueless.   (And obviously by the post by Smack he got the same thing from your post as I did)

    • SuperLogic

      Not sure what your point is?  Yes their are radicals in EVERY world view and every religion.  Including whatever view you hold.  And you proved the point by stating how amused you would be to see the others annihilate each other.   Sounds like a pretty radical view as well.

  • SuperLogic

    This video almost had me feeling sympathy for atheists till it got to the end and stated that “atheists are the least violent, most tolerant, most intelligent, and most progressive ”

    Least violent?  Tell that to those imprisoned and killed for their beliefs in Communist Russia and China, oh yeah you can’t since they are DEAD!

    Most tolerant? But only if you agree with their opinions (and non-beliefs)

    Most intelligent?  Did they do a study on this?  Actually some of the most intelligent scientists in the world believed in the existence of God,… Einstein, Francis Collins, Behe, etc, etc

    Most Progressive?  Not all change is progressive, much of it regressive.  Some of this “progressive” thinking has led to the breakdown of the family unit, skyrocketing divorce, abortion, and STD rates.  Progressive?  Hardly.

    As for the “Most Hated & Mistrusted minority in the US”?   Mistrusted, maybe, Hated, no.  We just disagree with you, we don’t hate you.   Actually, Christians are the most hated and persecuted in the world.  Here’s some reading for you from secular sources (so you can’t say they were biased in favor of Christianity)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians

    http://www.thestar.com/news/insight/article/901492–christianity-arguably-the-most-persecuted-religion-in-the-world

  • SuperLogic

    This video almost had me feeling sympathy for atheists till it got to the end and stated that “atheists are the least violent, most tolerant, most intelligent, and most progressive ”

    Least violent?  Tell that to those imprisoned and killed for their beliefs in Communist Russia and China, oh yeah you can’t since they are DEAD!

    Most tolerant? But only if you agree with their opinions (and non-beliefs)

    Most intelligent?  Did they do a study on this?  Actually some of the most intelligent scientists in the world believed in the existence of God,… Einstein, Francis Collins, Behe, etc, etc

    Most Progressive?  Not all change is progressive, much of it regressive.  Some of this “progressive” thinking has led to the breakdown of the family unit, skyrocketing divorce, abortion, and STD rates.  Progressive?  Hardly.

    As for the “Most Hated & Mistrusted minority in the US”?   Mistrusted, maybe, Hated, no.  We just disagree with you, we don’t hate you.   Actually, Christians are the most hated and persecuted in the world.  Here’s some reading for you from secular sources (so you can’t say they were biased in favor of Christianity)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians

    http://www.thestar.com/news/insight/article/901492–christianity-arguably-the-most-persecuted-religion-in-the-world

    • Inquartata

      Oh my…so many illogical statements in one post. Where to even begin. Will just have to do a quick round of rebuttals, apologies but no real time.

      >Least violent?  Tell that to those imprisoned and killed for their beliefs in Communist Russia and China, oh yeah you can’t since they are DEAD!

      Just…NO. Those deaths were due to political reasons. Communism is not atheism.

      >Most tolerant? But only if you agree with their opinions (and non-beliefs)

      Have you ever heard someone say you are immoral because you believe in a god? That you should burn? That you have no soul? Atheists don’t do that. If you try to push your beliefs then we will call you on your bs. Calling it what it is is not intolerant. Is it intolerant to not accept racism? To not accept pedophilia? Fine, call it intolerance, but in that case you have to realize some things should NOT be tolerated.

      >Most intelligent?  Did they do a study on this?  

      No. Not one. Many. Try science, oh wait, too hard? Try google. There is a strong correlation between intelligence and belief in supernatural claims.

      >Actually some of the most intelligent scientists in the world believed in the existence of God,… Einstein, Francis Collins, Behe, etc, etc 

      You can strike Albert from that list and add Adolf. That would be more accurate. Oh, and it still wouldn’t prove a thing. Many bright people believed blowing tobacco smoke up someones ass actually had medical benefits. Smart people A believes this? IT MUST BE TRUE! Please.

      >Not to mention that the top “atheist” scientist Stephen Hawkings believes that the entire Universe was created from… Wait for it…. NOTHING. Mass, Energy, Time, Space, did not exist before the Big Bang, this is his theory?? He says it was created by… Gravity! Of course he doesn’t have an answer for why gravity exists, when nothing else does. Yeah, that sounds intelligent (and believable). 

      Yes, I am sure that you, a layman, understands the universe better than the people who study it and have years, even a lifetime of experience and knowledge backing up their opinions. How arrogant of you. I don’t understand it so it must be bullshit? Hilarious. Tell me this? What was before the big bang? What was north of the north pole? NOTHING is a perfectly valid opinion.

      >Most Progressive?  Not all change is progressive, much of it regressive.  Some of this “progressive” thinking has led to the breakdown of the family unit, skyrocketing divorce, abortion, and STD rates.  Progressive?  Hardly.

      You are just so FULL of it aren’t you? AGAIN, GOOGLE! There is a clear correlation between religiousity and divorce! You make vague claims about these “factors” that cause STDS? Science gives us condoms. The pope tells us they are not to be used. Who is being progressive? Who is killing people? Who is trying to save lives? 

      >As for the “Most Hated & Mistrusted minority in the US”?   Mistrusted, maybe, Hated, no.  We just disagree with you, we don’t hate you.   Actually, Christians are the most hated and persecuted in the world.  Here’s some reading for you from secular sources (so you can’t say they were biased in favor of Christianity)

      Again, playing the victim? REALLY? Of course christians are persecuted for their beliefs in countries with other religions! Religion creates schisms! You go look in  nation made up primarily of christians and see what you find. No persecution of christians. Of course. Get off your high horse. Atheism on the other hand are hated everywhere for the simple reason that they refuse to believe in bullshit. It doesn’t matter that they don’t demand that people follow them. Your so called sources are historical and consist of examples of religions clashing. Where are those aggressive atheists I wonder.

      http://theframeproblem.wordpress.com/2008/02/28/atheism-the-source-of-all-of-humanitys-problems/

      • SuperLogic

        Yeah Inquartata, yours was also filled with illogical arguments.

        No, these are a worldly “atheist” world view.  You like to say it’s not about religion, obviously not, since atheism is about no God.  However if it is political as you try to pass it off, why are Christians and religions that are not political being tortured and killed.   THAT is illogical.

        And yes, I have heard many rude and profane comments directed at Christians and believers.  No, they don’t say you are immoral, have no soul, etc, but they say other things which are just as intolerant and more so.  It goes both ways.   Just ask people like Anne Coulter who are accused of being intolerant but shout vulgar names and target her with abuse and death threats.   Almost non-existant the other way around.  And your examples, racism, pedophelia, I agree, those should not be tolerated, and any person would agree.  What’s your point?   That’s not exclusive to atheism.  I would be willing to bet that the majority of racists and pedophiles aren’t believers.

        Where are these professional studies on the relationship between intelligence level and religious beliefs.  I am not talking about beliefs in UFO’s and Ghosts here.  Wheres your references to back it up?

        Why would I strike Einstein, when he stated he believed in God, just not a personal God that you would have a relationship with.  And why add Hitler to the list, when he wasn’t a scientist??  That actually would be inaccurate.   And just because you don’t believe in God, doesn’t make it untrue.

        Your defence of Stephen Hawkings theories sounds like your previous description of  “smart people blowing smoke up someones ass”, but sounds like you know more about this then I do.   But you contradict yourself by saying, still it doesn’t prove a thing, but then insist that Stephen Hawkings has the lock on truth, but of course only when it supports your view.   You should apply the same statement to yourself, “how arrogant of you” to think only your view is right.   Let’s be honest here, he doesn’t know what was before the Big Bang, and that’s why it’s called a THEORY, which at this point is simply a guess.   But there are MANY scientists who disagree with him, and also see the problems with his theory.  And yes, their opinions are just as valid as Hawkings.    So why would something suddenly come from nothing??  And you think this is more believable then that it was created by Intelligence??   Not sure what your point is about whats North of the North pole??  It’s an illogical question like whats a round square?!? 

        Again, not sure what your point is about science gives us condoms??  Yeah, and?  Why does the STD, abortion, and teen pregnancy rate keep going up when the availability of condoms and sex education keep increasing?  Because its not about science, its about morality.   And religion is very much intertwined with morality.  

        It’s not PLAYING the victim when you ARE the victim.   The ironic thing is that you continue on to Play the Victim.  Your whole comment is full of double standards and contradictions!   No, it’s not religions that creates schisms, it’s opposing world views, including atheism.  2 sources I gave were secular sources to avoid bias.    And you can read it yourself, there are many examples of Christians being persecuted for their beliefs.   Some of the examples were between religions, some were from atheists, ie Vietnam, North Korea, China, Russia, Where are your examples of thousands or millions of atheists getting imprisoned and killed for their non-beliefs like the millions that have been killed in China and Russia for their beliefs??  And western countries where the majority are Christians, their is almost no persecution of atheists.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians

        http://www.thestar.com/news/insight/article/901492–christianity-arguably-the-most-persecuted-religion-in-the-world

        • Inquartata

          First of all, try to include some part of my reply or some reference so I can know what you are talking about. As it stands now, what do you mean by:

          >a worldly “atheist” world view

          What is? What?

          >if it is political as you try to pass it off, why are Christians and religions that are not political being tortured and killed.   THAT is illogical.

          Again, very very vague. Give an example or be more specific so I can understand what you are actually saying. If you mean communism, the church or in fact any organized group were seen as threats to the party, which is why they were persecuted. This has nothing to do with atheism since atheism has no “goal”. There is no central tenet except the nonbelief in a deity.

          >No, they don’t say you are immoral, have no soul, etc, but they say other things which are just as intolerant and more so. 

          Which are…? Examples? Do you see my point? You are making statements that are so vague it is ludicrous! I know you can do better, please elaborate. Just as intolerant and more so and you don’t say what they are?

          Just ask people like Anne Coulter who are accused of being intolerant but shout vulgar names and target her with abuse and death threats.   Almost non-existant the other way around.  

          It is always wrong to threaten people in any way. That is an example of something that should not be tolerated. Having said that, there are idiots in both camps and when Coulter goes around calling evolution “a mystery religion” then she will get people angry since she tries to pass that off as fact when it is only her hugely misinformed personal opinion. Then throw in bigoted remarks and statements supporting shooting people who have abortions and your statement is suddenly not true. Hatred begets hatred, I am sure you agree.

          >And your examples, racism, pedophelia, I agree, those should not be tolerated, and any person would agree.  What’s your point?   That’s not exclusive to atheism.  I would be willing to bet that the majority of racists and pedophiles aren’t believers.

          That statement does not make sense. If you said “I am willing to bet that the percentage of racists and pedphiles among believers is lower than those of atheists”, then it would some sense. I bet you would still be wrong though. Otherwise it is like saying that I bet that there are less fat swedish males than fat american males. Of course there are. There are more american males than swedish males to begin with! My point is that ANY pedophilia is not to be accepted, which is not the case in the catholic church for example, where priests rarely receive any punishment at all! 

          >Where are these professional studies on the relationship between intelligence level and religious beliefs.  I am not talking about beliefs in UFO’s and Ghosts here.  Wheres your references to back it up?

          If we are to have references, then I expect the same from you. Here you go, google is your friend. Sorry for the site being pro-atheist, but the studies are not. They are scientific and date back more than 80 years. 
          http://atheistcamel.blogspot.com/2009/03/religiosity-and-intelligence-80-years.html

          Also, obligatory wikipedia article with references:

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religiosity_and_intelligence#Studies_comparing_religious_belief_and_I.Q

          >Why would I strike Einstein, when he stated he believed in God, just not a personal God that you would have a relationship with.  

          This is why. Feel informed.  

          I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. – Albert Einstein

          It seems to me that the idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I cannot take seriously. I also cannot imagine some will or goal outside the human sphere. … Science has been charged with undermining morality, but the charge is unjust. A man’s ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death. – Albert Einstein

          Your statement has no proof. If you wish, I am sure I can find the pdf of the letter he wrote regarding religion. If only you promise to not close your eyes but actually read it. You could also try to google it yourself of course?

          And why add Hitler to the list, when he wasn’t a scientist??  That actually would be inaccurate.   And just because you don’t believe in God, doesn’t make it untrue.

          >You answered your own question. What we believe matters not. What einstein believed matters not. It is the facts that we base our beliefs upon that should dictate how valid they are.

          >And religion is very much intertwined with morality.   

          Here is where I expect references. Animals show morality. Moses did. Where di he get it? Religious belief has NOTHING to do with morality, that is just pure propaganda.

          >The ironic thing is that you continue on to Play the Victim.  Your whole comment is full of double standards and contradictions!  

          THEN STOP BEING VAGUE AND TELL ME WHERE! I can make a statement like “your whole comment is just racist vitriol” but that does not make it true. At least tell me what you mean! 

          >No, it’s not religions that creates schisms, it’s opposing world views, including atheism

          NOT including atheism! Of course it is clashing religious beliefs that are the cause. Give me examples of wars fought for atheism. Do it. References now or gtfo! Is the violence in ireland due to atheism? The withchunts in africa? The bomvings in thailand? Are they? Did you even see the comic I linked?

          >sources I gave were secular sources to avoid bias.

          You didn’t read my reply? Give me one example of this NOT being two religions fighting and instead atheists persecuting religious folk. Do it. References. You started this. Finish it. Back up your claims.

          >Some of the examples were between religions, some were from atheists, ie Vietnam, North Korea, China, Russia, Where are your examples of thousands or millions of atheists getting imprisoned and killed for their non-beliefs like the millions that have been killed in China and Russia for their beliefs??  And western countries where the majority are Christians, their is almost no persecution of atheists. 

          No! We have discussed this already. Communism, communism, communism and communism! Do you see a pattern? NOT ATHEISM! Do you even understand the word?

          For hundreds,even thousands of years, superstition was the norm. Now when atheists are slowly coming out of hiding, less afraid, you have the audacity to claim that they are not persecuted just because millions of them haven’t been killed? People are calling for atheists to be shot! They are the most untrusted group in america! They cannot hold office in several states! 

          TL;DR

          ATHEISM IS NOT COMMUNISM. 

          JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE FAMOUS SAYS SOMETHING DOESN’T MAKE IT TRUE.

          CHRISTIANS ARE NOT BEING PERSECUTED BY ATHEISTS, THEY ARE BEING PERSECUTED BY OTHER RELIGIONS AND THE OPPOSITE IS EQUALLY TRUE. 

          ATHEISM HAS NEVER STARTED A SINGLE WAR.

        • Inquartata

          First of all, try to include some part of my reply or some reference so I can know what you are talking about. As it stands now, what do you mean by:

          >a worldly “atheist” world view

          What is? What?

          >if it is political as you try to pass it off, why are Christians and religions that are not political being tortured and killed.   THAT is illogical.

          Again, very very vague. Give an example or be more specific so I can understand what you are actually saying. If you mean communism, the church or in fact any organized group were seen as threats to the party, which is why they were persecuted. This has nothing to do with atheism since atheism has no “goal”. There is no central tenet except the nonbelief in a deity.

          >No, they don’t say you are immoral, have no soul, etc, but they say other things which are just as intolerant and more so. 

          Which are…? Examples? Do you see my point? You are making statements that are so vague it is ludicrous! I know you can do better, please elaborate. Just as intolerant and more so and you don’t say what they are?

          Just ask people like Anne Coulter who are accused of being intolerant but shout vulgar names and target her with abuse and death threats.   Almost non-existant the other way around.  

          It is always wrong to threaten people in any way. That is an example of something that should not be tolerated. Having said that, there are idiots in both camps and when Coulter goes around calling evolution “a mystery religion” then she will get people angry since she tries to pass that off as fact when it is only her hugely misinformed personal opinion. Then throw in bigoted remarks and statements supporting shooting people who have abortions and your statement is suddenly not true. Hatred begets hatred, I am sure you agree.

          >And your examples, racism, pedophelia, I agree, those should not be tolerated, and any person would agree.  What’s your point?   That’s not exclusive to atheism.  I would be willing to bet that the majority of racists and pedophiles aren’t believers.

          That statement does not make sense. If you said “I am willing to bet that the percentage of racists and pedphiles among believers is lower than those of atheists”, then it would some sense. I bet you would still be wrong though. Otherwise it is like saying that I bet that there are less fat swedish males than fat american males. Of course there are. There are more american males than swedish males to begin with! My point is that ANY pedophilia is not to be accepted, which is not the case in the catholic church for example, where priests rarely receive any punishment at all! 

          >Where are these professional studies on the relationship between intelligence level and religious beliefs.  I am not talking about beliefs in UFO’s and Ghosts here.  Wheres your references to back it up?

          If we are to have references, then I expect the same from you. Here you go, google is your friend. Sorry for the site being pro-atheist, but the studies are not. They are scientific and date back more than 80 years. 
          http://atheistcamel.blogspot.com/2009/03/religiosity-and-intelligence-80-years.html

          Also, obligatory wikipedia article with references:

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religiosity_and_intelligence#Studies_comparing_religious_belief_and_I.Q

          >Why would I strike Einstein, when he stated he believed in God, just not a personal God that you would have a relationship with.  

          This is why. Feel informed.  

          I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. – Albert Einstein

          It seems to me that the idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I cannot take seriously. I also cannot imagine some will or goal outside the human sphere. … Science has been charged with undermining morality, but the charge is unjust. A man’s ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death. – Albert Einstein

          Your statement has no proof. If you wish, I am sure I can find the pdf of the letter he wrote regarding religion. If only you promise to not close your eyes but actually read it. You could also try to google it yourself of course?

          And why add Hitler to the list, when he wasn’t a scientist??  That actually would be inaccurate.   And just because you don’t believe in God, doesn’t make it untrue.

          >You answered your own question. What we believe matters not. What einstein believed matters not. It is the facts that we base our beliefs upon that should dictate how valid they are.

          >And religion is very much intertwined with morality.   

          Here is where I expect references. Animals show morality. Moses did. Where di he get it? Religious belief has NOTHING to do with morality, that is just pure propaganda.

          >The ironic thing is that you continue on to Play the Victim.  Your whole comment is full of double standards and contradictions!  

          THEN STOP BEING VAGUE AND TELL ME WHERE! I can make a statement like “your whole comment is just racist vitriol” but that does not make it true. At least tell me what you mean! 

          >No, it’s not religions that creates schisms, it’s opposing world views, including atheism

          NOT including atheism! Of course it is clashing religious beliefs that are the cause. Give me examples of wars fought for atheism. Do it. References now or gtfo! Is the violence in ireland due to atheism? The withchunts in africa? The bomvings in thailand? Are they? Did you even see the comic I linked?

          >sources I gave were secular sources to avoid bias.

          You didn’t read my reply? Give me one example of this NOT being two religions fighting and instead atheists persecuting religious folk. Do it. References. You started this. Finish it. Back up your claims.

          >Some of the examples were between religions, some were from atheists, ie Vietnam, North Korea, China, Russia, Where are your examples of thousands or millions of atheists getting imprisoned and killed for their non-beliefs like the millions that have been killed in China and Russia for their beliefs??  And western countries where the majority are Christians, their is almost no persecution of atheists. 

          No! We have discussed this already. Communism, communism, communism and communism! Do you see a pattern? NOT ATHEISM! Do you even understand the word?

          For hundreds,even thousands of years, superstition was the norm. Now when atheists are slowly coming out of hiding, less afraid, you have the audacity to claim that they are not persecuted just because millions of them haven’t been killed? People are calling for atheists to be shot! They are the most untrusted group in america! They cannot hold office in several states! 

          TL;DR

          ATHEISM IS NOT COMMUNISM. 

          JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE FAMOUS SAYS SOMETHING DOESN’T MAKE IT TRUE.

          CHRISTIANS ARE NOT BEING PERSECUTED BY ATHEISTS, THEY ARE BEING PERSECUTED BY OTHER RELIGIONS AND THE OPPOSITE IS EQUALLY TRUE. 

          ATHEISM HAS NEVER STARTED A SINGLE WAR.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Harry-Eddis-Webb/575510593 Harry Eddis-Webb

          I can’t believe I just wasted my time reading this pathetic retort to Inquartata’s valid arguments. 

          It was just one nonsensical piece of noise after another. Please refrain from saying anything at all if you cannot say anything of any value.

    • Kurt Smith

      “Thinking has led to the breakdown of the family unit, skyrocketing divorce, abortion, and STD rates”. Wow, really! There are many reasons that may cause the rise of these sad events. Like urbanisation or over-population. 

      I promise you one thing, free thinking isn’t even on the list. 

      Are you implying people with religious belief are incapable of thinking?

  • Sophia

    I’m sorry but, what the fuck? I don’t know anyone who sits outside someones house and stares because they’re an atheist. I’ve never experinced any mistreatment do to my disbelief in god, nor do I know anyone who has..

  • Sophia

    I’m sorry but, what the fuck? I don’t know anyone who sits outside someones house and stares because they’re an atheist. I’ve never experinced any mistreatment do to my disbelief in god, nor do I know anyone who has..

    • Clix (ክሊክስ)

      That’s a little hyperbole and media-fed frenzy for the consumption of the unthinking mass.  What good is a religious and/or anti-religious movement without a dash of persecution complex. Persecution, real or imagined is the life force of religious related movements.

    • Tommy Carpenter

      I have… from family and friends… its sad really, that most americans hear atheist and their reactions are like you said you are a terrorist… strange really, do people not know the definition of an atheist.

  • Sophia

    I’m sorry but, what the fuck? I don’t know anyone who sits outside someones house and stares because they’re an atheist. I’ve never experinced any mistreatment do to my disbelief in god, nor do I know anyone who has..

  • Ombre_rouge

    Why isn’t this video working for me? :(

  • Aramin

    I’ve been an atheist all of my life, and I can honestly say that I’ve never experienced the kind of hate this video shows. I’ve had a teacher tell me that this was a Christian nation and to leave the country as well, but I”m a very confident and outspoken person and I told him off. It wasn’t anything surprising, I was always in conflict with this very religious, conservative teacher. I’m not trying to sound big, but I think most people I knew were afraid to approach my atheism in a negative way because I’d make them look stupid as I often did. I assumed they’d be afraid to attack anyone’s atheism as they’ve no explanation for their nonsensical ideas. To any atheists reading this, fight back! Do not let someone talk down to you when they’re the one with the crazy, outrageous beliefs. It’s not that hard to make fun of someone for believing in a magical sky daddy that’s going to take their nightmares away. I don’t like this video because it makes atheists look like they’re being looked down on or even bullied. I’ve always felt like I’ve been above the average religious person and have always looked up to atheists as much more intelligent, respectable people. Atheists looking down on Christians?..Easily understandable. Christians looking down on atheists?…How?

  • Aramin

    I’ve been an atheist all of my life, and I can honestly say that I’ve never experienced the kind of hate this video shows. I’ve had a teacher tell me that this was a Christian nation and to leave the country as well, but I”m a very confident and outspoken person and I told him off. It wasn’t anything surprising, I was always in conflict with this very religious, conservative teacher. I’m not trying to sound big, but I think most people I knew were afraid to approach my atheism in a negative way because I’d make them look stupid as I often did. I assumed they’d be afraid to attack anyone’s atheism as they’ve no explanation for their nonsensical ideas. To any atheists reading this, fight back! Do not let someone talk down to you when they’re the one with the crazy, outrageous beliefs. It’s not that hard to make fun of someone for believing in a magical sky daddy that’s going to take their nightmares away. I don’t like this video because it makes atheists look like they’re being looked down on or even bullied. I’ve always felt like I’ve been above the average religious person and have always looked up to atheists as much more intelligent, respectable people. Atheists looking down on Christians?..Easily understandable. Christians looking down on atheists?…How?

    • Anonymous

      Maybe it’s not your atheism but your insufferable arrogance that turns people off.

      • Ed Klopfenstein

        What an intelligent comment. You must be an atheist.

  • Gordon Sands

    don’t worry guys….this is why America is the first fifth world country in human history 😀 😛

  • Gordon Sands

    don’t worry guys….this is why America is the first fifth world country in human history 😀 😛

  • Gordon

    How could an atheist be a devil worshipper? We don’t belive in the devil you numnuts

  • Gordon

    How could an atheist be a devil worshipper? We don’t belive in the devil you numnuts

  • Lily

    Everyone knows the earth is simply a cell within something far greater. A cell for example, like we are made of. We are simply the bacteria living within the cell, and one day like all cells, it will cease to exist.

  • Alex

    Come and live with us in Holland, were all Atheists (or agnosts)! We don’t believe that medieval crap anymore! Ok some do, but they are the miority here!!

  • Alex

    Sorry, minority!!

  • God

    Religion is the cancer of society.

    • Ed Klopfenstein

      Pretty odd statement coming from “God”

    • Awel A

      PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE tell your followers that immediately, they’re driving me nuts : )

  • Serious?

    Long live separation and superiority!

  • Mipe

    I’d love to live in Europe or Canada. But it’s unfortunately not an easy thing to do.

  • Anonymous

    OK, Pascal, not a very original hypothesis. Look it up and evolve.

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  • Anonymous

    The universe is random chaos and we are just a freak occurrence, a speck of dust, a brief blink of “life” framed before and after by eternal darkness.  The total emptiness forever, The sure extinction that we travel to, and shall be lost in always, not to be here, not to be anywhere, and soon, nothing more terrible, nothing more true. The good done,  the good not done, the love and effort given, all, all futile and eventually, totally and utterly meaningless.  It fills my heart with joy and happiness.

    • Clix (ክሊክስ)

      Even the persons who advanced such argument as a novel thought originally could not preach it with as much certainty as you do.  Foolproof certainty is a luxury only for those who have never synthesized a novel thought on their own, yet simply repeat thoughts advanced by others more confidently and boisterously than the original thinkers.

  • Guest

    Would I be wrong to say cool story bro? This made it sound like atheist are totally helpless people, but intelligent. Do you understand that a lot of people have had worse done to them for their religion and their race. That sucks that people call you names, stand up for yourself. I do agree to a point that atheist are often smart but the fact that you put them in this category, in a way, defies what most atheist look to do. Break away categories in a sort. I am a Christian I do believe in God. I also believe in all of the teachings in the Bible, the morals it teaches. You may get upset, that’s understandable. You must feel attacked. You will most likely judge a small error in what I say. That’s okay. Just acknowledge that you do not have it so bad.

  • Jamjam

    I know only a few who truely believe in a God…
    The most of the people I meet are Atheist and Agnostics.

    And every person who has only a little bit of a logic brain, doesnt fully believe in the Skydaddy.

  • Daniel

    I wasn’t aware atheists were hated so much in America. I’m glad we’re so much more open minded here in the UK (and the rest of europe too).

    • Jamjam

      Yeah… Americans are weirder then we think in Europe…
      How can an educated and modern country as the US be so terribly religious?

  • Pinkpipin

    Why must this level-headed documentary end with the statement regarding atheists as the most intelligent minority in the U.S? 

  • Anon

    Too everyone who have posted on this video:DO NOT ARGUE WITH STUPID,THEY WILL DRAG YOU TO THEIR LEVEL AND BEAT YOU ON EXPERIANCE

  • percentajes

    7.6% + 12.5% + 13.5% + 20% + 22.6% + 26.3% + 39.6% = 142.1%

  • http://www.facebook.com/mpbuckie Marcia Peterson Buckie

    wow. I am not an atheist but I cannot comprehend how you an argue with what someone believes. It does not detract from your faith is someone else doesn’t believe it. You do not need religion or theism to be a moral and ethical person.

  • Gcaml

    Atheism? i just think religion is all bullshit,but i don’t hold onto anti religion the way people hold on to religion, am i atheist? i dont think so by the way these people seen to be explaining it.

  • Guest

    According to the comments below, you atheist do sound so very intelligent indeed.  

  • ProudToBeAtheist

    Really this is just more proof that the so-called believers are self-deluding assholes and worse they bother the people that actually recognize their religious zealotry as stupid

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Warren-Tierney/537166145 Warren Tierney

    I think this is a misrepresentation of the most successful and intelligent people in the world as your last comment states, you are attempting to eliminate one dogma and create another. Just be a postmodernist 

  • Janjohansen666

    Blind religious fools…….

  • NoName

    I have experienced it first hand in a muslim country. I dare not say openly that I am an atheist. If I did that I would be taking my life in my own hands. I have not formally disclosed it to my wife either. One of my older and one younger brother knows about it and for my sake they keep pretending that I am not a believer.  In religious law for a muslim to convert to any other faith or become an atheist the punishment is death.

    Education campaign in US, Canada and Europe is good and necessary but the challenge of educating the masses in Islamic country has not even been comtemplated. If these countries could only view the world and themselves from a secular point of view that will be the end of their chains of ignorance, poverty, disease and hunger.

  • guest

    Where in the bible does it talk about Dinosaurs?

  • Campbellnova

     I find it curious that Islamic and jewish country’s study the bible, and atheist are so crazy about it. Also atheist…. I’m sorry if someone says you are gonna go to hell… Unfortunately that is the risk you take. For your sake I hope you are right, but im gonna be just fine 😉 God Bless I hope more Christians start praying for you instead of judging you.  

  • Blah

    I am not an atheist, but given the discrimanatory nature of this ‘documentary’ how dare you judge others because their view disagrees with you. Tell me the American public that distrusted atheists (an apparently anyone else isn’t Christian or white or straight either), are they the same American public where only 18% own a passport? Perhaps they should get some perspective of the World before passing judgements. The same population where one in five Americans thinks the Sun revolves around the Earth?! Are these the people answering this questionairre? America is the only country I have been to where there is such a polarity in intelligence, while I have met plenty of intelligent Americans, I have met Americans so stupid they I am amazed they made it to adulthood, when visiting from England people asked us if we had fridges in Europe. Another time in Brazil meeting an American they asked an Irish woman if Ireland had electricity! An opinion pole of people that cant even point to their own country on a mpa proves nothing. The USA needs to improve its education rates, and its child death rates (highest in the developing world) before it turns its attentions of people that have different beliefs to themselves, beliefs that do not affect their own lives in the slightest.

  • sln

    I’m a spiritual person, I believe in “God” (but don’t think of him/her as any of the textbook kinds of God) and I married an atheist.  I have occasionally had a tough time with it, but overall it isn’t a problem.  We both allow each other to be who we are as individuals, and in my opinion that’s how all of us should be.  On the other hand, I really do believe that most atheists are simply frightened of being duped.  I think that deep down they know there is ‘something out there’ but they can’t decide exactly what that is and since science can’t answer the question they are reluctant to commit to spirituality.

    I wish everyone would understand that science doesn’t need to explain everything:  that things can be TRUE even when science can’t prove it to be so. 

    much peace, much love.  no fear.
    sln

  • Me

    “What do atheists believe, nothing.” So VERY UNTRUE. We may not believe in a magical being who commands you to follow his way or forever be damned in a pit of fire, but that does not mean we do not believe in anything.  I believe in the world around me and how I am so intricately associated with it and how my body will become a part of the earth once I pass.  I do not believe that a “soul” exists within my body and will fly into the clouds. All religion is based on “faith” which is nothing more than a pacifier. Pacifier? As in pretending something better exists beyond this realm, making them feel better. If everyone is so faithful, why are they afraid to die? I’m sure if I were a true believer, I wouldn’t be the least bit afraid of death because I knew I’d be in a better place.  Religion, not just Christianity, has so many flaws and holes of logic.

  • tylerdurden

    i would whole-heartedly love to go to europe, or canada, so that i to could rid myself of this sick and disgusting american religion brainwashing here in the states!! i can only hope that in the decades to come that we athiests can, and i’m ceratain we will, finally have the majority!

    • Ed Klopfenstein

      By all means, feel free. I hear the south of France is beautiful this time of year.

  • Mk

    being religious means following a group, atheism is thinking for yourself; so atheism is NOT a religion. Stop calling it that.

    • Clix (ክሊክስ)


      being religious means following a group’  

      Did you just make up that definition of what ‘religious’ means?

      ‘ atheism is thinking for yourself; so atheism is NOT a religion’

      If all atheists were original thinkers, there will only be one person who would call him/herself an atheists today, i.e. the first person who thought of the idea.  Therefore, the rest of the atheists after the first one ever are simply copycats.  Count yourself in that group.

  • Fuk

    o.m.g. you´re saying there´s something. you have nu proof for it. and now you want me to proof the nothing i belief in? it’s like you’re saying there’s a whale in my house but you can’t see it, and now i have to proof there’s now whale in my house….

  • http://www.facebook.com/BrunoSweetdog Bruno Sweetdog

    sooo good i wrote a song about it!

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Axel-White/1153414791 Axel White

      Wow, shamwow! 

  • Jesusrocks

    One time I knew a dyslexic agnostic. He would lie awake at night wondering if there really was Dog, hahaha. I was severely teased in school for becoming a true follower of Jesus. Most Americans want religion that gives them their fire insurance, but they don’t really want to follow the teachings of Jesus. True followers of Jesus are even more rejected than atheists, and also true followers of Jesus would love atheists no matter what, but still share truth with them lovingly. By the way the line at the end that says atheists are the least violent minority overlooks the fact that atheist based ideology is responsible for the deaths of millions in the last century, especially through Communism. If you really want to be a part of the least violent group become a true follower of Jesus.

  • mika

    read all the comments…this is to date the most eloquent gathering of intellectual masturbators i’ve read yet. it was amusing for about 20 minutes.

  • Andreiuta171

    “thank god” :) i live in Europe. This is not normal. If they were christians they would act in a different way, but they are superstitious people, not christians. Essentially they are bad people who need something to justify their horrible acts against everybody (even against god – because there is no person in the world that does what god tells him to do although in their mind are doing “the right thing”

  • http://www.facebook.com/DarkatTiamat Satisha Lilith King

    Move to Canada jeeze Canadians don’t hate on people for being Athiests people laugh at Christians more here then Athiests. 

  • Salbador

    In Europe the intolerance is exactly the opposite. If you affirm you´re a christian, or other faiths also, you will be discriminated. If I had to chose between any of the two discrimination types, I´d rather go for the american one, by far. Christianity brought much more good than bad to the world; atheísm is just starting to show its consequences: societies start failing to define a value code upon wich to create their laws – and there´s no such thing as a neutral moral code: the absence of positioning about something, is also a value in itself, and a much worse one. But of course that the best would be no discrimination whatever direction it goes.

  • eu

    bollocks

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZVQRXZXU4YRI4EDMQIX7YDGVAM Who

    I reason that existing views similar to what Gareth expressed could possibly be why there is distrust and antagonism towards Atheists from non-atheists (especially from Christians). 
     
    I just can’t reason that claims of atheists being more intelligent and better educated coupled with labelling Christians as intolerant, superstitious and idiotic…all under the context of who Is and who is Not welcome in Europe…would engender a positive feeling towards Atheists (especially from Christians). 

    It’s hurtful for me to watch the pain of these Atheists.  Pain caused by persecution, discrimination, and insults.  And I hope we can all avoid persecuting, discriminating and insulting…no matter who the person or the group.

  • billbatard

    i’m agnostic but religious people are so hypocritical i avoid them

  • billybatarded

    God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh.VoltaireFrench author, humanist, rationalist, & satirist (1694 – 1778)

  • Firephantom77

    I don’t have problem with atheists, mormons, catholics or treckies as long no one gets hurt and everybody is treated with respect.

  • Robin

    Fortunatley, this is not the case in Canada, generally speaking.

  • joelloth

    Wait what? People are actually persecuted for atheism in America? People are ‘coming out of the closet’ and saying they are atheist? I quite honestly had no idea that this was the case anywhere in the world in regards to atheism. I live in Australia and have never experienced anything even remotely like this in relation to my atheism. America, what are you even doing anymore?

  • Mike

    why add the mythbusters? there minor celebs at best and make me ashamed to be count as an atheist

  • Hypno-U

    Sad

  • Humbleforest

    Dear Global Friends,
    1st type of Atheist…( False or Fake Atheist ) isone who uses the word blindly or follow blindly, just as to protect or make an excuse of oneself for personal gain , egoism ,fame , power , greedand glamour. It shows that one does not fullyunderstand about nature and spiritual knowledge because one’s potential capacity of one’s mind is less than five percent developed. Sothe human mind of spiritual knowledge of comprehension of God ordemi-gods, or even fairies is very, very,very limited. This isdue to one’s pure-self which is covered with the past and present sins.
    This type of atheist may be a hindrance to societyand may mislead orcause confusion to the innocent ones.2nd type of Atheist…( Secular Law Abiding Atheist )knows how to behave positively without going against the law but have self-esteemed and is strongly attached to worldly materialthings.One may be of curiousity and chasing afterillusive proofs. But one does things fairly and moderately.
    One’s emotions are not stable. As stated from a proverb, “ curiousitykills a cat ”. This type of atheist is arrogrant and at timesone may isolate from others who are better than oneself or one maythink highly knowledgeable of oneself. Moderately one does one’sown way.3rd type of Atheist…( Moral Practioner Atheist )knows how to cultivate one’s inner and outer-self morally and practisecalmness meditation. These two methods are of paramount importance tooneself because they help to liberate one’s pure-self. One hasno strong desires for these materialistic things. One may isolatefrom others,but does not hate, disturb or cause any harm toothers. One may be in harmony to society and attimes volunteer to help the society. No doubtthat one does notbelieve in the existence of GOD, fairies and devils but one doesrespect them just like to human beings irrespective of races aswell as to nature. One does not pollute and contaminate the land,sea and space. One is in line with moral values and nature.Thistype of atheist is better than those religious persons whosehearts are empty of love for others and always claim one’sreligion is the most correctand supreme. If one’s thought stillremains with an iorta of impurity then one is within the realms of samsara, one of the 31 planes of the “Three Worlds”of reincarnation. 4th type of Atheist…( Enlightened Atheist )A 4th type of Atheist who has gained one’s enlightenment in receiving one’s Universal wisdom of ” spiritual knowledge ”which supersedes humanknowledge of comprehension requires a basiccondition to fulfill one’s attainment of this CosmicConsciousness through “Morality” and its Natural Way
    in calmness meditation as well. Inorder to attain this spiritual knowlege one needs to fulfill
    the conditions of self purification in one’s body,
    mind and soul in practising daily moral values with a compulsory
    in calmness and stable meditation. They are inseparable. There must not be a single impurity oftangible or intangible issue in one’s thought. It should be totallypure to liberate one’s pure-self out of the 31 planes of samsaraor the “Three Worlds” of reincarnation. This indeed is a trueand pure moral cultivator who detaches all worldly desires and can perceive in comprehension of natureand the world beyond. Then one becomes a non-atheist. Whetherone is an atheist, religious, or a non-religious, The SupremeAlmighty still loves all. HE does not discriminate any but isdiscriminatedby many. Whether one believes in HIM or not,HEstill delivers many things for humans, animals.sea-creaturesand plants to survive through many millions years until today. They are air, water, sunlight, cosmic energies, sea, air and landcreatures, crops, minerals as well as many seen or unseen objects. Only the ignorant, selfish, egoistic, stubborn,
    greedy and deluded humans are disobeying and destroying what HE has given. Mankind can only destroy the environment but they cannot replace back to her original statePlease have a heart of gratitude and Indiscriminate Love to all living and non-living beings, as well as to the Supreme Almighty so as to be classified as a One Civilised Humankind.

    Thank you for the sharing._______________________________________________________

  • Humbleforest

    Dear
    Global Friends…Atheists or Religious,
    What ever can be seen
    are all illusions and are all temporary real even our
    own body. Whatever can be seen where all the proofs and the
    truths are being distorted, twisted, abused, misinterpreted and
    misled by many immoral people to confuse and complicate the innocent
    people to follow their immoral ways or for their selfish gains and
    interests.
    Whatever cannot be seen are forever the Absolute
    Truth. They are IMMUTABLE. They exist before human beings were on
    this Earth.
    In fact, GOD is in front of us every second. So,
    how can one see GOD if one’s mind or knowledge is limited ? A
    limited mind or the undeveloped potential capacity of one’s mind is
    not fully developed to comprehend the ” Unlimited ” or the
    spiritual knowledge.
    Mother Nature or GOD as one called,
    gives all living and non-living beings, Air, Water, Sunlight, Cosmic
    Energies, etc, etc for billions of years free of charge and without
    even expect anything in return from human beings. Even everyone’s
    ancestors or forefathers need HER generous and priceless necessities,
    without which we won’t be here today and talk, discover and invent
    any technologies. Without our ancestors we won’t be here on this
    website today, as well. So, for those who are stubborn and ignorant,
    please shut your nostrils and mouth for a few minutes to see what is
    that that cannot be seen. Even non-living things need HIS invisble
    blessing, “oxygen” to create a fire.
    So, my dear
    atheists, please have a heart of generosity to thank the Merciful
    Almighty for the blessing in giving you free oxygen to sustain your
    daily life or else you need how much to pay for the artificial oxygen
    from the commercial greedy “ clever or intelligent ” people so
    self-proclaimed. Don’t be too egoistic.Clever people know how
    to destroy Mother Nature’s environment but they are unable to replace
    back to their original state. This is what is happening to the
    various natural disasters occurring, being created by mankind’s
    intelligence or cleverness ( stupidity )

  • Humbleforest

    Dear Global Friends,
    Whether
    one believes in GOD or not is not important.

    The
    important point is , one is judged not by what one believes,

    but by what one has
    done. The standard of judgement is the same for
    all living under the sun.You are what you are by your practices.

    It is the same for all who believe or do not
    believe.One’s conscience and one’s deeds are one’s
    witness.The Natural Law of Retribution judges all in fairness.

    No one will be able to evade this “ Universal Law. ”
    Retribution
    is the proof of reincarnation.Reincarnation is the proof of
    retribution.Do not wait until it is too late to believe it.Good
    or bad deeds is one’s life’s end proof.They are recorded onto
    the lines of one’s bothpalms, as proof. This is just a small
    part of thespiritual proof. The main part is our inner “ light
    ”,
    it is judged by the Supreme Almighty to see whether

    it is bright or dim, pure or
    impure.

    Believe
    it or not leaves it to one’s faith and wisdom.

    Please note:
    In fact we are like a frog in a well, with a limited knowledge trying to crack our limited mind to comprehend the limitless knowledge of the Universe and beyond. We are dreaming to be sitting on top of the world bragging or boasting on one’s limited intelligence, but we are nothing to be seen ( not even a dot ) from the Heavenly sky.
    It is just like a computer which is deprived of its required software to operate.

    Try to be humble, honest and polite of one’s gifted wisdom or knowledge of intelligence. A person of arrogance and ingratitude is a person of immoral value.

  • Humbleforest

    Dear
    Global Friends,

    Dear Global Friends,

    1st
    type of Religious Person whose teaching contains discrimination,
    intimidation and oppression on its followers or others is not a true
    moral religious teaching. It misleads others for one’s selfish
    benefits in gaining power, prestige and wealth. This is dangerous as
    this type may create chaos and confusions ( even bloodshed )

    2nd
    type of Religious Person whose teaching persuades others or its
    followers with false promises, mystic power, attractive benefits in
    tangible or intangible issues for its selfish gains is not a true
    moral religious teaching. This type craves for supernatural power,
    popularity and wealth.

    3rd
    type of Religious Person whose teaching does not teach the
    comprehension and practice of self moral cultivation and calmness
    meditation in harmonisation of Heaven, Earth and Mankind is not a
    true religious complete teaching. This teaching may mislead others
    for one’s personal interest and gains. This may be the mundane world
    of morality teaching. Temporary in moral practice.

    4th
    type of Religious Person is whether one is religious or not, does not
    matter. This is a teaching that advocates the principle of
    self-realisation to purify oneself in moral values so as to seek
    one’s original lost eternal “HOME” of pureness. It is a freedom
    of choice, wherby one is at liberty to choose one’s true religion or
    no religion. As long as there is a true moral teaching which guides
    one to regain one’s pure light energy as to liberate one-self from
    this world of uncontrollable temptations, pleasures and lustful
    desires in returning and merging with ONENESS of Permanency, then it
    is the right path. This is where Universal Love and Justice radiates
    to all. No expectation of rewards or claim credit for anything done.
    It is natural non-action in pure moral values.

    Praying
    faithfully to The Merciful Supreme Almighty without showering true
    love for all mankind does not mean that one is a religious person or
    a true moral cultivator. Heaven is judging what mankind is doing in
    moral or immoral.

    Judgement
    Day will be befallen to those who have abused, misinterpreted and
    misleading the true teachings of Heaven’s Truth in Moral Values and
    HIS way of Universal Love and Justice.

    Note :- Human
    beings can do whatever they like, but in the end they have to answer
    for their deeds when the messengers of Death come for their call.

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  • Parker

    Topic aside, the documentary was weak. Sound quality was subpar, the idea was unoriginal, the “facts” were biased, clips were streamed together ineffectively, background music was too loud at certain points, and I didn’t see anything that was filmed by the director himself. Looked as if he just browsed the web looking for clips that he could use to support his view.

    Just goes to show that if you use religion as a topic for anything, people will come.

  • Anonymous

    I am an atheist who came from an extremely religious family. From birth until I was 18 years old, I was indoctrinated and effectively forced to believe what my parents chose I should believe. When I decided to leave the faith, they asked me what proof I have that God doesn’t exist. Now correct me if I’m wrong, the onus of proof isn’t on me, it is on them and religion to prove to me I am wrong. Please don’t say “It is a matter of faith that God exists” or “It is a warm feeling inside” or “God works in mysterious ways” or any other number of religious platitudes. Show me that God exists in the same way I can prove the Earth revolves around the Sun (Christianity says sorry Galileo).

    I won’t go into thousands of years worth of human atrocities linked with religion, or famine/disease/disaster stricken continents. However, all you need to do is look at the advances in science, art, technology et al. since the church stopped burning anything/anyone it considered to be heretical. So yes, religion can be counter-productive for our learning and understanding of our world.

    Having said all of this, I still live to a set of moral values taught by my parents and I believe that Religion does teach good messages. Always be kind to your fellow man, charitable, honest etc. If all religions could practice what they preach then the world would be a much better place.

    • Clix (ክሊክስ)

      I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth.

      -Albert Einstein

  • Humbleforest

    Dear Global Friends,
    1st
    type of Atheist…( False or Fake Atheist )

    is
    one who uses the word blindly or follow blindly,
    just as to
    protect or make an excuse of oneself for personal gain , egoism ,
    fame , power , greedand glamour. It shows that one does not fully
    understand about nature
    and spiritual knowledge because one’s potential
    capacity of one’s mind is less than five percent
    developed. So
    the human mind of spiritual knowledge of comprehension of God or
    demi-gods, or even fairies is very, very,very limited. This is
    due to one’s pure-self which is covered
    with the past and present sins.This
    type of atheist may be a hindrance to societyand may mislead or
    cause confusion to the innocent ones.

    2nd
    type of Atheist…( Secular Law Abiding Atheist )

    knows
    how to behave positively without going against the law
    but have
    self-esteemed and is strongly attached to worldly material
    things.One may be of curiousity and chasing after
    illusive proofs. But one does things fairly and moderately.One’s
    emotions are not stable. As stated from a proverb, “ curiousity
    kills a cat ”.This type of atheist is arrogrant and at times
    one may isolate
    from others who are better than oneself or one may
    think highly knowledgeable of oneself.Moderately one does one’s
    own way.

    3rd
    type of Atheist…( Moral Practioner Atheist )

    knows
    how to cultivate one’s inner and outer-self morally and practise
    calmness meditation. These two methods are of paramount importance to
    oneself because they help to liberate one’s pure-self. One has
    no strong desires for these materialistic things. One may isolate
    from others,but does not hate, disturb or cause any harm to
    others.
    One may be in harmony to society and at
    times volunteer to help the society. No doubtthat one does not
    believe in the existence of GOD, fairies and devils but one does
    respect them just like to human beings irrespective of races as
    well as to nature.
    One does not pollute and contaminate the land,
    sea and space.
    One is in line with moral values and nature.This
    type of atheist is better than those religious persons whose
    hearts are empty of love for others and always claim one’s
    religion is the most correctand supreme. If one’s thought still
    remains with an iorta of
    impurity then one is within the realms of samsara,

    one of the 31 planes of the “Three Worlds”of reincarnation.

    4th
    type of
    Atheist…( Enlightened Atheist )

    A 4th
    type of Atheist who has gained one’s
    enlightenment in
    receiving one’s Universal wisdom of ” spiritual knowledge ”
    which supersedes humanknowledge of comprehension requires a basic
    condition
    to fulfill one’s attainment of this Cosmic
    Consciousness through “Morality” and its Natural Way

    in calmness meditation as well.

    Inorder to
    attain this spiritual knowlege one needs to fulfill the conditions
    of self purification in one’s body,
    mind and soul in practising
    daily moral values with a compulsory
    in calmness and stable
    meditation. They are inseparable.
    There must not be a single impurity of
    tangible or intangible
    issue in one’s thought. It
    should be totally
    pure to
    liberate one’s pure-self
    out of the 31 planes of samsara
    or the “Three Worlds” of reincarnation. This indeed is a true
    and pure moral cultivator who detaches all
    worldly desires and can perceive in comprehension of nature

    and the world beyond.

    Then one becomes a non-atheist.

    Whether
    one is an atheist, religious, or anon-religious, The Supreme
    Almighty still loves all.HE does not discriminate any but is
    discriminated by many. Whether one believes in HIM or not,
    HE still delivers many things for humans, animals.sea-creatures
    and plants to survive
    through
    many millions years until today.

    They are air, water, sunlight, cosmic energies,

    sea, air and land
    creatures, crops, minerals
    as well as
    many seen or unseen objects.
    Only
    the ignorant, selfish, egoistic, stubborn,

    greedy and deluded humans are disobeying and

    destroying what HE has given.
    Mankind
    can only destroy the environment
    but they cannot replace back to
    her original state

    Please
    have a heart of gratitude and Indiscriminate Love
    to all living and non-living beings, as
    well as to the
    Supreme Almighty so as to be classified as a
    One Civilised
    Humankind. Thank you for the sharing.

  • Anonymous

    Clix@a31b101a004a2a9dc983fd9bc54638ae:disqus 

         Alright pal I really didn’t want to get into it with someone that would post such tacky insulting language on a public forum but, I can not let you sit there and spout off your laws of atheism as if they are real. I am an atheist and no one informed me that I had to believe such nonsense. 1st- My parents, my x-wife and her children,and many of my friends are all religious people, and they are not in the least bit stupid in my opinion.  2nd- I have never nor will I ever try to change someones mind about the existense of any god. For one, it never works and usually ends up in people becoming insulting, much like yourself. Secondly, beleiving in god is not like believing santa- it carries life changing consequences, it often has been used by the person to negotiate through very trying circumstances and if you jerk it out from under them they may fall apart. I would never presume to know why someone believes in god, I only know why I don’t. So, maybe you could “get with the program” and stop deciding what everyone else believes and why.

         Yes, there is a popular movement amongst atheist to try and do away with religion but, it is not based on your assertions. We realize that it is people and their natural shortcomings that are ultimately responsible for the damage caused by organized religion, such as abortionist being murdered and people blowing themselves along with half the community away in the name of Allah. However, it is religion, organized religion especially, that gives these people the perfect outlet for their anger, greed, etc. The very nature of religion makes it the perfect tool for manipulation, extremism, exclusionism, etc. Now since we can not in any concievable way change the nature of people, what are we left with? The only common sense solution is to try and show people another way, a way to be whole and happy without the need of this kind of potentially destructive, always limitting, and usually exclusive, group mentality. We do this out of a love for our fellow man, not because we see him as stupid. That is why while I will gladly present my arguement on the subject, I would never force it on anyone, I would never insult someone based on thier beliefs. There are many atheist just like me, but because of our nature we do not generally get into these public displays of vitriol, so you never hear from us much on the subject, since respectful adult discussion of the topic is so rare.

    • Clix (ክሊክስ)

      Waldo…here you are at last! lol!

      Let me start with this one from your manifesto:

      “Now since we can not in any concievable[sic] way change the nature of people, what are we left with? The only common sense solution is to try and show people another way, a way to be whole and happy without the need of this kind of potentially destructive, always limitting[sic], and usually exclusive, group mentality. ”

      This according to you is the atheist mantra.  Now consider in comparison, the multitude of Christian missionaries who circumnavigated the world preaching salvation.  The tenet of Christianity is that people by nature are evil, and they need re-education/re-birth, through Christ to be saved.  They went to these ‘sinners’ covered with Christ’s love.  So, they went about to show people ‘another way’, and when people rejected the aforementioned another way, the missionaries turned violent.  While they’re at it, they stole the resources of people they came to lead to salvation and enslaved them.  Common sense if you think the trip there should be worthwhile.

      For a supposedly enlightened (I am assuming that’s what you think your atheism has done for you) person you reek of repeatism.  

      Here is another idea.  What about leaving people to their own resources to find what is spiritually valid to them.  Sounds like too much freedom to give to the unwashed masses, right?  It’s ok…you can trust them with their freedom.

      I never get much out of a response that starts with ‘Alright pal’, and that’s exactly what you gave me.  Thanks for nothing!

      • Brandon Schultz

        This is a pretty sad display, guys. Nowhere can the vast gulf between human islands be seen more clearly than in such discussions. Your exchange has served as a great reminder to me as to why I don’t get involved in such debates. Won’t even mention where I stand on atheism since it’ll spark some sort of raging debate.

        • Clix (ክሊክስ)

          What’s wrong with raging debates? Better than killing each other! Stop getting your panties in bunches (and get off your high horse while you’re at it), and get dirty.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Buya-Nami/25811468 Buya Nami

    Atheism is due to the lack of mental faculties needed to see the big picture, if someone believes everything came from nothing and with no cause then definitely I will mistrust that person because they are stupid, and stupid people are unpredictable like a wild animal so that is why Atheists are mistrusted…they could be nice people but very dumb as well.

    • Geust

      Hmmm, that’s what Atheists say about religious people…Maybe you believe in the wrong God?  I mean, if you talk like an atheist, maybe your god isn’t the real one.

      Perhaps you can tell me how God — the most advanced and wonderful thing anybody can imagine — came from nothing.

      I didn’t mean to call God a “thing”, I can’t think of a good word to use.  My apologies to God.

    • Kurt Smith

      I dunno, believing in magic, supernatural forces, angels, devils, virgin births, zombies, invisible creatures. THAT sounds pretty childish or stupid to me. All religious texts are pretty much superstitious nonsense. Man created all gods, simple fact.

      Christians and Jews don’t believe in Allah or Brahma. Hindus don’t believe in Yahweh or Allah. Muslims don’t believe in Brahma or Yahweh. Atheists agree with all of them.

  • the loler

    lololol, america is so backwards, atheism is shocking an unaccepted? America, get your head out of the dark ages, its 2011.

  • Anonymous

    Wow, how does one comment here, without noticing the circular argument that appeared from nowhere and concluded with nothing…

    I’m still not sure what anyone was talking about or how any of it related to this doc.  Maybe that’s part of the problem with labels like “Atheist and Christian”. 

    And the Labor Board stats?  Maybe that was the devil….

    Colour me confused.

  • Anusan Moorthy
    • Advertiser_Go_Home

      Don’t click on this advertisement. 

      Fuck you, Anusan Moorthy, I hope you die broke in the gutter you worthless piece of shit.

  • Burnbabyburn

    I have always believed that the american citizen is the biggest religious hypocondriac of them all – americans have the highest christian belief (sic) in the world and are yet the biggest criticizers (yet they are such christian people) scoff.  may they burn in their fire of ignorancance – you stupid ignornant pratts

  • Anusan Moorthy
  • Passageiro

    I think the primary question of this documentary only proves that when confronted, people prefer to separate themselves from each other by this choice of belief rather than by natural inherited characteristics or personal sexuality. It seems to be a great attitude toward the question and the only reasonable answer among the options we can see in the chart. 

    It seems an act of prejudice assuming it would be better if people pointed some other group as the disagreer one.

    Believing in God is a personal meter so i feel alright when someone disagree with me on that. And it doesn’t have to do with reason or logic. Is the same when it comes to believing or not in love. You don’t have to be able to prove it, its a meter of feeling it or not. I can feel God although i have no religion. And for me, knowing that there are people that doesn’t feel God, and doesn’t feel any of its signs, is something quit strange actually. Im not able to convince anyone about my feelings but i also can’t explain the flavor of an strawberry ice-cream. So i think is not right to try to convince that there is no God either, because somethings are not provable.

    Maybe its just a meter of nomenclature and we should remember we are arguing over (or under) a word that doesn’t have the same meaning for everyone.
    So please cut this thing about atheist being smarter than everybody else. Richard Dawkins, Cristopher Hichens, Einstein (who was a believer), when it comes to God, are as stupid as you and me.

    • Geust

      Nice thoughts; I bet the vast majority of humans everywhere would agree with what you’ve said.

      It almost seems like Christianity was designed to make us argue about things we can never truly know.  And then interesting, brilliant, entertaining people like Lawrence Krause “throw stones” at Christians, for no reason that I can see.

      I think if you say “My way is the only right way, and your way is wrong”, you will divide people, and I don’t see any positive outcome to that.

      You know, when I’m on the bus or something, I really don’t want somebody coming up to me and trying to save my soul.  I also don’t want somebody to tell me God is fake and implying I’m stupid if I don’t agree.

      I’m glad Documentary Heaven(!) puts up documentaries like this…it’s a great place for people to speak to each other, without fear. 

      And, yes, it’s fun to point out when people say things that are ignorant or bigoted; but it’s really nice to see that most of us can get along, despite having varying beliefs.

  • Ed Klopfenstein

    There’s nothing wrong with being a Christian as long as you truly follow Christ: turn the other cheek, adhere to peace over violence of any kind, turn yourself so loving that even John Wayne is a violent turn off. The problem is that most American Christians no longer worship Christ. They’re all hot and bothered by Creationism or whether people and Dino’s roasted marshmallows together or the latest Christian band or about staying within your “kind”. Jesus talked about going out into the world to be an example of love and of kindness, that means you must be of love and be kind. You actually have to do something and change and not just talk about it. He never said to shoot someone in an act of war and would abhor the way his name is used to bless troops or bless military actions.

    I can see why Atheists turn away from the church, but to turn away from Jesus’ message means they never gave him much thought to begin with. There’s nothing intelligent about ignorance.

    • Geust

      I’m a bit anti-Christian because of the behavior of so many Christians.  It is a shame that people like you don’t seem to be in the majority; I would love to have you as a neighbor.

      The true message of atheism is that we don’t need Jesus to tell us to be good neighbors; good people would do that on their own.  And bad people always seem to co-opt well-meaning groups and influence them to do bad things.
      What makes Christianity so useful to psychopaths is the idea of “God said it, I believe it, that’s that.”  It’s easy to control groups of people who willingly give up control to a higher power, one they can’t question.

      And when that psychopath has the ability to “forgive” you for doing bad things, he can more easily convince you to do things you would never otherwise do.

      So, there’s no “reason” to be a Christian; Christ wasn’t.  And many reasons to avoid Christianity.

      Stay safe, my friend.  And God bless.

  • Whitejaren

    Ahahahaha this is a joke right??

  • teahouse.

    I’m having a hard time taking this video seriously; it’s mostly propaganda. As though showing selected clips from right wing Fox News and images of “so-called” atheists implies that atheism is somehow superior — it’s ridiculous. I can give you examples of Christians too: Martin Luther King, William Wilberforce, Desmond Tutu, Bono,  Barack Obama, and Jimmie Carter, to name a few…

    Secondly, the claim that “studies” show atheists are more intelligent is false. Christianity has always placed an emphasis on self improvement and higher education. And I suggest you watch some films on how the Nazi’s also believed themselves to be more intelligent, better educated, and rational than the “barbarian”  before you start exalting yourselves. 

    I don’t have anything against atheists, I just think this new intolerant strand of “new atheism” is idiocy and bigotry incarnate. 

    • teahouse.

      I say this as a Canadian. 

    • Geust

      Hitler was most certainly a religious person.  He based his hatred of Jews on his understanding of God.  He tried, for a while, to tolerate scientifically useful Jews.  Eventually — inevitably? — his Christian side won out, making even useful Jews intolerable to him.

      Perhaps in Canada, Christians place an emphasis on education; here in Texas, Christians are anti-education.  Evolution is fake.  Global warming is fake.  They’re even starting to go after mathematics!!!  I see that some Canadian Christians don’t approve of “studies” and automatically write them off as fake, so your country isn’t immune to anti-science nuts.

      But I suppose that any Christian has to be anti-education in order to pass along the fallacy that Christians have always been for higher education.
      It is true, however, that as recently as 1989, the Pope actually agreed that it’s not a sin to believe that the Earth goes around the Sun, and not the other way around. 

      I don’t have anything against atheists, I just think the intolerant strand make themselves look as idiotic as anti-education Christians. 

      Atheists and anti-science Christians:  Two slices from the same idiot pie.

  • Guest

    How come you all have names?  I’m always called Guest, no matter what I put in.

  • Hbrrsn

    So many comments…so….anyone want to actually comment on the documentary?

  • Video Eye

    Christian fundamentalists in the US of A are no different than religious fundamentalists (like holy war islamists) all over this wonderful planet… they look at each other (not realizing they are looking at their own reflection) judging everyone they perceive as different – this is fascism and one of the roots of evil.
     

  • Kinu Grove

    Love for all people. I am a Christian but I still love Atheists. Some people just have to understand that we can agree to disagree. I don’t agree with them but I don’t hate them. Jesus never said to hate your neighbor but love your neighbor and he does not say love them only if they are a Christian. 

  • Adriandarby

    PRAISE JESUS

  • Darwinkilledgod

    I’d rather they didn’t say atheists were the most “progressive.”  There’s a large atheist group in modern day libertarians, ala Penn & Teller, Ayn Rand, Ayaan Hirsi Alie, and so on.  Progressives and freedom don’t get along well.

  • Anonymous

    So, given the debate below, where do we anti-theists fit in?

  • Helder Estevens

    this world dont have God.God is a invention of humans to fill expectations and somethings missunderstuds.paralel universes,quantum phisics,. think on water changes,paralel universes too.

  • Smart Moti

    is this only with atheists ????? i dont think so! its with every minority 

  • Caleb

    This thread depresses me.  It’s amazing how groups of people who have different experience start hating each other so easily.  I am an atheist, and yes I think its silly, but I don’t feel I have the liberty to walk up to a chubby lady in MacDonald’s and tell her to PUT DOWN THE EFFIN BURGER FATTY!.  Yet somehow as soon as religion is involved we feel the need to resort to name calling and insults in a matter of moments.  I am gonna have a drink I think, and my beer belly is sexy thanks for asking!

  • bleh

    Beautiful music!

  • Glowzomed

    Nobody talks more about hating Athiests than Christians..Because nobody hates more than Christians…They dont like being told that they dont have a grasp on reality.

  • benny

    ‘Atheist’ is a label to describe someone lacking belief in deities. The
    label is non-descriptive regarding everything else.
    Any generalization
    concerning atheists other than their non-belief in gods or the nature
    of the object the label pertains to, is untrue by definition.

  • malte

    What Gareth said, I’m from Finland. And we couldn’t care less if you’re atheist or a super god lover. You are what you are.

  • Geripc

    God really does NOT care about atheists beliefs or religious beliefs. He sees the way we behave. He believes in Himself. Check the Ten Commandments again.

  • Geripc

    We created religions to define who God is or not to us. Our fighting and quarreling and killing each other shows this fact
    everyday for as long as we have been here. So, when are we going to
    change? God won’t. He says we are all wrong from Genesis through to Revelation and sometimes He even treats us accordingly.  Let people believe what they want to believe;it’s not about you, it’s about God so, if there’s a God let Him take care of it. Leave people alone.

  • awful_truth

         First things first. If you want people to understand your position of faith (or lack there of) you lose credibility when you deceive or outright lie to support your position. Example 1: Bruce Lee was a taoist, not an athiest. Since I know so much about this individual, I now question the validity of all the other faces labelled as athiest in these docu-clips.
         Secondly, the statement that athiests are more despised in America even over Muslims is rediculous. Using clips from fascist networks like FOX is not a supporting argument. (anyone ever been rejected or profiled  for catching a flight overseas because they were an atheist?)
          Thirdly, tens of millions of right wing fundamentalists in the U.S call themselves Christian, like somehow Jesus was some gun toting capitalist, when in reality he was crucified a week after he overturned the tables of the moneychangers, and drove them out of the temple.(how dare you turn my father’s house into a shop) Don’t take my word for this, it is in 3 of the 4 canonic gospels.
         What I can say with certainty, is that these clips are as devisive towards people of faith, as are the fundamentalists are towards athiests.(athiests are intelligent, people of faith are not-give me a break) Since no one gets to ‘walk between the raindrops’, save your whining about being minimalized as an athiest. In reality, the awful truth is, there is higher forms of life, but what that is has never been properly identified because you have those on one side of the equation who want it to be what they wish it to be (all knowing, all powerful) in an attempt to console their ignorance and fear.  On the other side  of the equation, you have those in denial, bereft of any higher sense of purpose, because they recognize the hypocracy they were fed, but weren’t intellligent enough to figure it out for themselves.  
           I have no doubt that ‘good moral people’ come in many shapes and forms regardless of whether they have faith or not, but true intelligence comes from the wisdom of disregarding any form of bi-polar thinking. ( One or the other epitomized by George Bush – if you are not with us, you are against us) Science itself has taught us that both opposites(faith/science) of the same coin co-exist simultaneously. (the certainty of relativity, and the uncertainty of quantum mechanics)
           When people come to grips with this paradox, only then can they attain true enlightenment. Since I never found any religion that encompasses this mindset, I had to discover the truth based upon the facts, and here they are:  

           The
    universe is a brain. When I look up, I no longer see stars and nebulous, I see
    neurons and dendritic connections. If we assume I am correct, here is the
    implications.
    1) the universe lives on it’s own realm of space and time.
    2)We are thoughts in the universe which created us.
    3) Our purpose in life is to learn and pass the information on so the universe
    can cope within it’s own realm, much like we do in ours.
    4) The universe/god is not all knowing and relies on us.(imperfection/broken symmetry)
    5) I am a god to my thoughts. I create my thoughts which in turn creates other
    thoughts, much like having children.
    6) Immortality can only occur if we live a life worth remembering.
    7) Immortality means reliving the same life over and over, everytime our
    dendrtic connection is activated.(so make it a good one)
    8) If there was no life, what would be the point of the universe?
    9) There can be no life without thinking or thoughts! (past/present/future-consciousness)

          This is why I say that I am spiritual, not religious, because no man made
    religion has yet incorporated an all encompassing thought process. On the
    contrary, they are as divided as the duality that created them. (only through
    Christ-everyone else forsaken, only thorugh Ala, everyone else forsaken, the
    jews are the chosen people!) In other words, I don’t care if it is a Christian
    crusade or a muslim Jihad, it is all hypocritical mindless fanaticism to me, as
    a self justification of actions that are against the very scripture they
    purport to believe in. (my hypocracy only goes so far) A continuation of this
    hypocracy is to believe only in natural selection which is purely survival.(dog
    eat dog) Hitler liked this thinking (Darwinism) which supported his ideology
    towards the master race. This ultimately led to Eugenics and planned parenthood
    with forced sterilization. This all occurs because love, morality, and
    compassion don’t enter the equation much like a capitalist doesn’t want
    regulation so their greed addiction (cancer/imbalance) can be fed to oblivion.
           Scientifically speaking, the unvierse is not expanding, it is collapsing in on
    itself under the force of gravity, and it is accelerating.(confirmed late 90’s)
    When scans were done on human brains, and they went back a decade later and
    rescanned, they found the configurations changed. When they zoomed in further,
    they found the same configurations were still there, but they had shrunk.
    Since I conceived this idea 25 years ago, I have not found anything scientifically
    or religiously incongruent, or in contradiction to what I have surmized so
    far.

          Now,
    I could be wrong, because I am not all knowing, nor am I perfect.
    I am not going to slam this down anyone’s throat, nor am I going to attack
    those who think differently than me. What I do know is humanity is in severe
    need for a paradigm shift in thinking, or we better quit having children for their sake.(global slavery) I do feel it is time for this idea
    or something similar(preferably better if possible) to take hold, but I haven’t seen one yet.
    In any case, I hope what I have written makes those who read it think, not
    necessarily like me, just think, because humanity is running out of time.
        If you don’t believe me, that is okay, I won’t
    be offended. If you can find something that better explains existance, I am all
    ears! Either way, my intent was to give the readers something new to chew on beyond the same old arguments that have been occuring for thousands of years. Thinking is a sign of intelligence, and for those who wish to join 1 of the 2 other camps, I would like to ask the same question that Dr. Phil asks so frequently.
    (how is that working for you?) Best wishes to all of the readers, take care, and live long and propser!

  • http://www.virtuosi.nl Trevor Howe

    Wow, i really identify with many things you are saying. I studied philosophy as a sort of self help course working through a troubled youth… The only danger (and i think you would agree) is that your truth may not necessarily be mine – there are as many truths as their are subjects…

    I get your point, but reading it comes across slightly zealous, but much credit for putting on the line. As soon as you stick your neck out someone will cut you down. One of the truths I learned… once you commit pen to paper someone will invariably piss on your parade. For me truth is the authority, my truth – not yours or anyone elses… the irony in this is I think alot of the people in this feature would hold up truth as a ‘holy grail’ also while decalring themselves ‘athiest’ for the sake of argument.

    I was bought up Roman Catholic, and take much from the message of the gospels. We can only learn from the wisdom, and I have learned to accept that there are some things that cannot be ‘known’ in any scientific sence. Each must find truth on thier own terms – assigning a label to this quest is divisive indeed. I believe myself that the truth exists, some choose to accept it into thier hearts, many do not to varying degrees for whatever reason.

    An irish mate of mine, known as Donga’s, puts it another way; “There are two types of people in the world, those that are ok & assholes”. People can deceive themselves, but not the likes of Donga’s… Lets stop glorifying labels – there are assholes in every religion, every denomination, every culture. What matters is that there are good people also trancending these boundaries each and every day of thier lives. Have the balls (or vagina) to hold up the truth as the ultimate authority – you know in your heart what is true, don’t let anyone or anything lead you from the path.

    Beam me up Scotty.

  • Andrew

    I’m an atheist, and I don’t care if U.S. hypochristians like it or not. In fact, I don’t live my life to please the beliefs of those that would believe in a magical skydaddy. religion=control=slavery

  • Greenwood Bob

    This is why I am so glad I live in a relatively civilized part of the country. Let me rephrase that, I am very glad that random chance had me born to parents in one of the least “churched” parts of America. I am glad I live in a part of the country where I don’t have to worry what will happen if someone goes to my employer with a complaint about me posting, as myself, that people who believe in imaginary friends past the age of 10 are fucking delusional. Because, yeah, I make it pretty common knowledge that I think people who have religious faith in things that contradict observable fact are a danger to civilization, and need professional treatment.

    To those of you how have seen reason, and live in areas that do not welcome you, I have one thing to say: get the fuck out as soon as you can. Areas that tolerate, much less celebrate, primitive superstition, and persecute reason, deserve to face a constant drain of the best and the brightest.

    On a separate note: Who was the idiot who included an known psychotic like Ayn Rand in the list of known atheists? While we can point out to far worse monsters being “Good Christians”; like Adolf Hitler, who died a devout Roman Catholic in the good graces of the Church, we really shouldn’t list someone like her, in that list of respectable people.

  • Paul

    An atheist is someone who is trying to save this planet as he doesn’t believe in ressurection and is not eager to witness man-made apocalypse. So who is living as a parasite, sucking it’s host blood till death ?

  • dan

    I had to quit it halfway through the second part. I do somewhat understand what you’re trying to say, and I think through the vignettes you did get at it a bit… but spending half of your screen time with a slideshow of photographs of famous people who happen to be non-believers lends nothing whatsoever to your argument.

    When I am not a secularist I am an atheist. When I am not an atheist I am an anti-theist.

    That said I couldn’t really find this video worth what time I spent watching it even for the commiseration factor an atheist might find in watching videos of an atheistic bent… and if it is not meant for atheists, but to call the attention of the theistic to their own hateful prejudices, then I cannot imagine any scenario in which it might preform its intended task.

    I laud your motivation, and would far prefer the video I think had you stuck to allowing theistic bigots to say their piece without commentary. Their own words make your point for you.

  • chandy

    why is it that everyone who is religeous,.
    is so concerned about god.
    We could spend all tha energy in caring for the needy poor,and the sick.
    If God is so superior HE certainly does not want any repressentataives.
    We have different kinds of humanbeings on this planet,with varying intelligence ,acceptance,attitudes analytical minds etc.
    so it is up to the individual to make choices.
    Religion may or may not be big money spinner.
    SO WHO CARES ABOUT GOD . ITS ALL ABOUT MONEY .IT ALL ABOUT ME,ME AND ME.

  • Mark

    All this is so true. Truly the word “atheist” shouldn’t even exist just like we don’t have afairyists or a word for people who don’t believe in astrology. It’s obvious why they trust the others more because they teach the same drivel about gods, wish thinking, selfish material gains in the afterlife, power and prestige in this world by force because they cannot keep their religions to themselves. They MUST seek to interfere with the lives of others. Living in the USA, the religious fanatics are spreading like a disease trying to remove the rights of citizens, destroy the constitution, force women to be treated like chattel all over again, and turn this country into theocracy. If it happens, I invite every country in the world to invade to stop future christian tyranny, which always turns into the worst and bloodiest tyrannies that history sees. DON’T LET IT HAPPEN AGAIN!

  • Ian Fenech

    A short comment on the caption, calling yourself an atheist is not an admission, it’s an assertion!

  • http://Nil humbleforest

    Dear Global Friends, 1st type of Atheist…( False or Fake Atheist )
    is one who uses the word blindly or follow blindly,
    just as to protect or make an excuse of oneself
    for personal gain , egoism , fame , power , greed
    and glamour. It shows that one does not fully understand about nature and spiritual knowledge because one’s potential capacity of one’s mind is less than five percent developed.
    So the human mind of spiritual knowledge of comprehension
    of God or demi-gods, or even fairies is very, very,
    very limited. This is due to one’s pure-self which is covered
    with the past and present sins.
    This type of atheist may be a hindrance to society
    and may mislead or cause confusion to the innocent ones.

    ** 2nd type of Atheist…( Secular Law Abiding Atheist )
    knows how to behave positively without going against the law but have self-esteemed and is strongly attached to worldly
    material things.
    One may be of curiousity and chasing after illusive
    proofs. But one does things fairly and moderately.
    One’s emotions are not stable. As stated from a
    proverb, “ curiousity kills a cat ”.
    This type of atheist is arrogrant and at times one may isolate
    from others who are better than oneself or one may think highly knowledgeable of oneself.
    Moderately one does one’s own way.

    ** 3rd type of Atheist…( Moral Practioner Atheist )
    knows how to cultivate one’s inner and outer-self
    morally and practise calmness meditation. These two methods are of paramount importance to oneself because they help to liberate one’s
    pure-self. One has no strong desires for these
    materialistic things. One may isolate from others,
    but does not hate, disturb or cause any harm to others. One may be in harmony to society and
    at times volunteer to help the society. No doubt
    that one does not believe in the existence of GOD,
    fairies and devils but one does respect them just
    like to human beings irrespective of races as well as to nature. One does not pollute and contaminate the land, sea and space.
    One is in line with moral values and nature.
    This type of atheist is better than those religious
    persons whose hearts are empty of love for others
    and always claim one’s religion is the most correct
    and supreme. If one’s thought still remains with an iorta of impurity then one is within the realms of samsara
    ( rebirth ), one of the 31 planes of the
    “Three Worlds”of reincarnation.

    ** 4th type of Atheist…( Enlightened Atheist )
    A 4th type of Atheist who has gained one’s enlightenment in receiving one’s Universal wisdom
    of ” spiritual knowledge ” which supersedes human
    knowledge of comprehension requires a basic condition
    to fulfill one’s attainment of this Cosmic Consciousness
    through “Morality” and its Natural Way in calmness meditation as well. Inorder to attain this spiritual knowlege one needs to fulfill the conditions of self purification in one’s body, mind and soul in practising daily moral values with a compulsory in calmness and stable meditation. They are inseparable. There must not be a single impurity of tangible or intangible issue in one’s thought. It should be totally pure to liberate one’s
    pure-self out of the 31 planes of samsara or the “Three Worlds” of reincarnation.
    This indeed is a true and pure moral cultivator who detaches all worldly desires and can perceive in comprehension of nature and the world beyond. Then one becomes a non-atheist.
    Whether one is an atheist, religious, or a
    non-religious, The Supreme Almighty still loves all.
    HE does not discriminate any but is discriminated
    by many. Whether one believes in HIM or not, HE
    still delivers many things for humans, animals.
    sea-creatures and plants to survive through many millions
    years until today. They are air, water, sunlight, cosmic energies, sea, air and land creatures, crops, minerals as well as many seen or unseen objects. Only the ignorant, selfish, egoistic, stubborn, greedy and deluded humans are disobeying and destroying what HE has given. Mankind can only destroy the environment but they cannot replace back to her original state
    Please have a heart of gratitude and Indiscriminate Love to all living and non-living beings, as well as to the Supreme Almighty so as to be classified as a One Civilised Humankind.
    Thank you for the sharing.
    ____________________________________________________

  • http://Nil humbleforest

    Dear Global Friends…Atheists or Religious,

    What ever can be seen are all illusions and are all temporary real even our own body.
    Whatever can be seen where all the proofs and the truths are being distorted, twisted, abused, misinterpreted and misled by many immoral people to confuse and complicate the innocent people to follow their immoral ways or for their selfish gains and interests.

    Whatever cannot be seen are forever the Absolute Truth. They are IMMUTABLE. They exist before human beings were on this Earth.

    In fact, GOD is in front of us every second.
    So, how can one see GOD if one’s mind or knowledge is limited ?
    A limited mind or the undeveloped potential capacity of one’s mind
    is not fully developed to comprehend the ” Unlimited ” or the spiritual knowledge.

    Mother Nature or GOD as one called, gives all living and non-living beings, Air, Water, Sunlight, Cosmic Energies, etc, etc for billions of years free of charge and without even expect anything in return from human beings. Even everyone’s ancestors or forefathers need HER generous and priceless necessities, without which we won’t be here today and talk, discover and invent any technologies. Without our ancestors we won’t be here on this website today, as well. So, for those who are stubborn and ignorant, please shut your nostrils and mouth for a few minutes to see what is that that cannot be seen. Even non-living things need HIS invisble blessing, “oxygen” to create a fire.

    So, my dear atheists, please have a heart of generosity to thank the Merciful Almighty for the blessing in giving you free oxygen to sustain your daily life or else you need how much to pay for the artificial oxygen from the commercial greedy “ clever or intelligent ” people so self-proclaimed. Don’t be too egoistic.

    Clever people know how to destroy Mother Nature’s environment but they are unable to replace back to their original state. This is what is happening to the various natural disasters occurring, being created by mankind’s intelligence or cleverness ( stupidity ) _________________________________________________________

    Religion is not a political issue but its Universal Truth of Moral teachings is to be used in a political arena as to create World Peace and Harmony as to become a Globalised One Big Community without any discrimination whatsoever, having a Union of Diverse fields.

  • http://Nil humbleforest

    Religious teachings guide everyone to love, share and care one another with a moral pure heart. They do not teach anyone to hate, discriminate nor to kill one another. They guide us to seek our original lost eternal Pureland.
    It is human beings who tend to be too clever to go against Its moral path, thus fallen into this deluded world as to confuse oneself and others.

    Religion and You or I ”
    1. Religion teaches us the true moral way of life in moderation, justice peace and harmony with indiscriminate love in sharing and caring one another.
    2. Religion teaches us to have filial piety towards our parents and elders.
    3. Religion teaches us to be humble, polite and respect one another without any discrimination whatsoever.
    4. Religion teaches us not to be greedy, selfish and dishonest.
    5. Religion teaches us not to cheat, pretend and be lazy.
    6. Religion teaches us not to be arrogant by threatening, suppressing, despising or belittling anyone.
    7. Religion teaches us not to commit adultery, infidelity and sexual misconduct by craving for more than one wife unless the one-wife cannot conceive or under infertility.
    8. Religion teaches us to dress moderately well by not be too seductive nor exposing one’s bodily parts.
    9. Religion teaches us not to chase strongly after fame, power and immoral wealth.
    10. Religion teaches us not to be too rigid in one’s moral practices
    Many moral teachings are set for human beings to practise, but it is due to a small group of immoral people who are against Heaven’s Principles in misleading the innocent or the ignorant ones for their selfish interests or gains.
    Freedom are being given to human beings by the Supreme Almighty, but many ingratitude people are abusing and misusing freedom for their personal or selfish gains. Most of the times moralities are being distorted, twisted and misleading by these immoral people.

    Too Dictatorship the innocent people suffer without freedom. Too Democratic or too much freedom the innocent people also suffer because the secular laws are being abused and misused by immoral or greedy people or leaders for their personal profits.
    Therefore, Moderation in walking the moral path leads one to Peace and Harmony to develop into a future of a One Global Civilised Mankind.
    1. Atheist or a Religious person has one’s choice to decide…..
    2. Satan (Demon) or Divinity has one’s choice to merge……….
    3. Moral or Immoral is one’s choice to walk………

  • http://Nil humbleforest

    Dear Global Friends,
    1st type of Religious Person whose teaching contains discrimination, intimidation and oppression on its followers or others is not a true moral religious teaching. It misleads others for one’s selfish benefits in gaining power, prestige and wealth. This is dangerous as this type may create chaos and confusions ( even bloodshed )

    2nd type of Religious Person whose teaching persuades others or its followers with false promises, mystic power, attractive benefits in tangible or intangible issues for its selfish gains is not a true moral religious teaching. This type craves for supernatural power, popularity and wealth.

    3rd type of Religious Person whose teaching does not teach the comprehension and practice of self moral cultivation and calmness meditation in harmonisation of Heaven, Earth and Mankind is not a true religious complete teaching. This teaching may mislead others for one’s personal interest and gains. This may be the mundane world of morality teaching. Temporary in moral practice.

    4th type of Religious Person is whether one is religious or not, does not matter. This is a teaching that advocates the principle of self-realisation to purify oneself in moral values so as to seek one’s original lost eternal “HOME” of pureness. It is a freedom of choice, whereby one is at liberty to choose one’s true religion or no religion. As long as there is a true moral teaching which guides one to regain one’s pure light energy as to liberate one-self from this world of uncontrollable temptations, pleasures and lustful desires in returning and merging with ONENESS of Permanency, then it is the right path. This is where Universal Love and Justice radiates to all. No expectation of rewards or claim credit for anything done. It is natural non-action in pure moral values.
    Praying faithfully to The Merciful Supreme Almighty without showering true love for all mankind does not mean that one is a religious person or a true moral cultivator. Heaven is judging what mankind is doing in moral or immoral.
    Judgement Day will be befallen to those who have abused, misinterpreted and misleading the true teachings of Heaven’s Truth in Moral Values and HIS way of Universal Love and Justice.

    Note :- Human beings can do whatever they like, but in the end they have to answer for their deeds when the messengers of Death come for their call.

  • yen

    lol americans are so backwards

  • Fillyfresh

    FOX news is an insult to humanity.

  • zombie Jesus

    This is a joke right? They don’t do this on American TV.
    Can’t be.
    They act just like Iran.

    They have something in common now! Why don’t they make peace, so they can destroy that evil atheist countries around the world.

    Oh shi-

  • Jay

    Compared to the numerous (and long) comments, I’ll make this short and to the point. Atheism is winning the battle.

  • Jay

    Oh!…I forgot to add this…. humbleforest… get a life will ya?

  • humbleforest

    Yeah sorry about all that actually, i was just talking out my ass.

  • Debbie

    I will take spiritual faith and the moral code that comes with it over religion any day.

  • Iris

    @awful_truth
    You could write a book, if only you could spell. Not that anyone would read it. Have fun with your ‘higher form of life’ and ‘enlightenment’ because that fastidious attitude isn’t going to get you anywhere.

  • Linda Chaney

    Freedom and Diversity are beautiful things! It’s not that this country is a Christian country! It’s that this country is suppose to be a FREE country! NO ONE should be bullied or made fun of because of their beliefs, no matter what they are! The idea of calling a Christian a “Bible Thumper” or calling an atheist a “Satanist” is pure hatred and meanness! We should ALL be TOLERANT! Especially as Americans. It’s a Wonderful thing to be the “Melting Pot” of this world! Who wants everyone else to be little cookie cutter clones of themselves? It’s ridiculous! Tolerance does NOT mean that we agree in any way with another person, but that we SUPPORT their freedom to believe and practice whatever religion, and to pursue LIFE, LIBERTY, and HAPPINESS, in whatever form that might be! THAT…not religion, is what our country is built upon. My father was my best friend in this life, and was a wonderful man…he was a Baptist preacher. My son, is an atheist, and one of the most talented people I know. What do I do with this information??? I CELEBRATE DIVERSITY, the way ALL good Americans should! I don’t walk into a store and see a person of color and think bad thoughts about that…we as a civilized country have surpassed that, or we should have. It’s barbaric to think otherwise. Why should we be any different about religions or ANY belief? In a country where there is a church on every other corner, we are “evangelical” enough! NO ONE wants people coming to the door or their private residence to try to shove ANYTHING down our throats. We have all kinds of phrases and sayings in this country like, “Live and let live!”, “Different Strokes for Different Folks”, and SO many more. I don’t want ANYONE to lose the freedom to pursue LIFE, LIBERTY, and HAPPINESS the way THEY want to, as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone or break any laws. We don’t need more evangelism by religion, or anymore laws (God forbid…sorry for the pun). What we need is for everyone who believes ANYTHING, but believes in America, to spread the original reason for our country, and that is FREEDOM! Freedom, Liberty, Peace, Love, Colorful, Different, Diversity, Tolerance, Eccentric, Eclectic…they’re ALL good words! Bullying, Harassment, Censorship, and SO many more words, are NOT good, and should NOT be accepted! Peace to all who read this!

  • DB

    It is amazing that Christians would spend any time at all thinking about atheists rather than pursuing all those millions.

    $1 million from the James Randi Foundation for proving the supernatural (i.e. existence of God)

    $1 million for the Nobel Prize in Physics for proving that God exists.

    $1 million for the Nobel Prize in Biology for proving God exists.

    $1 million at least for a book deal (considering J. K. Rowling made a billion of a franchise about a kid on a broom, expecting more here is not unreasonable)

    $10 million at least for the movie rights (see above).

    Of course, if you don’t really believe in imaginary sky man, you can just attack this comment and not waste out time trying to make tens of millions in an impossible way.

  • Asshole

    I prefer to take a simpler look at all this. An asshole is an asshole whether they believe in God or not. There are assholes of every religious stripe under the sun, including athiesm which is just another religious belief in my book.
    It doesn’t matter who you are, what you believe, how you live, or what you choose to do with your life, some asshole is going to treat you like an asshole because of it and there’s nothing you can do to change them because they’re
    assholes. If they want to be assholes, then let them be the assholes they are, and stop being an asshole about it!

  • Steel9

    Whatever gives you comfort. As long as no one is getting hurt who really cares. Also, bruce lee was not an atheist he just had a complex view on spiritually that a closed minded person could ill understand.

  • wazzo

    Any dejected American athiest come to Australia. We have great weather, beaches, and our prime minister is an athiest

  • Editorterry

    I’m an atheist, not an Atheist.  I think religious people are generally less self-centered and tend to be more democratic. Many of my atheist friends show their arrogance with all their attitudes, religion being just one facet. Most are leftists, and that leads me to wonder if they’re just neurotic malcontents looking to prove their self-annointed intellectual superiority.  Almost almost religions have skeletons in their closet. And Hitler, Stalin and Mao were atheists — All of them socialist createns.   Most religions at some point become  corrupt, but it is leadership and not often the ordinary adherent who should be blamed for that. To me a perfect religion would be less about dogma and more about an individual’s path in life. I’m not a wicked person.  I don’t kick dogs.  I believe in family, tradition and due respect of others’ beliefs.  That ‘s why I wonder if any rational god would smite an ethical person he brought upon this earth just because he didn’t believe in Him? If so, God must be a bit of an atheist as well.  Pardon me, my good Lord, that would be a very un-Christian thing to do. editorterry at AOL.com

  • Frogy34

    WOah ! I didn’t know atheism was so badly seen in america !
    Here in France nobody cares, but over there you get bullied and destroyed !

  • manyconcernedcitizens

    Hmmmmm, psychologically speaking I have always found it interesting that an extrapolation of atheism can lead to very unhealthy conclusions in weaker minds. Think Charles manson, Hitler, Mao, Stalin….One becomes, or can become “the god”. Please dont argue that those mentioned didnt have a little god complex about them, (or a lot…).
    Bobby Dylan puts it best, “You have to serve somebody”, otherwise one is serving oneself.
    There is nothing wrong with idolatry, one can worship a doorknob as far as I am concerned just as long as one believes its grander that oneself. Humility is all for a healthy life peeps.

    And FYI, I dont know about anyone else but quite a few of those depicted in this short as atheists are boorish, self important twats. Listen to them sometime….Dawkins in particular is beyond cringeworthy and should be banned from speaking on atheism as he gives the movement such a bad frontman.

    • Philosophical Ponderer

      People will be bad with or without religion. While Hitler, Manson, Mao, and Stalin committed atrocities and were atheists plenty of people have committed atrocities in the name of religion as well. For example the crusades and the inquisition (let’s not enumerate all the various examples of sectarian violence as well). People’s egos and self-importance exist with or without a god. The irreligious egotists see themselves as a manifestation of a a godlike figure while the religious tyrants see themselves as conduit through which god acts. When it comes down to it there is effectively no difference between the two.

      I will agree with you that Dawkins is a particularly awful frontman for atheism. He insists on picking apart belief on the grounds of logic and scientific thought, when really belief is definitionally free from the precepts of deduction. In other words, if you have to prove a belief it ceases to be a belief and becomes a fact.

      If atheism truly needs to be sold to the masses it needs to be pitched in terms of its positive aspects rather than the “logical” flaws in theism. Atheism allows the freedom moral judgement without being tethered to ancient holy texts. Atheism grants the freedom from the divine meaning of life and allows us to craft our own personal meaning in life. Atheism gives us the finality of graves, emphasizing the importance of the time we spend on this planet.

      Do not infer cause and effect easily. People will be bad with god and good without god just the same. The problem is, inherently, people and not the beliefs they hold.

      • Naia

        Hitler wasn’t an Atheist. He was a Catholic who thought he was doing God’s will.

  • Joestein

    the devils gonna get chya! lol stupid cults. I gueuss you must believe in supernatural beings to be taken seriously in america….. sigh …… ……… ……… ……… …… (middle finger extension)

  • Mariek

    Alfred Kinsey is so great? The man who advocated the raping of children by men with stopwatches is some kind of hero?… see The Kinsey Syndrome for full details

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1428870214 Terry Moonman

    I am not impressed by actors as examples of atheists. Fuck all celebrities, I hate mass hysteria surrounding famous people. Wacko Jacko is the perfect example. They made him the freak he was and when he, mercifully, bought it, they crucified the poor doctor. I would’ve given the guy a medal

  • Cheridatrott

    The real question is why do they feel threatened by us?

  • Mikebooysen

    Why not accept that people are different, get off this thread and live your life! If you are so dogmatic in your beliefs of no God, why waste the precious time you have (since there is no eternity) in trying to convince other people of how wrong they are. 
    The church has done some horrific things in the past, present, and they will continue to do so into the future, but that is not God, it is man’s flawed, greedy and corrupted representation of God, for their own gain. No christian on earth could give you all the answers, but if we had all the answers there would be nothing to believe in. The world was once flat, we were once the center of the universe. The greatest lesson from history is that man does not learn from history. Stop with the hate people. Don’t we all breath the same air, drink the same water, feel pain? Do yourself a favor and stop to deeply ponder your existence for a minute. Maybe if you feel you would like to know the facts about the other side of the story, check this out: http://documentaryheaven.com/the-case-for-christ/I guess it all comes down to living a happy life. If you’re not happy, does it really matter what you believe? That goes to all those Christians out there too.Have a great day errrrrrbody! From Taiwan. 

  • Oojpoo

    Religion has caused more death than any weapon ever created by man, and due to Zealots and fanatics is the cause of most of the worlds conflicts and woes. Not that being religious is wrong, but it is wrong to force your views on others and claim that their views are wrong, live your own life the way you wish so long as it does not cause peril to others and kindly speaking butt out of peoples lives.

  • Foolwhoplaysitcool

    That was awful. It should be taken it down.

  • Atheistlady1124

    I’m a hated atheist and PROUD OF IT!!! <3

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hugh-Beaumont/100001403673700 Hugh Beaumont

    That’s a sorry bunch of atheists. Whew am I glad I’m not one of them.

  • lutz

    This is the most bullshit bogus video ever. I don’t believe a word on here.

  • Fortuitous

    Actually two years ago when I was going to college in Pheonix, there was a chap screaming that the liberal agenda and college education leads away from god on campus. We had a confrontation, he threatened me with hell, I told him I was an atheist. The next week while walking back from classes, a group of guys pushed me into an alley. Before I could respond, one clocked me in the jaw, sent me to the ground. Then they were on me, kicking and spitting, screaming that they would stop when I prayed to god, calling me athiest trash, the basics. I actually tried to pray-just to get them off, but one kicked me in the throat so I couldn’t speak. I woke up a while later, they were gone. I found out later that they wrote athiest across my forehead. I walked two blocks before anybody helped me out. Thankfully somebody stopped, took me to the hospital. A concussion, 7 bruised ribs (thank god for an itallian build! Hooray for big bones), and a laundry list of other injuries.

    To clarify though, athiesm isn’t a religion, it’s the lack of one. While it is true, many athiests are prone to claiming certainty as to the lack of an existence of a god, this is more along the lines of proclaiming certainty that there are no unicorns. Most athiest are actually agnostic in regards to their belief in a god-meaning that with no evidence for or against, they default to the assumption that there isn’t. Again, to use unicorns as an example, I have no strong beliefs for or against unicorns, but until I see evidence they exist, the default position is that they don’t. i could be wrong, but without evidence or new information I won’t change my position. This isn’t due to faith, but simply due to the most logical assumption based on current information.

  • Ryan

    Anyone else realise that the statistics at the start add up to 142%?

  • Diego

    Doesnt matter if jew, catholic, christian, muslim, buddist, atheist or whatever ………………. What realy matters is we all believe in love, trust and respect! Greetings from Mexico.

  • Jake

    Take a trip to any C of E or catholic church in the UK on a Sunday morning, and I guarantee, that apart from a handful of elderly Polish immigrants, they will be empty. Here, Christianity tends to be the last bastion of the mentally ill.

  • Philosophical Ponderer

    I love these theist versus atheist arguments. It always devolves into an endless flame war which seems completely at odds with the core beliefs of each group. Here’s the thing:
    Atheists are people who think about existence, in what they hope is an objective way, and come to the conclusion that a godless universe makes more sense than one with a God. Theists on the other hand believe that existence only makes sense if there is a God. As far as I’m concerned both views are perfectly all right. Theists do not need to argue for the existence of God through logic and deduction because they believe. That is not to say that they are any less intelligent than atheists. Belief is a powerful force in people’s lives and is, perhaps, critical food for the human “soul”. Atheists aren’t amoral people either just because they don’t take their morals from holy texts doesn’t mean they don’t have any. In fact they have the freedom to craft their own moral codes through life which allows for more flexibility and the acceptance of others’ choices that don’t correspond with their own world views. That’s not to say religious moral codes are totally inflexible because they do tend to change with the times as well.

    What I’m trying to say is “Can’t we all just get along?” As an atheist I respect theists’ views and wish them all the best. I would just like the same in turn. I accept anyone and their pursuits so long as they don’t encroach on the freedom of others.

    It saddens me to see how to see how people on either side of this issue debate it. They use a rhetoric filled with hate and accusation, claiming that the other side is amoral or stupid. I recognize that I won’t win a true believer over to side of atheism with words, but I sincerely hope that I can help them see that atheists are no more inherently worse people than the religious.

    I hope that with this post I may facilitate a civil and respectful conversation between the two sides of this argument. Perhaps this is is vain but I have faith that neither side consists of inherently bad and quarrelsome people. Ultimately, I think theists and atheists that post in this context are thoughtful, kind people. Please treat each other with mutual respect.

    We are all good people.

  • Infidel

    Don’t forget Bill Gates and Warren Buffet, and countless others who are two afraid to speak out.

  • David

    Besides the discussion on religion, atheism, agnosticism etcetera; This film does not deserve to be called a documentary. It is merely a selective compilation of news shows and other TV programs adding some biased texts. It would be a documentary if it objectively approached the subject of religion and atheism in US society. Now it is merely as objective as FOX or CNN news. As a European I wonder: Why does it seem that American interest groups tend to polarize discussions (assuming this film was made by an interest group).

  • J

    I’m religious and I find this genuinely sad. I don’t understand how people can be so intolerant. I hope that changes one day.

  • Pete Dixon

    Believers just seem so ill-informed to me.. I’d find it very hard to take seriously any criticism or condemnation from them.

  • Marina

    Totally disagree with the last sentence of the first chapter: “the least violent,most tolerant, most intelligent, most progressive… most hated and mistrusted minority in the United States.” I don’t think that tolerance or intelligence have to do something with the personal beliefs or a person. Atheism is just the denial of an idea of a god (or superior being like that) and being atheist doesn’t make anybody intelligent as well as religion doesn’t make anybody stupid.

    • Naia

      It didn’t say that Atheism MAKES them intelligent. It means that intelligent people tend to gravitate towards Atheism.

  • eojhet

    I don’t see why this has such a high rating. Why do I care what celebrities are atheists? Just put it to sad music and its inspiring? This isn’t a documentary this is shit. Doesn’t do us must justice.

  • rosa

    This makes it sound like Atheism is a separate religion. Its just a name for a people who choose not to have a religion. Completely different thing.

  • Keanon

    I tried to watch this, but then I realized I could just turn on Faux News.

  • Bob

    Jeeze guys, don’t fight. I don’t care if the big bad Christians are mean. Show your moral fiber and deal with it in a wise way, not a petty way in a comment section. Personally, I’m an agnostic, so I don’t consider myself a part of this group, but I deal with judgement all the time too. Also, keep in mind atheism takes a lot of faith- pretty much as much faith as it does to say that you believe in a god. So hop off your high horses, and try to act “generally more intelligent, generally more educated”.in the face of adversity.

  • DoubleD

    I’m getting sick of everyone claiming they know what is and what is not. Religious people are 100% sure there’s god, and now I’m reading this comments and some atheists claiming there’s no god and they’re also certain about it. Untill either side can prove there is or is not, the question is open if you like it or not. In time when we’re leaning toward string theory or thinking about posibility that we’re just a simulation (since particle is somewhere only when it’s observed like pixel on computer screen for example) we have bunch of people claiming they know there’s god and bunch of others claiming they’re certain there is none, like they alredy checked all 11 dimensions and infinite number of possible multiverses. We have so much more to explore and figure out that we’re in no position to make any claim about god. I find it especially crazy and blatantly redicoulus listening to religious people talking about god like they’re drinking coffee with him every day. But If you’re brain washed, manipulated in church since your birth, like some Hitlers Youth, there’s no suprise the power of idea is so strong. And yes, I do think comparison is just fine, since it is quite clear, that christians that got overdose of bible never doubt in it, no matter how much proof you pile in front of them. How simple and beautifull must it be, to be so blatantly ignorant.

    Sorry for my bad english

  • Adam Tanswell

    stop looking for a right. people alway will hate atheist, people that want hope will do anything for it. people are scare and this is why gods & faith make a killing out of people lives . it makes them happy. you will never change this! but its funny how science can prove its wrong and we still talk about.. dumb

  • RedAfroNinja

    This was posted on my birthday!

  • Chitra

    Excellent

  • Svn

    probably this is the reason why the rest of the world is laughing at america for their stupidity

  • Bella

    Who did the poll ? . Is this person an expert on this matter? I think its a bit light on content. I don’t live in the US but I am fascinated . If that is the general representation of intolerance to atheism in America then WOW. Its not really an issue in Australia .I guess It depends on what circles you hang round ? I don’t go Shouting It out , but when asked my religious views, I tell whoever asks that I don’t believe in a god . I don’t see the point labelling myself an Atheist , I feel Its a bit redundant needing a name for not believing . Non believer.

  • Tolly

    I’m a believer, a moderately religious person. My best friend is an atheist by nature, not by
    intellectual decision. God simply doesn’t occur to him one way or the
    other. The concept is not on his radar. He feels no need to hammer
    anyone about anything. We can talk about some of the deepest issues in life, and I consider him to be one of the most spiritual
    people I know through his deep humanism. On the other hand, I have found some of the atheists in my life (though not all) to be disturbingly evangelical people. Almost every conversation somehow comes around to an attempt to convince me of the rightness of their view. I’m an intelligent person, but the attitude of some atheists seems to be, clearly, that no smart individual could possibly believe in God. I can’t tell you how often I’ve had that idea thrown at me. So while I have respect for atheist (non) belief, I really don’t agree with this doc’s contention that atheists are among the most tolerant people out there. There are just as many self-righteous, snob atheists as there are in the Christian Right.

    • http://www.facebook.com/greater.celestin Greater Celestin

      All the people who are atheists are not going to heaven. God is not going to let his son suffer and die on the cross for nothing. People rational this with their human minds & that is not how to rationalize this.

      • collardgreen

        *facepalm*

    • Alaskies

      I believe you are referring to the more militant Atheists, people like Penn Jillette come to mind immediately. And in that sense, you are absolutely right. I, as an American Atheist, try to stay away from people like that. I don’t shove my lack of religion down anybody’s throat, as I don’t expect anybody to shove their Christianity down my throat (although that has happened before). I only speak of my Atheism when the subject of religion comes up, and I don’t argue religion and it’s ridiculousness with believers, only a fool would do that. Everybody has their opinions, and unfortunately, not everybody agrees. I still believe that the vast majority of Atheists are like myself, definitely from experience, in that they don’t insult others’ religion or intelligence for believing, and they only speak about it when the subject comes up.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Battlestarcaley Harry Caley

    there are too many people in this forum who can’t even state the correct definitions of Atheism and Agnosticism. GO OUT AND READ THE FUCKING DICTIONARIES AT LEAST! BLOODY FUCK

  • Mr.JamPancake

    I live in Ireland, a Catholic country basically trapped in the middle ages. I am Atheist and I get treated differently because of it. I don’t see how we don’t have a plea to human rights just like gay people and muslim/jewish people who are constantly discriminated against. I also think that it shows the true stupidity of christians when they try to argue that I am a satanist, I don’t believe in fucking satan, in the same way that I don’t believe in god. I just want to finish with my favorite Dawkins quote “I am agnostic about god in the same way that I am agnostic about fairies.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/geoffrey.brown.543 Geoffrey Brown

    This is why I moved to Germany….weird right?

  • Alaskies

    While this poll may be somewhat accurate if you go up to random people on the street and ask them what they think about Atheists, from a much broader perspective, it’s completely full of shit. Atheists don’t get specifically treated any better or worse than Christians or Catholics. The only group of people who unfortunately get berated and shunned by Americans individually are Muslims. This is just what I’ve observed from being a 25 year old American and living through the continually expanding and ever-growing Atheism, and also living through the various terrorist attacks and the way the media purports it, and Muslims as a whole. There is way too big of a percentage of Americans who believe that Islam a political state of mind, and not a religion. It’s a quote I’ve heard many times.

    • Bon Bon

      Technically, Islam is a theocracy. That means nothing but Islam in jurisdiction, legislation, etc. etc. It is haram for any Muslim to live outside a state of Sharia (their legal state of theocracy) unless they have intent to Da’wa (spreading of Islam). Sure, there are nice Muslims and all that, but speaking of Islam of anything outside of a theocracy is like calling Christianity anything but based upon their ‘Christ’.

      Source: The 5 authenticated Hadiths through the world’s top clerics in Egypt. These are scripts that are recording of the sayings and the prophet when he was alive. The entirety of Islam’s behavior and its theocracy is based upon them. Fundamental Islam, some might say. All Muslims are to be guided by them. They have much infighting over which ‘sect’ is a direct lineage of their prophet and also much confusion from cultural influences. They all agree to hate Western culture even without showing it. Make no misunderstanding about these things.

  • Dave78

    I avoid religious people, my aunty and uncle are christians and I never talk to them, because in my mind, they are insane and child abusers (indoctrinating their kids)

  • Josh

    This was an interesting documentary. I enjoyed watching it. However, the exact film could be made coming from the exact opposite viewpoint, which makes it seem unbelievably biased and too much like a blatant propaganda piece…