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“College education is the largest scam in U.S. history!” – From NIA, Nationa Inflation Association

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  • Jordian7

     I like the points brought up, and I think there’s definitely something to be said here, but it got really preachy and that one old dude is annoying as fuck

  • Jordian7

     I like the points brought up, and I think there’s definitely something to be said here, but it got really preachy and that one old dude is annoying as fuck

  • Jordian7

     I like the points brought up, and I think there’s definitely something to be said here, but it got really preachy and that one old dude is annoying as fuck

  • Anonymous

    This is a crock.  The most specious reasoning I think I’ve ever heard.  Also outright lies.  A high school graduate makes $35,000 a year ?  And you are going to deduct that times 6 years I spend in college even after you stipulate I made a million more than he did.?  Hey genius, it doesn’t matter how long I spend in college if I made  a million than he did.  Its not an expense.  And what about the facts you see at 32:23 ? Yeah the one that shows in-state public university costs at a mere $7020 a year ? Your graphics not mine. Only private college costs approach the crap you’re floating out there.  I love that thing about if everybody has a degree then mine is worthless.  100% of all doctors have a degree.  100% of all engineers have a degree.  Better call them up and tell them about their worthless degrees.  Its not how many have a degree, its the field of your degree.  What a crock.

    • Anonymous

       “Hey genius, it doesn’t matter how long I spend in college if I made  a million than he did.  Its not an expense.”

      ????

      • Anonymous

         Their premise is that if I make a million more than a high school graduate I have to deduct lost income for the years spent in college as a cost of the degree.  That cost is calculated  as 6yrs times the amount the high school graduate made while I was in college. First, another persons income is in no way a cost to me.  It doesn’t matter how much he makes, because the given is I will still make a million more than he.  What is being done essentially by their lack of reasoning is that I would have to make a million plus 6yrs times the HS graduates income.  Yet if I make a million more than he I’ve already covered what he earned during that six yrs.  By their figuring I’ll have to cover it and apply it as a cost to my education.  Can’t have it both ways.  Either they know this and are being specious or their reasoning is greatly flawed.

        • lenko

           Their point is that while you are studying, your effective gross additional income is reduced when used in comparison to a non-graduate. Therefore you are not making an additional 1million gross, than a non graduate.

          And thats IF you find a job in your field after graduating.

          • Anonymous

            I understand your point and thanks for your reply. Let me try an analogy.  You and I work at the same job.  You make $125/wk and I make $1000/mo.  You say that’s not fair.  I say you get paid by the week but I get paid only after the month is up.  There fore You must subtract your income from mine because what you make is an expense to me.  So $1000 minus 4 weeks at $125 = $500. See we get paid the same.

            That is if we can get a job after graduating.

          • Bookman

            The video is saying that if you are in college for six years then you cannot be earning 35000 p/y during that time. So you must deduct this lost earning from your overall lifetime salary. Therefore you do not earn 1 million more but 1 million minus the lost income.

          • Anonymous

             I believe the site is having problems. On my screen comments and replies are getting out of order.  Think of it this way.  My employer is willing to pay me a million more (more more more remember -more) in my lifetime. It doesn’t matter when he pays it to me.  It is only important that I make a million more.  I can sit in school for 20 years and it doesn’t matter because he is going to pay me a million more. If you make a million he’s going to pay me a 2 million. Now I make a million more than you. Now I have two million.  Should I give a million back  as expenses. Then if I do, yes, then I don’t have but a million.  But I have two million because he paid me a million more than you.,

          • VnGo

             I believe when they said a million more they did not account for 6 years of unpaid education. It doesn’t matter anyways, trades and hands on skills are definitely where young people should be focused towards.

            For people who don’t get the million more its like year one HSG +35,000, CG -27,000 ; Year 2 HSG +70,000, CG -54,000 ; year 3 etc. Year 6 HSG + 210,000, CG -162,000; year 10 HSG +350,000, CG(4 years at $100,000 income -living expenses etc) break even; year 20 HSG +800,000(raise), CG 1.2 million(raise)

          • Lakhotason

            VnGo – I believe they specifically stipulated MORE. IN fact every time this is mentioned they use the word MORE. Now if they  didn’t mean more they should have stipulated that. 
            I was just pointing to the fact these people are being dishonest in not only this but in about every statistic they use especially the statistic  of college costs. Go to 32:23 and look at the graphic.  I cannot figure how they came up with the cost they are using.
            Thanks for your reply.

          • Johnny

            Just to note: of course you should be able to make more money with a degree as it was the corporations that funded the colleges in the first place to teach people the things they wanted them to know to be able to work.

            Those who view education simply as a pay check may not have a problem with that, but others like myself who prefer to learn for the sake of learning and who realize that often times what they want you to learn isn’t the complete and honest truth do have a problem with it.

            Wasting all that time and actually paying to be programmed with information that in may areas is far from being certified truth(mainly in science and history, both of which are “spun” endlessly for political agendas) is not productive to me.

            You can make a million more dollars than me if you want, but when the system folds and that million more dollars becomes worthless paper or numbers and we’re back to being on equal footing I will at least know I didn’t waste my time on that worthless crap as you have.

            I did not learn about photovoltaics, electrostatics, consumer-gas technology or anything like that from a college, but I guarantee that knowledge will be far more useful than a degree from any college if and when the system comes undone(except maybe a survivalist college, lol).

            I may be crazy, but I’m debt-free and mostly happy crazy, and prepared for almost anything.

          • Anonymous

             Johnny – I’m not making a judgement here. I agree with you. The point I’m making is that their math and reasoning is garbage.

          • Anonymous

             Johnny – I’m not making a judgement here. I agree with you. The point I’m making is that their math and reasoning is garbage.

          • Johnny

            Fair enough, I agree with that.

            Any math on this type of thing is going to be troublesome, how do you take into account people who transfer college tuition debts to say their credit cards?(as too many people I know have)

            Which they end up just racking up their debts even further as they keep spending more money incurring new debts rather than paying off existing ones and such.

            Or those people who say I have a degree in whatever and can now make 100k+ a year, so even though I don’t have the money yet I’m gonna go out and get a fancy car or a mortgage for a house and put myself into a debt that I will likely never get paid off as I keep adding to it…

            You may make a million more dollars but that doesn’t help if you spend 2 million more at the same time…lol.

            Balancing budgets and proper spending habits and such should be a mandatory course for all students(in HS and college to refresh their memory..), that would solve a lot of problems itself I’m sure.

          • Johnny

            Fair enough, I agree with that.

            Any math on this type of thing is going to be troublesome, how do you take into account people who transfer college tuition debts to say their credit cards?(as too many people I know have)

            Which they end up just racking up their debts even further as they keep spending more money incurring new debts rather than paying off existing ones and such.

            Or those people who say I have a degree in whatever and can now make 100k+ a year, so even though I don’t have the money yet I’m gonna go out and get a fancy car or a mortgage for a house and put myself into a debt that I will likely never get paid off as I keep adding to it…

            You may make a million more dollars but that doesn’t help if you spend 2 million more at the same time…lol.

            Balancing budgets and proper spending habits and such should be a mandatory course for all students(in HS and college to refresh their memory..), that would solve a lot of problems itself I’m sure.

          • Anonymous

             You are right on the money(pun intended now everybody groan). The reality is exactly what you say.

          • Anonymous

             You are right on the money(pun intended now everybody groan). The reality is exactly what you say.

          • Andy Hunt

            Johnny-
            Are you in a crazy right wing cult? Cause this message makes me feel like it. You know that not everything is a conspiracy right?

          • Andy Hunt

            Johnny-
            Are you in a crazy right wing cult? Cause this message makes me feel like it. You know that not everything is a conspiracy right?

          • Dan

            @e6842847d7903fef79486251a3bb9b6e:disqus

            I did learn about photovoltaics, electrostatics, consumer-gas technology
            and lots of other neato ideas while completing  my
            undergrad/masters degrees in electrical engineering.  I highly doubt
            6 years of college education is as worthless as you make it seem.  This
            is not my experience at least.

          • Fun But Mental

            You failed math huh? The video cleary stated how you got in the debt. You’re pretty stupid to make such a shit analogy. A month is typically 4 weeks. 4wx$125=$500mo $1000mo-$500mo=$500 or just go $500mo-$1000mo=-$500 ohh god that’s 500 more bucks a month. Also getting a job at 14 and keeping one for over 15 years is very easy. So that’s 4 years before college PLUS 4 years why dumbasses were in college. Say I made 5.50 an hr  the whole time, part time first 4, full last 4. 5.50×20=110×4=440×12=5280×4=21120 5.50×40=220×4=880×12=10560×4=42240+21120=63360 So that’s $63,360 income. 7020×4=28080 So there’s $28,080 in tuition. This is without inflation or cost of books and housing. Let’s add 3% per year interest for 4 years. That’s a damn good car loan btw. I=Prt I=(28080)(.003)(4)=336.96 So thats only a lil over 300 bucks in interest (hells yea) So college with no job just cost you IN STATE with NO inflation $28,416.96. So I have still 63360-28416.96=34943.04 more than you. Let’s say we are 24 going 40 years at the same rate how much more money will you make if you make 50% more than me. 5.50x.5=2.75+5.50=7.75 So your income is $7.50. 7.50×40=300×52=15600×40=624000 So in 40 years you make $624,000 let’s look at me. 5.50×40=220×52=11440×40=457600 So I make $457,600 in 40 years plus what I’m up on you so I have 457600+34943.04=492543.04 what I already had on you plus my 40 yrs income. So 624000-492543.04=131456.96 So in 40 years you make $131,456.96 more than me while you made 50% more than me the whole time. So I’d have to work an extra 12 years to get where you got. So I’d be 74 before I could kick back while you’d be chilling since 62. Looks good on paper I have to admit. I did scew my numbers and yes a degree may give you more money in a lifetime but maybe 4-5 additional years worth of work I’d say. But the video even did show that YES a college degree would still grant you about a half a million more in a lifetime. Question though is then would you be working the same position as the non grad who went into the workforce and learned hands on while you just got a piece of paper? Then you’d actually be making less than a non college grad.

          • tyeacher

            Too bad that “piece of paper” is the thing that employers who will pay you that 100k are looking for! Since I didn’t want to work at McDonald’s, which I could’ve, for the rest of my life, I went back to school, completed my degree and got a job I love, working with people I love to serve for more money than I ever dreamed of. All because I went an “just got a pieve of paper”. I’m not saying that I’m special or anything, it’s just he goal I set out to do in my life, and I did it. Hell the world needs plumbers, electricians, and other non-college educated people too! And from what the plumber charged me the last time he was here, he makin good money too!

          • Anonymous

            I understand your point and thanks for your reply. Let me try an analogy.  You and I work at the same job.  You make $125/wk and I make $1000/mo.  You say that’s not fair.  I say you get paid by the week but I get paid only after the month is up.  There fore You must subtract your income from mine because what you make is an expense to me.  So $1000 minus 4 weeks at $125 = $500. See we get paid the same.

            That is if we can get a job after graduating.

    • Anonymous

       “Hey genius, it doesn’t matter how long I spend in college if I made  a million than he did.  Its not an expense.”

      ????

    • Bookman

      Umm, yes the 35,000 is an expense. You are earning 35,000 (assuming the figure from above) less during the six years in college as the alternative of taking the 35,000 job was foregone. Simple maths, seems the video is right!

      • Anonymous

        See reply to Lenko.  Also do not forget they stipulated that I made a million more in my lifetime.  If I made a million  more than he did that has to include his $35000/yr while I was in school. The key word is more.

    • Ruhrow

      Uhmmm I’m an engineer without a degree. Learn some facts you dumbshit. Historically a College was to philosophize. Now it’s to learn a discipline? How did a Dr become a Dr before College’s taught them? How did lawyers become lawyers before the College taught them? Who came up the basis for making certain things taught to earn a degree in a certain field? For someone with knowledge and that looks for facts I have seen basically zero. Sorry for being a skeptic but seems pretty scammy to me, and our a dumbass.

      • Guest

        I don’t have time for rude boorish people.

  • Oembillk

    this feels a little fox newsy (or maybe AM talk radioy)

    • Sheildwolf_12

      What most of you people do not seem to get that the government is the reason that College is gouging you all with sky high coasts and like anything else when government get its greasy hands in anything it ruins it. But just keep on believing that the government is there for in every single way. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. But i don’t think this is even good intentions!!!

    • Sheildwolf_12

      What most of you people do not seem to get that the government is the reason that College is gouging you all with sky high coasts and like anything else when government get its greasy hands in anything it ruins it. But just keep on believing that the government is there for in every single way. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. But i don’t think this is even good intentions!!!

  • Bbn

     This documentary is ridiculous and highly biased. My parents, who only have high school degrees, are lucky to make a little more than 30k a year. I suppose my simple degree in education that I will get in year will be worthless when I start making around 45k in my area my first year teaching (and that is just with a BS). Today you have to have a four year degree to work as a manager of Toys R Us, so encouraging people to not go to college is just destroying the education and possibilities of young Americans. Also, I do agree that this seems very fox newsy. 

    • Out4blud

      I do believe alot of what is being said pertains to the cost. I agree some jobs require a degree, however trade schools aren’t getting the reputation they should have. A less expensive alternative with high job rates. Another view is to possibly work at ToyrUs as a cashier and let them pay for your school if they think you are worthy of being a manager. After all, who wants a $30,000 bill without a job? 

    • MrZ

      I think youmiss a big point being made. Your parents are probably of a generation where many fewer people had a college degree. Now that 70% or more will have degrees, where is the competitive advantage. Your parent are not entering the job market. Someone your age entering the job market when you entered colleged will be making income minus the debt. 45k a year is ok, but not when you have 200k in debt as soon as you get the degree. Whos better off, someone earning 20k a year without any debt or someone earning 45k with 200k debt?

      • Andy Hunt

        First of all, no reasonable person will have 200k in debt. You’re stupid if you do. Like actually dumb. (I know that last sentence isn’t grammatically correct). Secondly, just people most people will have college degrees doesn’t mean that having one isn’t valuable. In fact, it’s more valuable now.  With your theory, why would you go to school at all and get a high school degree? Why go to school at all? In general, you need a college degree to get a good job, and that’s just the way it is.

        PS- It’s better to have 200k in debt and make 45k a year. Do the math.

      • Andy Hunt

        First of all, no reasonable person will have 200k in debt. You’re stupid if you do. Like actually dumb. (I know that last sentence isn’t grammatically correct). Secondly, just people most people will have college degrees doesn’t mean that having one isn’t valuable. In fact, it’s more valuable now.  With your theory, why would you go to school at all and get a high school degree? Why go to school at all? In general, you need a college degree to get a good job, and that’s just the way it is.

        PS- It’s better to have 200k in debt and make 45k a year. Do the math.

    • MrZ

      I think youmiss a big point being made. Your parents are probably of a generation where many fewer people had a college degree. Now that 70% or more will have degrees, where is the competitive advantage. Your parent are not entering the job market. Someone your age entering the job market when you entered colleged will be making income minus the debt. 45k a year is ok, but not when you have 200k in debt as soon as you get the degree. Whos better off, someone earning 20k a year without any debt or someone earning 45k with 200k debt?

  • Bbn

     This documentary is ridiculous and highly biased. My parents, who only have high school degrees, are lucky to make a little more than 30k a year. I suppose my simple degree in education that I will get in year will be worthless when I start making around 45k in my area my first year teaching (and that is just with a BS). Today you have to have a four year degree to work as a manager of Toys R Us, so encouraging people to not go to college is just destroying the education and possibilities of young Americans. Also, I do agree that this seems very fox newsy. 

  • skepticalMN

     seems like they started with their viewpoint (hardcore libertarianism) and produced a documentary using information which they had pre approved. this isn’t so much a documentary as it is a propaganda piece that reinforces their position and drives people to their website. the entire thing can be boiled down to “BUY GOLD AND SILVER”. they as much as say so a number of times. some ideas brought up here were worth further investigation, but it got to be a little much…  

  • skepticalMN

     seems like they started with their viewpoint (hardcore libertarianism) and produced a documentary using information which they had pre approved. this isn’t so much a documentary as it is a propaganda piece that reinforces their position and drives people to their website. the entire thing can be boiled down to “BUY GOLD AND SILVER”. they as much as say so a number of times. some ideas brought up here were worth further investigation, but it got to be a little much…  

  • skepticalMN

     seems like they started with their viewpoint (hardcore libertarianism) and produced a documentary using information which they had pre approved. this isn’t so much a documentary as it is a propaganda piece that reinforces their position and drives people to their website. the entire thing can be boiled down to “BUY GOLD AND SILVER”. they as much as say so a number of times. some ideas brought up here were worth further investigation, but it got to be a little much…  

  • skepticalMN

     seems like they started with their viewpoint (hardcore libertarianism) and produced a documentary using information which they had pre approved. this isn’t so much a documentary as it is a propaganda piece that reinforces their position and drives people to their website. the entire thing can be boiled down to “BUY GOLD AND SILVER”. they as much as say so a number of times. some ideas brought up here were worth further investigation, but it got to be a little much…  

  • skepticalMN

     seems like they started with their viewpoint (hardcore libertarianism) and produced a documentary using information which they had pre approved. this isn’t so much a documentary as it is a propaganda piece that reinforces their position and drives people to their website. the entire thing can be boiled down to “BUY GOLD AND SILVER”. they as much as say so a number of times. some ideas brought up here were worth further investigation, but it got to be a little much…  

  • http://www.facebook.com/Carlos.Javier.Jr Carlos J Salgado Jr.

     yeah, whatever, but there is something more important than income, and that little thing is knowledge…

    • Rhythmislife13

      And you don’t need college to gain knowledge, you need a thirst for knowledge

      • Goo

        Not true.

        • Really?

          That’s why I’ve made MIT grads feel stupid? I have a HS degree no college and can school anyone on how to operate million dollar pieces of equipment. Also how to find problems and fix it. It’s also something COLLEGE WON’T teach you. I wanted to learn. Those who don’t in my field are stuck cleaning toilets and never make it. You probably think second hand smoke is the number 1 cause of lung cancer in nonsmokers too. Ahhh how I love brainwashing.

          • smokin

            What IS the # cause of lung cancer in non-smokers, then…?? Just wondering….

      • pickdster

        Thumbs up! If I could, I would just read about stuff all day, but I gotta get that special little piece of paper that employers look at and say, “Now we can pay you”, dammit!
        The system kinda sucks, but unless you march and boycott and other stuff, it’s the one we’re stuck with, eh?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000867143333 Canis Caeleste

    I enjoy Celente..he’s delightful..hehe    You know, it’s amazing how these things can be created but not destroyed…Money is nothing but numbers in a computer. It’s not a thing, it’s not real, it has no ontology. One hit of the delete button and everything is GONE.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000867143333 Canis Caeleste

    I enjoy Celente..he’s delightful..hehe    You know, it’s amazing how these things can be created but not destroyed…Money is nothing but numbers in a computer. It’s not a thing, it’s not real, it has no ontology. One hit of the delete button and everything is GONE.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000867143333 Canis Caeleste

    I enjoy Celente..he’s delightful..hehe    You know, it’s amazing how these things can be created but not destroyed…Money is nothing but numbers in a computer. It’s not a thing, it’s not real, it has no ontology. One hit of the delete button and everything is GONE.

  • Jimminycrickets

     i love the way the main picture is the library in trinity college dublin. Apart from this amusing prelude it is an appallingly trivial documentary aimed and uneducated americans trivial documentary aimed and uneducated americans

  • Jimminycrickets

     i love the way the main picture is the library in trinity college dublin. Apart from this amusing prelude it is an appallingly trivial documentary aimed and uneducated americans trivial documentary aimed and uneducated americans

  • Steven Moller

    This is a thinly veiled commercial for the gold and silver commodities trading industry. The figures they give are highly exaggerated. The whole film serves as a scare tactic to discourage people from working toward a higher education. As an obvious propaganda tactic for the gold/silver industry, ultimately, the film suggests in a less than neutral tone that everyone should drop out of college, work for McDonald’s and invest whatever little money they earn into gold or silver. Got to love the unnecessarily long shpiel given by the guy at the end, whom I suppose is the biased voice guiding you through the entire commercial, err, I mean documentary (??). The appealing style it has while watching and eerie feeling of being somewhat brainwashed afterwards might have something to do with it being funded by special interests.

  • Anonymous

    a good degree at a good college is still likely to improve your life opportunities a great deal. but the benefits of a mediocre degree at a mediocre college are rapidly sinking beneath the costs

  • Bookman

    This is NOT a documentary and should be removed. BEWARE, this video is an ADVERTISEMENT.  It builds up to its call to action with a lot of right wing propaganda specifically designed to appeal to the sensibilities of Americans BUT the fact is, it’s advertising a product. Don’t bother.

    • joe

      Haha, I just watched the whole fucking thing, thinking it was becoming more of a comercial as it went on. By the end, I knew I had been duped. I’m glad it wasn’t just paranoid thinking.

  • Bookman

    This is NOT a documentary and should be removed. BEWARE, this video is an ADVERTISEMENT.  It builds up to its call to action with a lot of right wing propaganda specifically designed to appeal to the sensibilities of Americans BUT the fact is, it’s advertising a product. Don’t bother.

  • Nathaniel Shipley

    I find you have to take certain facts and trends they purpose in this video with a grain of salt

  • Anonymous

     I think everyone should watch this presentation before going to college… Actually, I’m glad that more people didn’t as there are that many less people in my field of IT with security and networking now. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2i7NraNYe8&feature=related (just get through the first part as basically the first half of the first video is an introduction, it gets good at the second part)

    But yeah it basically goes over which degrees are worthless.

  • Murdockrocks

    Research your loan specifics… bit sensationalized. Agree that this is NOT a documentary.

  • Murdockrocks

    Research your loan specifics… bit sensationalized. Agree that this is NOT a documentary.

  • Murdockrocks

    Research your loan specifics… bit sensationalized. Agree that this is NOT a documentary.

  • Guest

    That it’s produced by the “National Inflation Association” is all the information that is needed to demonstrate the value of this video, see:

    http://www.guerillastocktrading.com/commodities/the-national-inflation-association

  • Lakhotason

    My anti-virus alerted me that virus Exploit:win 32 pdf.PE is lurking somewhere around this site. 

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  • Brevan

    4/10
    – Footage variety was low, but considering the topic is “higher education is fraudulent,” this is to be expected.  They generally show animations of charts and figures, with some interview or miscellaneous scenes.
    – Most figures and statistics reported in the film were quoted or sourced to the film producer, so bias should be assumed, but at least is not being hidden.
    – Makes many claims that seem hard to believe, like, “Commodity industries are the most important for economies” (Despite many countries economies being driven by addding value to commodities, i.e. “I bought your wood, made it a house, and sold it back to you for more”), “Lawyers in government are trying to make more jobs for their lawyer friends” (Seems like just a jab at Obama being a lawyer), “Goldman Sachs has never produced wealth for America” (While this might be technically true by some interpretation, it is hard to conceive that the faciliatation of investment does not aid economic growth — even if only growth of others).
    – This film discusses a few (perhaps commonly known) truths about the poorer qualities of Higher Education, but then deviates into political disucussions and investment advice.  The fact that the investment advice (“buy precious metals”), and politcal views are the same as advocated by News Corporation certainly could be a poorly hidden use of propaganda.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_Corporationhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_techniques
    – To the credit of the film, and from my own experience, I personally know of cases where: (1) College students have used student loands for more than just education — note thought that this is intended, since it is understood that working while schooling is damn hard and possibly counter productive (study rather than waiting tables); (2) Colleges not emphasizing learning (stereotypical “degree mill” behavior); (3) College graduates not working in the fields of their degree due to shortage of work or because their degree was not exceptional (Just one example is a local A&B Sound (audio system retailer) that employed three of my friends (Physicist, 2 CompSci, all with BSc). It was these examples and several more than enticed me to watch the film, since I knew a lot could have been said on this topic. It is unfortunate that not a lot on this topic was discussed thoroughly.

    • Tobias

      A small remark on your last comment:
      I find it hard to believe that taking a college degree in CompSci doesn´t allow you to get a decent job. Even with the economic crisis and lack of jobs, those areas are always explorable. Afterall CompSci is the future of technology along with many engineering fields according to varias reports on future market demands.

      I do partly agree with the movie shown above – that is: encouraging student to go to college and take huge loans with the promise of bright futures is troublesome and misleading youth into an accumulated debt. Could we do without such a debt? Can you step up your carrier without a diploma and even shortening the process, by ambitiously investing yourself into work. Yes and yes.

      However I think some of their statements sounds so singlesided and manipulative – especially the annoying guy, Gerald Gelente, from trendsresearch who ties political, social and financial agendas together into an ongoing statement of how corrupt and disfunctional society is. Usually after a statement like that you would expect a counterstatement, which extracts the essence of the message given, as college beeing a scam.

      I think this documentary cannot be discarded, even with all the flaws it posseses. I think it´s wrong to say: “STAY AWAY, it´s an ADVERT”. Just because some of it seems designed even with a hidden message to buy metal and apply to NIA newsmedia source, it would, in my opinion, be naive to ignore such information all together.

      I agree with you Brevan, that such information should be discussed thoroughly, perhaps with the backing of different sources to put it more into perspective.

    • Tobias

      A small remark on your last comment:
      I find it hard to believe that taking a college degree in CompSci doesn´t allow you to get a decent job. Even with the economic crisis and lack of jobs, those areas are always explorable. Afterall CompSci is the future of technology along with many engineering fields according to varias reports on future market demands.

      I do partly agree with the movie shown above – that is: encouraging student to go to college and take huge loans with the promise of bright futures is troublesome and misleading youth into an accumulated debt. Could we do without such a debt? Can you step up your carrier without a diploma and even shortening the process, by ambitiously investing yourself into work. Yes and yes.

      However I think some of their statements sounds so singlesided and manipulative – especially the annoying guy, Gerald Gelente, from trendsresearch who ties political, social and financial agendas together into an ongoing statement of how corrupt and disfunctional society is. Usually after a statement like that you would expect a counterstatement, which extracts the essence of the message given, as college beeing a scam.

      I think this documentary cannot be discarded, even with all the flaws it posseses. I think it´s wrong to say: “STAY AWAY, it´s an ADVERT”. Just because some of it seems designed even with a hidden message to buy metal and apply to NIA newsmedia source, it would, in my opinion, be naive to ignore such information all together.

      I agree with you Brevan, that such information should be discussed thoroughly, perhaps with the backing of different sources to put it more into perspective.

  • Anonymous

    I read some of the other comments one of the comments by “Bbn” said “you have to have a four year degree to work as a manager of Toys R Us, so encouraging people to not go to college is just destroying the education and possibilities of young american.” First, I am almost positive that you don’t need a four year degree to work as a manager of Toys R Us, were did he even come up with that. I’m fairly sure that a manager of a Toys R Us, was probably an employee who simply advanced up the corporate ramp and even if you make it to manager that’s probably about as far as you’re going to reach. Also, if you used student loans to get that four year degree to manage a Toys R Us, your probably gonna be at least $150,000 in debt. If you were this manager at Toys R Us you would probably make roughly 40k a year. If you take out all the other expenses (including debt on other purchases) you need out of that 40k a year you’ll probably be left with roughly around 15k. Obviously you won’t give all of that 15k to the student loans each year so with that debt you’ll also gain interest. So that debt from those student loans would result in you accumulating a debt that would probably take at least 10 years to pay off (if you’re lucky). The government might give the manager of the Toys R Us a break if she cannot make the payments on there student loans and lower her payments or ignore them all together resulting in the tax payers paying for the schooling of this manager of a Toys R Us. I don’t know what “Bbn” thinks about the american tax payers paying for the schooling of a job that most people would consider to be mediocre, but I and many others would be and are angry about it. In the second part of what “Bbn” said was “so encouraging people to not go to college is just destroying the education and possibilities of young american.” We won’t have possibilities if the dollar collapse which it will, people who truly wish to educate themselves can do so online or in books. Any information given to you by a professor is more then likely somewhere online or is written in a book. College is a wasteful thing that encourages people spend huge amounts of money to receive a piece of paper that says they know what there talking about. If they want to know what they’re talking about all they have to do is research, the internet and books contain all the information you would ever need on the subjects that some college graduates (such as Bbn) believe can be found only in colleges. The only thing unique about college is that you get to discuss the things you’re studying with an expert. It is great to discuss things you’re trying to understand with someone who already has done there research, but discussing things and talking to someone shouldn’t cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. True education is free.

  • Anonymous

    I read some of the other comments one of the comments by “Bbn” said “you have to have a four year degree to work as a manager of Toys R Us, so encouraging people to not go to college is just destroying the education and possibilities of young american.” First, I am almost positive that you don’t need a four year degree to work as a manager of Toys R Us, were did he even come up with that. I’m fairly sure that a manager of a Toys R Us, was probably an employee who simply advanced up the corporate ramp and even if you make it to manager that’s probably about as far as you’re going to reach. Also, if you used student loans to get that four year degree to manage a Toys R Us, your probably gonna be at least $150,000 in debt. If you were this manager at Toys R Us you would probably make roughly 40k a year. If you take out all the other expenses (including debt on other purchases) you need out of that 40k a year you’ll probably be left with roughly around 15k. Obviously you won’t give all of that 15k to the student loans each year so with that debt you’ll also gain interest. So that debt from those student loans would result in you accumulating a debt that would probably take at least 10 years to pay off (if you’re lucky). The government might give the manager of the Toys R Us a break if she cannot make the payments on there student loans and lower her payments or ignore them all together resulting in the tax payers paying for the schooling of this manager of a Toys R Us. I don’t know what “Bbn” thinks about the american tax payers paying for the schooling of a job that most people would consider to be mediocre, but I and many others would be and are angry about it. In the second part of what “Bbn” said was “so encouraging people to not go to college is just destroying the education and possibilities of young american.” We won’t have possibilities if the dollar collapse which it will, people who truly wish to educate themselves can do so online or in books. Any information given to you by a professor is more then likely somewhere online or is written in a book. College is a wasteful thing that encourages people spend huge amounts of money to receive a piece of paper that says they know what there talking about. If they want to know what they’re talking about all they have to do is research, the internet and books contain all the information you would ever need on the subjects that some college graduates (such as Bbn) believe can be found only in colleges. The only thing unique about college is that you get to discuss the things you’re studying with an expert. It is great to discuss things you’re trying to understand with someone who already has done there research, but discussing things and talking to someone shouldn’t cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. True education is free.

  • Samy St Clair

    What a load of garbage. Another example of right wing/faux libertarian fear mongering for financial gain. There has a heavy handed bias toward deregulation and for privatization. Skip to the end of the documercial and you’ll see what this is all about. Selling gold and silver. A lot of the other comments are correct, there is definitely some truth to be found here. But it comes in the form of using the truth to tell lies. I especially agree that this should be taken down. It’s nothing more than propaganda funded by a private company for private gain. Save yourself the time on this one. 

  • Maja

    Source of information of this video is only 1 website. And they announce it as the ultimate truth. But – with their idea of online learning – will the online teachers be farmers? Will farmers teach law and physics and chemistry and other things or will the teachers be people with education and “paper”…

  • Maja

    Source of information of this video is only 1 website. And they announce it as the ultimate truth. But – with their idea of online learning – will the online teachers be farmers? Will farmers teach law and physics and chemistry and other things or will the teachers be people with education and “paper”…

  • David Emanuel

    for MrZ:

    regarding, “Now that 70% or more will have degrees”:

    actually, as of 2009, fewer than 50% have degrees:

    Associate’s and/or Bachelor’s degree     38.54%
    Master’s degree                                     7.62%
    Doctorate or professional degree              2.94%

    culled from:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Educational_attainment_in_the_United_States#General_attainment_of_degrees.2Fdiplomas

    the odds this percentage will increase–given the eviscerated, collapsing, smoke-and-mirrors nature of our plutocratic, capitalist, imperial/parasitic economy–are slim to none.

  • Fero77ke

    I am happy i am not from “the best country US” but i am from post communist country :p there is nothing best on america, and i am sure of it :) more and more by time :p and i am sorry for brainwashed people in america :)

  • Fero77ke

    I am happy i am not from “the best country US” but i am from post communist country :p there is nothing best on america, and i am sure of it :) more and more by time :p and i am sorry for brainwashed people in america :)

  • Fero77ke

    I am happy i am not from “the best country US” but i am from post communist country :p there is nothing best on america, and i am sure of it :) more and more by time :p and i am sorry for brainwashed people in america :)

  • Tinymonkey

    This documentary is a flaw!  I didn’t see any “average” American.  BTW, I’m an average American.     

  • Meme_queen

    I have a double BA in finance and psychology, a MS in psychology, a PhD in psychology, and was 1 year into my MBA when i gave up school for good. I have been seeking a position in research since i got my PhD in 2005. I paid for school as I went working full-time, year-round in finance, and my employer at the time paid for my MBA studies. I lost my finance job in 2007. Now I work as a pro Dominatrix for cash, and there are many weeks when I make $0, my rent is often late, and I’m broke, but happy. I feel I can say education in this country is worth shit. I also can say this documentary is biased and not that well informed. The best thing to do would have all education be by the state (such as it is most of Europe, colleges are run like high schools) and I do believe all taxpayers should pay in. However, no one can argue all college has become for-profit and worthless, and I hope this opens people’s eyes.

  • Meme_queen

    I have a double BA in finance and psychology, a MS in psychology, a PhD in psychology, and was 1 year into my MBA when i gave up school for good. I have been seeking a position in research since i got my PhD in 2005. I paid for school as I went working full-time, year-round in finance, and my employer at the time paid for my MBA studies. I lost my finance job in 2007. Now I work as a pro Dominatrix for cash, and there are many weeks when I make $0, my rent is often late, and I’m broke, but happy. I feel I can say education in this country is worth shit. I also can say this documentary is biased and not that well informed. The best thing to do would have all education be by the state (such as it is most of Europe, colleges are run like high schools) and I do believe all taxpayers should pay in. However, no one can argue all college has become for-profit and worthless, and I hope this opens people’s eyes.

  • Elton

    good thing i go to university of houston.. my tuition at most yearly is like 9k GO COOGS! 

  • Fucjyoufuckyou

    this guy has been caught before selling people on videos, then sending them “recommendations” for securities a.k.a. pump n’ dump

  • SamSalsa

    Im 17 and dropped outta school, im not dumb or anything, i just found the whole system pointless, i was learning shit that i thought wasnt necessary, so i left. I went to a private learning institute that understood students and how fucked the school system is. I got my qualifications there and also learnt financial management, customer service, retail, how to make a resume that employers cant turn down, how to treat people in the work force, as well as maths and english etc. I got both my qualifications in under 1 year where as in school it takes 1 year each to achieve. Im not trying to start any arguments or shit like that, just sayin the world is run by a system, and the system is to keep us simple minded. Our minds are extradornary things, that are limitless to learning. I honestly wish i was in some tribe in africa living my life trying to survive rather than living the system trying to get paid.

    • Anita Nunez

      I agree with what you’re saying, and totally understand that you do not dig the system which you were born into. I don’t dig it either. That’s totally respectable, and I deeply commend you for thinking outside the box. If more people did what you did, a little introspection, extrospection, and little thinking about the things they are told, instead of taking them for granted, then the whole world would be better.

      But consider that a tribal man in Africa, just like you were, was born into a system that he may or may not want to be in. You know what I’m saying? Like, maybe he wants to go to America and go to college!

      It’s all so subjective. Both systems are repressive and make you conform and require you to be a certain person, which your soul may or may not be.

      Like, what if a tribal African would LOVE LOVE LOVE more than anything in the world, to play a game on a computer, to take photograph or write books or learn about the Greek renaissance? But no, his dad always told him, “learn how to hunt, build up your muscles, know which trees hold the most water, know how to track lions,” etc. But he doesn’t want to be a macho man, a survivor man. Maybe his heart is telling him that he wants to study the poetry of e.e. cummings or the literature of Bernal.

      So while you sit here and see all of the cons of industrialization, a person in Africa probably also sees cons to tribal living.

      But don’t get me wrong, I’d love to experience living out of pure self reliance, at least for a little while, living a like a bushman.

      I’m just saying, we don’t have it all bad and they don’t have it all good. We have it good and bad and they have it good and bad. You can’t villainize an entire way of life and idealize another.

      I guess what I’m saying is, the human experience is that which you have stated. People are born into situations. And they can’t decide what situation they are born into. Like Gandalf said, we can’t decide which cards are dealt to us. The only thing we can decide is “what to do with the time that is given to us.”

      So I commend you for not only THINKING outside the box, but ACTING outside the box. And now you have the responsibility (because you now know, and you can’t un-know) to try to build up a world in which people can THINK for themselves and CHOOSE for themselves the kind of live they want to lead. So don’t go around telling people, “school sucks.” Tell them, “school MAY suck, so watch out, and think for yourself, and form your own opinion, independent of bias or pressure from others.”

      I send you my love, and best of luck in all your endeavors.

      • Mark Allemang

        Anita…that response was wonderfully thoughtful !   We need more people in the world like you. :-)   I’m a teacher in a Canadian college and have been reading responses regarding the “college conspiracy” video.   People just don’t want to think for themselves and take responsibility.

      • Norkisss

        How would a bushman in Africa even KNOW about ee cummings or the Greek renaissance…? Just sayin…

    • Hllena

      Im 17 and dropped outta school, im not dumb or anything, i just found the whole system pointless I stopped reading after that. How at 17 you can be grown up enough to “find” anything pointless…
      if you drop out of college, I understand…but in your teen years you are nobody and you are usually guided by your sexual desires more than you are by anything else – have you still not understood this?

      • Humbucker420

        Hllena…it seems you are the one who does not understand this. For you to assume SamSalsa’s life decisions were guided by the same pattern most 17 year old’s use cannot support anything you say unless you’ve been his/her personal shrink for years and have a degree in psychology. When you assume, you make an ASS of U/ME. Your ill-thought opinionated statements show you do NOT understand his/her life decisions, but also that you believe in this systematic way of life more than you even know….look in a mirror and drop your opinions upon yourself before you start laying into someone’s life choices that you basically have no knowledge or insight into. Just because you have opinion does NOT give you a right to voice it, especially when it comes out the way it did. Just goes to show how much you lack in your understanding of humans and their decisions they make.

        • TYLER STURGESS

          YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND ME! IM SPECIALZEaas!

  • http://www.facebook.com/louiecupcakes Edgar Wharton

    The first problem that I have come to realize with this documentary is his idea that it has all come down to regurgitation. While many schools and students do work in this manner of rote-memorization, one can hardly blame an educational institution as a whole for regurgitation of information–many students do not even want to be in the classes that, for the majority, their parents are paying for. So what do they do? They memorize just enough to pass the test–never synthesizing and critically thinking about the information. 

    The documentary is very biased, but I am glad that someone is finally taking a step towards looking at the education system as a part of our capitalist system. I sense some Marxist thought in this documentary. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/louiecupcakes Edgar Wharton

    The first problem that I have come to realize with this documentary is his idea that it has all come down to regurgitation. While many schools and students do work in this manner of rote-memorization, one can hardly blame an educational institution as a whole for regurgitation of information–many students do not even want to be in the classes that, for the majority, their parents are paying for. So what do they do? They memorize just enough to pass the test–never synthesizing and critically thinking about the information. 

    The documentary is very biased, but I am glad that someone is finally taking a step towards looking at the education system as a part of our capitalist system. I sense some Marxist thought in this documentary. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/louiecupcakes Edgar Wharton

    The first problem that I have come to realize with this documentary is his idea that it has all come down to regurgitation. While many schools and students do work in this manner of rote-memorization, one can hardly blame an educational institution as a whole for regurgitation of information–many students do not even want to be in the classes that, for the majority, their parents are paying for. So what do they do? They memorize just enough to pass the test–never synthesizing and critically thinking about the information. 

    The documentary is very biased, but I am glad that someone is finally taking a step towards looking at the education system as a part of our capitalist system. I sense some Marxist thought in this documentary. 

  • Neo-Shaman

    So, the point of education is to make money. How shallow you humans are.

  • Talisman

    to sum up, thanks for the nice advert from NIA lllllooooooooollll

  • Talisman

    nice advert NIA !!!! well done for choosing a good looking guy to present it !!!!
    GOOD MARKETING STRATEGIE

    The docu in itself was allright though !

  • Emails

    My favorite was the unnamed, faceless lawyer burning his degrees.

  • Rcmerrim

    It is a moot point BUT one does not “Graduate collage”.  One “Graduates FROM collage”.  This strikes my ear like chalk on a chalk board.  Maybe you SHOULD go to college!

  • Unifiedreality

    Lots of this information is only half correct. Like the claim that food prices are being inflated by the overabundance of service sector workers in relation to agricultural workers – a product of the college scam. Actually, if you look at at a sattelite image of the world, you can see that almost all of the good land is being used for farming – almost all available water is being used in many places, and most farms don’t need as many employees because of machinery.

  • CPT Obvious

    Start thinking for free? Ok, I don’t want to sign up for your biased crap. Made VERY valid points with College costing to much and the degree is pointless. I’ve said that for years. Also owning PHYSICAL precious metals. I’ve said if I won the lottery I’d buy platinum bricks (btw gold went above platinum prices when gold is easier to come by is just one way to show you how the market is STUPID, how can something you can hardly get cheaper than something easier to get?) and I get the whole buy stocks in it bit. Why own a piece of paper that is WORTHLESS when you can have the PHYSICAL thing? What’s a degree? Proof you can memorize facts and reword things. What do smart people do? Have the ability to actually put what they’ve learned into action. Hands on is the only way. You’ll never learn from a book. You learn for trial and error, others mistakes, and experience. You have to WANT to work and bust your ass though. You have to WANT to think differently. Get a job a McDonald’s people, pay is low I know your point is what? You complain about mexicans taking jobs, they’re mostly jobs that require physical effort that you think are below you. Stop being a dumbass and complaining about shit and actually go out and bust your ass. If you don’t know how to do that, google some videos of the new deal and what America did to rebuild. That shit is rough, but made a strong work force that KNEW the worth of the dollar.

  • Holydonut

    what this documentary will tell you is-  Buy gold !  😛

  • Guest

    Forget going to college. I’m sure you will have no problems getting a job if you state internet educated as you education!

  • Number1Dad

    u are all fucking retarded

  • Natural1

    @ Rcmerrim

    Maybe you should go to college too. Its C-O-L-L-E-G-E!!!
    Not collage. Imbecile.

  • http://www.facebook.com/tgulden Thaddeus Gulden

    Get a freakin’ engineering degree from a regional state college. You’ll pay that off in 5 years.

  • J-20

    Whether it is an advertisement or a documentary it still makes good points. College is worthless when everyone goes and one thing he left out was how many people start college and dont graduate. But they are still saddled with debt and they dont have their pretty piece of paper. Basically, college isn’t for everyone and not everyone should try to go.

  • Kate

    should have read the comments earlier…the whole time I thought this is fishy…

  • Kate

    is there no way to get this BS removed?? It’s a commercial!!

  • http://recoveryrockstar.com Bruce Wane

    Are you kidding me it starts out fine but then it gets ridiculous. Seriously people do not watch this incase you want a good laugh.

  • http://recoveryrockstar.com Bruce Wane

    Banks will not loan money to an 18 year old regardless. This is so silly. Private banks would want to still have the protection of the government if the loans default.

  • http://recoveryrockstar.com Bruce Wane

    Coaches are paid by targeted donations not the university.

  • http://recoveryrockstar.com Bruce Wane

    NIA???

  • http://recoveryrockstar.com Bruce Wane

    NIA NIA NIA NIA NIA NIA NIA NIA NIA NIA NIA NIA NIA NIA NIA NIA NIA NIA NIA NIA NIA NIA NIA NIA NIA NIA NIA NIA NIA NIA NIA NIA NIA NIA NIA NIA NIA NIA NIA NIA NIA NIA NIA NIA NIA NIA NIA NIA NIA NIA NIA NIA NIA NIA NIA NIA NIA NIA NIA NIA NIA NIA NIA NIA

    Can we please put a warning on this that it is an advert for NIA and jumps all over the place.

  • Carolien

    I’m from Belgium and here a year of college costs about 750 dollars (550 euros) in tuition and another 500 dollars for books at a university, or 250 dollars for books at a college. The government pays the difference. I love my country!

  • David

    You know why i love going to university, sit and attend a class. Because i can make friend with others students. That’s why. So much self-pleasure and bullshit in this documentary, it make my eyes sweat blood and wanna read books instead

  • Ehh

    While this doc raises some valid points, it also makes some really stupid statements. So college education is “less special” because 70% of HS graduates want to go to college? What the heck?! 70% of young American minds want to go on to get a college/university degree and this is a bad thing? So you’d rather praise HS droupouts who leech off of the government through benefits because those kinds of people are “less common”? Countries where only a small percentage of teens and young adults are able to get a higher education weep for your idiocy.
    Also, high education isn’t just a “piece of paper”, mmkay? I’m not going to speak on behalf of all kinds of degrees, but even the least “stable” ones such as Fine Art courses help you create connections as you learn, let you “shadow” practising professionals and so much more.

  • truth seeker

    Although I disagree with this guy that a college degree is worthless, what he says student loans being almost impossible to pay back is true. Jobs are also difficult to get. College is important because it gives students a chance to transition from childhood to adulthood. Although I’m angry about the ridiculous costs of a college education, I’m more angry about how many of the grants out there are being given to foreign nationals, rather than US citizens.

    • adamweishaupt

      Only part of what you say is true.Foreign Students are unable to get an United States grant. The grants they get are Paid by their own Governments or some International Company,so who cares?