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A documentary about 13-year-old Deborah Drapper, who, unlike other British teens has never heard of Britney Spears or Victoria Beckham. She has been brought up in a deeply Christian family and her parents have tried to make sure she and her ten brothers and sisters have grown up protected from the sins of the outside world.

Deborah is a bright, confident girl who has big ambitions for her life and the film spends a summer with her as she ventures out in the world to see what life outside her family could be and starts putting her beliefs forward to a wider audience.

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  • some person

    interesting documentary, think they did a nice impartial (as far as documentary can go) representation of the family. however i do have to feel sorry for the girl being so indoctrinated into the idea of sin, that she has lose track of the message trying to be taught. i think anything being taken to such extremes becomes blinded by such black and white views. hopefully when she grows up a bit more and joins the rest of society she will see things clearer. i personally have no faith but respect people in their own beliefs, but this is a clear example of where the idea of hell has warped a young childs mind who wasnt ready to fully understand its implications. but on less serious note, i wonder if their son was hiding his possible homosexuallity from his family or if he was just quite camp.

    • Gunnie

      Honestly, she doesn’t seem terribly warped to me. She can explain her beliefs coherently and seems quite level-headed and happy for a 13 year old. She is a bit overly-focused on hell, but I think her brother will be a guide for her there.

      I guess I should disclose that I’m a Christian – though not from the “fundamentalist” side of Christianity.

      • AntiChrist

        This is Europe, you don’t find Jesuits like this alot. Unlike in the Southern US states where Allahu Akbar-like shouting Christians like this is quite common.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Casey-Spradling/100001933112324 Casey Spradling

          Again, I say- America is awesome. Watch your mouth or we will bomb you.

          • Smallvilleholden

            Again, I say- America is awesome. Watch your mouth or we will bomb you

            What kind of a comment is that? No country is any greater than any other. It is purely a matter of opinion that makes you believe your country is great. It’s people like you that cause racism and prejudice. Every comment you have written and that I have read on this sight; has always had negative undertones; or has been down right rude. I believe the term for one such as yourself is Troll.

          • Kim Andersen

            Sure you will, hillbilly…

          • Carolridley34

            What did he say that was untrue?

    • Undisclosed

      I agree that the oldest son may be gay, or just a bit flambouyant. I think the lady in the Green Jersey talking about the Puppet Show has the right idea, the family can do what they like with their children but I think its awful when children are being scared into becoming Christians.

  • feelsorry4me

    i dont think its extreme, she not chopping every sinners head off & i dont think she’s missing out on anything really important. sinning is bad not because it will get a person to hell, but because it will ruin a persons life. if belief in god is what it takes for a person not to sin or ruin its life then let them. i would rather have a daughter like Deborah than a daughter wanting everybody to sign her boobs.

    • RealityCheck

      Deborah and Mrs. Sign my boobs are hardly comparable. Here’s a radical idea, children being raised to think critically about the choices they make, perhaps even fostering an environment where self-worth is valued? Deborah appears to be a very smart young woman and it is unfortunate that she is not applying her intellect to projects other than god. As for Mrs. Sign my boobs, who are we to judge? We know less about her than we do about Deborah.

      • Stef

        Mrs. Sign my boobs probably used to be Deborah…

    • Carolridley34

      You wouldn’t want, say, just a normal daughter then? You do realise there is a middle ground, don’t you? Oh no, obviously you mentioned the word sinning twice in that paragraph. that gives the game away. you are not rational. Sorry, i’ve lost the will to bother with capital letters.

  • Another person

    Compared to the radicals of her religion, and many others, she seems to be pretty harmless. She might make people feel awkward sometimes when she witnesses, but I don’t get the sense that she’d ever hurt anyone or take it farther. I do believe you can be brainwashed but at the same time explain your beliefs coherently, however. Hopefully in the future she will continue to be open to trying new things and learning about different people and beliefs.

    In regards to the brother, I was under the impression that his relationship with his little sister was a little odd at times. I can’t put my finger on it just yet.

    I’ll disclose that I’m a Christian. I don’t dwell on sins or hell. I just dwell on loving myself and others.

  • Meaghan

    I am a Christian and I do believe everything she was saying but I dont think it is right for her to dwell on Sin and hell and heaven. People are talking about she is brain washed but we dam while know that the media brain washers people in main stream society too.

  • John

    Why are people down-voting the Christians here? It’s not like any of them have said anything offensive. Atheists and secularists need to stop being so tribalist all the time.

    • Go figure

      Why would the down-voters have to be non-Christian?

      If she wants live her life that way, fine, but why on earth is there a need to change everyone or to judge differing lifestyles and whatnot in the name of a religion?

      Bright, yet preaches to peers who clearly do not give a damn.
      Bright, yet does not know much of her own religion.
      Bright, yet does not have a clue of what even her own society is really like.

      Wow…

    • Carole Cole

      Out of the 6 letters I see above, 4 of them disclose that they ARE Christians and all of them are supportive of the girl, but simply have some reservations
      about what they saw. The other 2 people? – 1 identified herself as non- religious and the other didn’t say one way or the other. Nobody was insulting and even possible criticism was offered thoughtfully. So, this complainer has
      me concerned about his/her mental health. If she/he is seeing conflict where
      there is none, imagine what happens to him/her when there really is something critical or mean going on – major meltdown, I’d guess.

      • Carry

        I’m more concerned about your comprehension than the complainer’s mental health. You realise she was talking about the rating the comments were getting, right? Not the actual comments.

        • Lord Xenu

          Holy crap. (lol) Go read the comment again. LOL. Maby you should be concerned with your own comprehension of three straight-forward simple sentences.

          No, this is not open to interpretation, sweetheart. The assertion that anyone who could disagree with certain comments must be an atheist, or non-christian is in fact a remark on the comments themselves and not on the ratings.

          Iv never actually had to explain a concept this simple on this site before. 8S A little critical thought goes a long way.>

    • Misschatterbo X

      I know right! I mean all of our atheist churches and shrines are starting to pepper the world at an alarming rate . . . someone better put a stop to all that tribal behavior dare they start to send those believers to . . . counseling? / the job center? ( I’m really not sure where our atheist hell would be but probably a greasy spoon on the outskirts of Birmingham) We still lack a members only area in the sky but I think there might be somewhere for us on second life . . .

  • bren

    The parents are brainwashing the kids its as simple as that , what’s going to happen when the oldest son comes out of the closet ????

    • Daniel

      Zing

    • Daniel

      Zing

    • Lescorpio1972

      He’ll become a priest…

      • chemdawg

        lol

    • CrestRyder

      Man if’n he ain’ outta da closet by now…the parents are just a blind as the kids…

    • http://www.facebook.com/greater.celestin Greater Celestin

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      In response to the comments below. You people are completely wrong. You couldn’t be more wrong about anything in your lives. Jesus said ” wide is the way that leadth to destruction and many will go, but narrow is the way that leadth to life and few will find it.” You think by insulting something you don’t accept or believe in will automatically make it false or not true? You are wrong. Dead wrong. Read the king James version of the Bible if you want to know the truth. These days everything has become corrupted and that includes the gospel. If you are learning about God or Jesus from the wrong source you will go astray and turn away from the truth. Stay away from the catholic church. They are not following the Bible.

      • http://www.facebook.com/neil.sluyters Sluyters Neil

        Jesus
        said…? What did he write? What did he sign? There is not even a contemporary
        mention of him outside the bible, a book compiled by anonymous authors and
        copied, redacted and modified by a long line of crooks and liars.
        The gospels were corrupt from the beginning and in any case are a made up story. If you wnt to quote words attributed to JC. Then -
        Matt 17:20 You can move mountains with a grain of faith- never seen a Xian move anything.
        Luke14:26 Hate your family?
        and
        the verse that state ‘I have not come to bring peace but a sword.
        also
        All shall come to pass before THIS generation has passed.
        How do you rationalize such awful and contradictory verses, only the application of cognitive dissonance can achieve this.

        EG: You are chocking do you want me to pray for you or do the Heimlich Maneuver? If the science is all so wrong how can you use a car or plane or go to a doctor ever.? It is called hypocrisy!

      • http://www.facebook.com/neil.sluyters Sluyters Neil

        The bible!

        The
        single most effective method for creating Atheists ever conceived by man.

    • leoloe

      Whats the point in saying their brainwashing their children? Any adult that grew up with their parents were brainwashed by their parents.

      I suppose the difference is they might have a difficult time functioning in society, on the other hand, not like they’ll end up being unproductive members of society and gangsters.

  • cm

    Good grief feelsorry4me… Sin = to err and or to miss the mark. Look it up! Brain damaged Christian fool

  • Bob Badenski

    I don’t think he’s gay. British people all seem gay.

    • Jerome

      What an ignorant & bigoted comment, which certainly says more about you than it does about Britains.

      • Lord Xenu

        Really? Whens the last time you bummed a fag? Or smoked one for that matter? And i think you mean “British” not “Britians”.

        PS. This, like the first comment was meant as a JOKE. So don’t get your pretty pink thong in a bunch, you overly-sensitive tea-drinker. ;p

        • Ramus

          I’m guessing you’re not British as “Britains” was the correct word to use, you also spelt it wrong. You would probably be surprised that we don’t all drink tea, I drink about 20 cups of coffee a day. My guess is your American, we all seem to have misconceptions about each other. I’m sure you’re all not coke sniffing, gun mad, narcissistic, Jesus freaks.

          • adam butler

            “You would probably be surprised that we don’t all drink tea,… blah, blah.” I think you missed the point but then again trying to explain humor to “Britains” is like kicking water uphill. You aren’t going to win, Xenu.

            You were just joking but the over-sensitive part is spot-on. Some ppl just dont know how to take a joke.

            Hes right about the wordage though. So at least you two have an anality about proper language in common. lol

          • http://profiles.google.com/mistyrae82 Misty McAnally

            I wouldn’t give them too much credit for proper language. After all, they both used ‘your’ as a contraction.

            Ramus: ‘My guess is your American, we all seem to have misconceptions about each other.’

            Xenu: ‘Either way, your a tool.’

            On a positive note, I found something you both have in common! You can build on it and become best buddies. You’re welcome!

          • http://profiles.google.com/mistyrae82 Misty McAnally

            I wouldn’t give them too much credit for proper language. After all, they both used ‘your’ as a contraction.

            Ramus: ‘My guess is your American, we all seem to have misconceptions about each other.’

            Xenu: ‘Either way, your a tool.’

            On a positive note, I found something you both have in common! You can build on it and become best buddies. You’re welcome!

          • Ramus

            No, I do get the point, Americans like to poke fun at anyone that isn’t American. And as far as I can tell American humour doesn’t rise much above the toilet level. Poking fun at other people isn’t humour, it’s childish.

          • kitty krum

            Well, at least you agree to being childish…

          • kitty krum

            Well, at least you agree to being childish…

          • Lord Xenu

            …You sir, are an imbecile. First off, after being too immature to understand when someone is taking a friendly jibe, even after its intent is stated, you decide to go on the defensive. Right after claiming that we have misconceptions about one another, you ironically invalidate your own position by declaring “Americans like to poke fun at anyone that isn’t American.” and “American humour doesn’t rise much above the toilet level.”

            Can you please tell me where Monty Python comes from? Red Dwarf? Black Adder? Faulty Towers? Oh, im sorry. I didn’t realize that british people were a bunch of stuffy elitists that were above laughing at low-brow humor, or making fun of others. All these years i wrongly assumed that british people were a fairly humorous bunch.

            You then set an astonishingly retarded self imposed standard for what humor is not -”Poking fun at other people isn’t humour, it’s childish.”

            You see, i live in the first nation to adopt an official policy of multiculturalism in the world. (Ill let you figure it out) And i hate to break it to you but the way many people bond is through making fun of one another. Its human nature.

            When you talk about this american toilet humor being childish, it is either because you clearly lack the ability to infer the social and political criticisms that underpin said “toilet humor”. (Basically your the guy who watches South Park and doesn’t get it.) Or its because you want to enforce what you consider to be “right” humor on others. Either way, your a tool.

            Ah yes, i concede i was wrong about “Britains”, how stupid of me. A thousand apology’s.

          • Carolridley34

            So if your comment was a jibe, why take such offence and go on a rant? Especially as the comment seemed to be in fairly good spirit, unlike yours. I sense a bit of passive/aggressive behaviour there. Wikepedia informs me you’re Canadian (yes, I’m lazy). I repeat: re-read both posts and you’ll see your rant was pretty unnecessary and perhaps aimed elsewhere?

          • Krissi

            “spelt” & “your” are both spelled incorrectly….

    • Misschatterbo X

      oh he is so gay!! that’s the only reason he sat down when Katy perry’s i kissed a girl and i liked it came on . . . on a serious note though – did anyone else feel like he was just playing the dutiful christian for the documentary but was in actual fact living it up away from the family. He certainly didn’t have the strong views his sister has otherwise he would have tried converting all his friends and probably not had any left to meet his sister.

      It is definitely sad to see someone who is obviously articulate, bleating off the exact words of her parents without a single individual thought (you could hear her father bleating the have u ever lied line at the puppet show.) Its rather too simple. There is absolutely nothing wrong with having out there beliefs, most of us do in one capacity=city or another, but to actively encourage your child to go out and try and canvas support for a very outdated and one sided view point is not exactly great parenting.

      And lets not get started on the view they have on schools being like orphanages . . . but it does seem that they are all about generalizing so . . . .

  • Tammy

    So much brainwashing going on. It’s really sad. Things like this should be considered child abuse.

  • Ramus

    I’m guessing you’re an American that only knows the world from Hollywood and Fox. 99.99% of British people do not speak like you think they do mate. This guy probably speaks like that because of the way he was raised. Go to Moss Side in Manchester and then tell me you think we all speak like that. Narrow minded fool.

    • Jenna

      You know, there are some of us Americans who are more worldly and open minded and understand culture outside of Hollywood, etc. I find this insulting that narrow minded people like you from other countries alway pull the “ignorant American” card. I don’t think you are a beer chugging, toothless hooligan, so please stop putting Americans down. Thanks, mate!

  • MishMash

    It is a documentary on Nell, and she can speak now!

    • Anonymous

      Miss Chick-a-bee. Lay-oat’n hiii, lay-oat’n nayahww… 

    • Anonymous

      Miss Chick-a-bee. Lay-oat’n hiii, lay-oat’n nayahww… 

  • uratitmouse

    i find indoctrinating your children is very wrong and unfair to the kids…its ok to be religious but there showing the children a false sence of what the world is…the world is about getting along with others and this is something they are not learning as they go right to judging people who dont believe the same things they do…the 10 commandments dont even relate to the world today…most are about not believing in another god and a few important ones are clearly left out…what about rape…this poor girl is going to get a reality check when she goes into the real world…its very sad…evangelics are the worst for indoctrining their children…some act possesed and speak in tongues and the poor kids dont know any different and do it also…its just very sad…jesus camp is a very good doc also

  • uratitmouse

    …creationism frustrates me to my very core…its pathetic and ridiculous…science is not a belief like religion its fact…we didnt live with the dinosaurs a few thousand years ago…

  • blehh

    This is borderline child abuse.

  • http://www.facebook.com/yvonne.shortt Yvonne

    Although I don’t like the subject matter I love the editing, shooting, and documentary quality

  • ruby

    the dad makes me laugh…the bible was written a few years after jesus was crucified…well how is the old testement the book that jesus used to teach from then? as the jewish torrah is the old testament ?

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  • Ramus

    What’s up with the weirdo’s that type nonsense on this site?

    • Reply to Ramus

      “What’s up with the weirdo’s that type nonsense on this site?”

      It is advisable to improve your standard of spelling and puncuation before posting critical comments about others.

      • Ramus

        Are you serious? How do you spell punctuation moron. Take your own advise mate. And chill, it’s a forum not an English test. Jeez, some people.

        • Mchannah

          agreed, but *advice

      • Smallvilleholden

        Hypocrite

      • Smallvilleholden

        Hypocrite

      • Smallvilleholden

        Hypocrite

      • Smallvilleholden

        Hypocrite

  • Ramana

    Honestly , it’s families like this that usually have a gay/lesbian child who eventually comes out and helps mend the cognitive dissonance these Christians feel between ‘living the word of God’ and accepting thier child’s sexuality.

    I’m an openly gay male who grew up in a staunchly Catholic family. For this reason, i could never, nor will i ever, believe in a book that may in fact contain much truth, yet is undeniably altered by man throughout time given the relative historical perspective of that era. I never chose to be born this way, nor do I believe I’m going to hell because of it.

    Now I’m not saying the oldest brother is gay, but my radar definitely went off with his mannerisms. I could be wrong, but man I sure do hope he is gay for the sake of his family’s (and those children’s) mental evolution.

  • Kay

    LOL I love the British teen population. Maybe they need more girls like this. I’m Canadian and i remember my first time walking around Belfast and having 13-17 year old boys yelling “Fuck baby you fit” smoking and being obnoxious. I had to wear a ring on my wedding ringer so they wouldn’t follow me back to mine and my boyfriend house. And I wasn’t the best teenager ever but the worst of my friends can’t compare to there twats.

    • Kay

      Sorry these twats*

    • Smallvilleholden

      Twats? That’s not a very nice thing to say and I’m not a teenager. I live in Britain and I find those (Twats) actually make up for the minority of our over all (13-17yrs) population. Please I implore do not judge all by the actions of a few. it’s common sense that not all teenagers are going to be well behaved as is the case with all teenagers, in every country worldwide.

    • Smallvilleholden

      Twats? That’s not a very nice thing to say and I’m not a teenager. I live in Britain and I find those (Twats) actually make up for the minority of our over all (13-17yrs) population. Please I implore do not judge all by the actions of a few. it’s common sense that not all teenagers are going to be well behaved as is the case with all teenagers, in every country worldwide.

    • Smallvilleholden

      Twats? That’s not a very nice thing to say and I’m not a teenager. I live in Britain and I find those (Twats) actually make up for the minority of our over all (13-17yrs) population. Please I implore do not judge all by the actions of a few. it’s common sense that not all teenagers are going to be well behaved as is the case with all teenagers, in every country worldwide.

    • Smallvilleholden

      Twats? That’s not a very nice thing to say and I’m not a teenager. I live in Britain and I find those (Twats) actually make up for the minority of our over all (13-17yrs) population. Please I implore do not judge all by the actions of a few. it’s common sense that not all teenagers are going to be well behaved as is the case with all teenagers, in every country worldwide.

  • Sean

    Why are people commenting on Deb and/or Christianity instead of the quality of the doc? That’s disappointing.

    The doc is quite good, imo. The makers got excellent access and candid comments from all. It’s a nice transgression from her home life to the “big city” and her experiences there are fascinating. Just when I felt it might be starting to drag or rehash the same material, it ends. And a very good ending too.

    Well worth the hour.

    • Ramus

      Is the quality of the doc more important than the subject matter? That’s not why I watch documentaries.

  • sharon

    I am a Christian and I found it sad to see that this girl is literally obsessed with heaven and hell. The only reason she gives for being good and following the bible is that if we don’t, we will just end up in hell. What about wanting to be a good person and helping others? I hope that she learn more and tries to question her faith. I used to believe in everything she believed in, but when I was old enough I began questioning things that don’t make sense. The whole thing about a person who tells a small lie and ends up going into hell with other people who have committed rape and murder did not make sense to me. Then I read Dante’s inferno, I thought that it made more sense.The whole 7 hells and 7 heaven things. Now I just admit to myself that I will never know what happens after we die. The whole, taking the bible literally stupid. I’m sorry to those who do, but I have one thing to say to you. the bible has been changed over the years. In fact at one point the masses did not have access to the bibles! It was forbidden, and they couldn’t read anyways. Changes to the bibles could have been made while it was forbidden, in fact not taking that into account the bible is still not the same. They didn’t have photo copiers back then, if they wanted to make a copy of the bible, they had to write it by hand. Mistakes could have and were probably made. Or someone could have easily changed something about it. Oh and the big bang thing, there is a reason its called a big bang THEORY. Plus who said God didn’t create the big bang? People are stupid if they believe in that? I’m sorry but believing in a book that people wrote about God and taking it literally seems pretty stupid to me. Humans wrote the bible, not God. I’m sure there was no flash of lightning and the book just appeared out of nowhere. This is not to say there is something wrong with Christianity, in fact I like Christianity. But over the centuries true Christianity has been warped and now there are so many sects within Christianity when there shouldn’t be because the true teaching of Christianity is to love your fellow humans. Religious fanatics make me ashamed to call myself a Christian.

    • mrblue

      Sharon, four things you said I find intriguing:

      1) Now I just admit to myself that I will never know what happens after we die.

      Response: This is exactly true. Because you will be dead, you will never know. There is nothing special about humans that would allow for us to break every law of physics and nature and survive past death. This is one of the biggest lies, and most appealing, of religions.

      2)What about wanting to be a good person and helping others?

      Response: Most of us don’t need a made-up deity to do this. In fact, the need for it implies a fear of one’s own moral character. If people who feel thsi fear of themselves spent some time trying to find out what is bothering them about their morals instead of praying to some idol and letting the fear of that idol guide them, the world would be a much better place.

      3)Oh and the big bang thing, there is a reason its called a big bang THEORY.

      Response: What actually happens is that once scientists get hold of a good concept they gradually refine and extend it with a greater and greater subtlety as their instruments of measurement improve. Theories are not so much wrong as incomplete.

      Gravity is still called a theory, but no one doubts gravity. Still, we do not know its workings fully, thus it still has to be called a theory. The same thing applies for the big bang. There are varying theories on it and no one claims to know what it was or how it came about, but all observations point to it, so we use it and try to find evidence that either supports or refutes it.

      I would suggest a cosmology course to help you understand where we currently stand on this. New instruments will soon allow us even more precise observations, which will further refine the facts. This time in human history is by far the most exciting in this field.

      4) [Multi-part]
      a) The whole, taking the bible literally stupid…I’m sorry but believing in a book that people wrote about God and taking it literally seems pretty stupid to me.
      b) Humans wrote the bible, not God.

      Response: I hate to break it to you, Sharon, but you are actually not a Christian. The whole part about the Book being the Word of God? One of the very foundations of that religion.

      You, for some reason, as well as many, many others, are seem to feel a need to apologize for Christianity while, at the same time, you say you don’t believe in its principal tenets. This happens amazingly often and is the biggest reason these outdated religions continue to claw their way into society.

      Just be good, for goodness’s sake, and you’ll be happier and a better person.

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  • Joy

    I see the face of a future fascist.

  • mrchly

    oldest son is gay

  • Ramus

    I find it typical that the only comment some people can make is “The son is gay”. And? What’s your point? So what if he is? Grow up.
    @Sharon
    Good comments. Although I am not a Christian your comments speak of open wisdom. I was talking to someone at work today about how I believe in science/evolution all the way back to the point of the big bang. At which point the laws of physics break down and the only answer I can think of to how did the big bang start is someone started it, ergo a godlike being. I’m starting to believe that god set everything in motion but that then leaves another problem – who created god?

    • Travis

      Who Created God? That is a question I’ve had many times and I feel this is the closest possible answer. Since God is, he(she) must have desired to exist. To desire existence is vanity. Therefore God is a vain God. Vanity is a love for oneself. So, this divine source of spirituality has that in common with us. Vanity. One must first love himself before he can love his brother. That is why in the bible he is called a jealous God. Because this divine power existed from the beginning, then there is also non existence, just like ying/yang. “God” or the divine source of life is the original creation that all else has come from. Perhaps and most likely it did occur with a big bang. Imagine all of the universes energy manifesting itself in a moments eye. Explosions of energy spiraling and shockwaving through the void. That is what God is. The divine source of energy that initially set LIFE into motion and continues to create abundantly. Everything on this planet follows God’s course, except for some humans. We may do so if we choose, but we have the choice. Plants, Animals, Minerals, Water, Wind. they are already perfected, fulfilling their eternal destinies. Why do we as humans muddy the waters and not join in this exuberant celebration of life?

      I am a christian. I am an evolutionist. and the only religion is LOVE. Who cares about creationsim or evolution? Are you really that nitpicky that you are going to damn somebody you don’t even know because they believe creatures adapt and change to their environments? Science and true Christianity go hand in hand. The only reason people can find disparities is because they lack true wisdom. Modern Christianity is no longer spiritual. We have taken manmade rituals and blocked our rightful birthright in the universe by allowing money making priests to decide your eternal fate. Lose your ego, and find who you truly are.

  • Minna

    there’s not much fun in being her, or her highly confused brother. sad

  • Emanuele

    I agree to an extent that society focuses too much on looks, sex, alcohol, drugs etc. However, not everywhere is like that. I am pretty sure that if she was raised with good morals and values from her parents, rather than making her live every second of her life in fear of burning in hell, she would have a much better and normal social life. I DON’T THINK GOD WOULD BE VERY HAPPY IN SEEING A LITTLE GIRL SUFFERING FOR HER “SINS”, RATHER THAN LIVING LIFE HAPPILY LIKE MOST OF THE CHILDREN.

  • Mary

    I feel so bad for Deborah’s brother he can’t tell his sister
    or his family that he is gay. Maybe they know and they just don[t want to
    admit it. You can’t be a christian and be gay can you?

  • Nataly

    Omg..I didn’t even finish watching it, it made me nervous, how can their father say his children love the Lord, they are too little and don’t get what he is talking about!! Instead of isolating them from the society they should let them go to school because their parents won’t live forever and sooner or later those children will face the real world and will discover things they are not prepared to! I really hope they won’t follow their sister who bases whatever she does on the bible. Of course everyone should have values and may believe in something, but radicalism will never bring any good!

  • Violet

    This is rather distressing watching someone so young with such heavy ideas on the world.

    Being able to turn her back on science so early and saying there is no evidence for the big bang seems as though she hasnt actually even picked up a book and read about quantum physics, philosophy or even just the opinion of Richard Dawkins.

    I dont think that she doesnt have the right to be able to speak or live her life by the word of “god” but she doesnt have the right to be forcing it on others who dont think the same as she does.

    How she will grow in life would be another interesting docu to watch and see what things she will face later in life if it is that she will continue to be as god fearing as she is.

  • Ramus

    Your’e too high up on your horse to see what an idiot you are. I see nothing friendly about your previous comments so wipe the rabid foam from your mouth and stfu. And if you think Monty Python is childish toilet humour you clearly lack the intelligence to understand it so go back to your South Park. Making fun of your friends or portraying a character on TV is one thing, poking fun at a complete stranger is quite another, but you wouldn’t understand because you believe yourself superior to everyone.

    • mrblue

      You replying to someone again this time? Or just once again randomly placing this type of comment in a thread of its own on purpose?

      • Lord Xenu

        No, this time hes replying to me. He took it upon himself to become the humor police on this internet forum. (I know, lol) But hes afraid i’ll respond again so rather then posting under the original thread, or even stating to who its @, he creates a new thread hoping i’ll miss it and he can have the last desperate word. I was going to let him but since you asked…

        When i call you an idiot ramus, i use evidence, reason, and your own words to validate said claim. I have made no accusations that i have not backed up. You on the other hand provide no evidence, or even a real argument.

        Heres an example; Ramus: “I see nothing friendly about your previous comments so wipe the rabid foam from your mouth and stfu.” – Oh really? which part of my original statement was less friendly, the part where i said i was just joking, or the winking emote with its tongue stuck out? Once again – Your stupid. Case in point.

        The best though is when he said; “And if you think Monty Python is childish toilet humor you clearly lack the intelligence to understand it so go back to your South Park.” This is a quote mine for one. Childish was his word, not mine. Secondly after implying in the tradition of Voltare that the american toilet humor he deemed childish often had socio/political criticisms underpinning it that he did not understand (hence his description childish) and comparing it to monty python, he decides to ironically parrot my accusations back at me without even understanding them.

        I suppose i am the fool, though. If he cant even understand what a friendly jibe is, why would i expect him to understand such a concept?

        Ramus unlike you, i actually am a fan of monty python. Just like american humor though, some of it is low-brow simply for the sake of a laugh. Could you explain to me the deep meaning im missing in this great monty python act and how its not toilet humor – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxVKtNkQAtw (Monty Python; Sit on my face)

        All insults aside ramus, if you embrace some humility and learn to admit when your wrong instead of rigorously defending deeply flawed arguments you will find life a lot easier. The biggest obstacle to real learning is one’s own ego. Always remember this.

  • Sir Mike

    i think this young girl could easily be mistaken for being mentally ill.

  • Sarah

    I think it’s wonderful that she hasn’t been exposed to pop culture and has been given the chance to live a life that’s entirely her own – BUT – is she? Like I said, the media is a horrible thing for anyone to be exposed to, but religion has been responsible for more mass destruction and killing than any other kind of violence. I find it especially worrying for a female to believe that god exists because women apparently need to be punished. My father (who believes in god) said to me once, “If god is this all knowing force for good that people say he is then god doesn’t care weather you believe in him or not. Just as long as you’re a good person”. This girls mind has been completely skewed by religion in that her world is black and white. My children will not be raised by pop culture, but they certainly are not going to be raised by religion either. All humanity is lost when you categorize yourself and the people around you. Nature is love – not some mythical white bearded MAN up in the clouds. Don’t get me wrong, I believe in what can’t be seen with the eye: natures energy that surround and connect us

    • Terriproulx

      I just wish, no matter your belief, that people would see the value in stopping populating the world and adopt the many that need adoption.

  • http://www.twitter.com/beatrixkiddo27 priscilla

    I am not even angry at Deborah. I feel extremely sorry for her. I do want to rips the parents a new one though >.<

  • Brandon

    The old man’s facial expression at 26:09 reflects everything that I feel when seeing this.

  • Brandon

    Furthermore, I am curious as to whether the refutations of Pascal’s Wager would have any influence on Deborah’s mind. I cannot conceive how one can find the morality of the Christian God appealing. One needs only read Leviticus to see a glimpse of His despicable character. If such a God did in fact exist, I would rather go to hell being a moral atheïst than implicitly approve of his sick morality in heaven.

  • Brandon

    Furthermore, I am curious as to whether the refutations of Pascal’s Wager would have any influence on Deborah’s mind. I cannot conceive how one can find the morality of the Christian God appealing. One need only read Leviticus to see a glimpse of His despicable character. If such a God did in fact exist, I would rather go to hell being a moral atheïst than implicitly approve of his sick morality in heaven.

  • Mary eliza.

    Just off the record really quickly (don’t jump on me about christianity or the quality of the doc or my language) I just wanna know: Did anyone thought about Incest when you watched the doc? Cuz I was getting weird vibes off the brother and sister. (though maybe it’s only cuz I live in a less family-oriented area. As in I don’t do so much “family stff”) but I thought their relationship was ABIT on the weird side. Or is it just me? I don’t have a brother so I won’t really know.

    I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS THINK. GET OPINIONS. SO DON’T SHOOT ME ABOUT BEING IGNORANT ABOUT SIBLINGS-RELATIONSHIP OR SMTH. I AM IN DOUBT HENCE I AM ASKING. (just to clarify) :)

    • Sharon

      Well I understand why you would think that, but I think its just their close to each other. The family is different from most families. They kind of isolated themselves and in the beginning the siblings said that their best friends are eachother. I don’t think they have very many friends, and they spend a lot of time with their family. So I dont think its that kind of relationship.

      • Jane

        I don’t think it’s incest either. My sister and I are very close. We do everything together (and she is 7 years younger than me). We are truly best friends. That’s how I see Deborah and Matthew’s relationship

  • Carrie

    Poor little brainwashed girl is going to have a REALLY hard time assimilating into the real world.

  • Tamsin

    I feel quite sad for her, she seems very preoccupied with these big, heavy ideas at such a young age. I can understand her parents and brother are proud of her for having such conviction in her beliefs, but if I was her mother I’d want her to relax and bit more and enjoy things a bit more suited to girls her age. People rightly complain about the oversexualisation of children, and that they are growing up too fast, but I think the same goes for this girl. She isn’t enjoying being a kid because she has these very heavy thoughts in her mind all the time.
    I think when she grows up a bit and goes into the world she’s going to have to be very careful with what she says. Her brother’s friends were amazingly patient with her – if a 13 year old turned up at my party, started preaching, and telling me I was a bad person I’d not be very impressed. I hope she tones the way she speaks down as she gets older, because when her family aren’t around to protect her she may find that others are less accepting and tolerant of the her approach. I hope she also grows to understand and accept that not everyone has the same view as her, and that forcing her beliefs onto other people at every opportunity can be inappropriate.
    Also, I agree with the lady in the holiday park, and what others are saying. Individuals families can raise their kids however they like, but it’s wrong to force your opinions in such a blatant way onto other young, impressionable children, and especially to use an innocent puppet show as a guise to lure the children in.

    • http://twitter.com/maverickjester The Maverick Jester

      Tamsin, I think that you make a very good point. People complain that sexual images in the media steals the innocence of young people. But teaching a child that everyone is worthless and that most of mankind is doomed for an eternity of torture robs them of their childhood in a way that  television never could

  • Daniel

    Very good documentary, she seems like a quite clear minded girl and with further influence from outside sources i believe she will change her outlook on life.

    The thing that I reacted on with her outlook on life and christianity was the focus on hell and sins. This is probably the fault of her parents, when you teach children about christianity it should be about love, not hate. I’m not religious myself either should probably be said.

    • Brandon

      Well, given the fact that there exist many hate-related passages in the Bible, and assuming that the parents aim to convey its message literally, it would definitely be justified to emphasize these passages. If, instead, one would focus only on the parts that are said to represent love, and make no mention of the overabundance of hate-related passages, the message conveyed would be no more than an inaccurate and dishonest representation.

  • Marcus

    A question i think should be asked is weather her outlook on life is really that bad compared to the other teenagers you saw when they were out in the beginning.When you see these 13-14 year old girls sitting out smoking, drinking, doing drugs and god knows what at least i think her life is alot better. And I’m not religous and neither is anyone in my family but i mean seeing those kids smoking and drinking just makes me sick, where are the parents? At least her parents care…

    • mrblue

      Big difference between the two. Kids drinking and smoking, rebelling in other words, is natural and most kids do something to this effect that others find awful. The will most likely turn out being able to understand and operate in the real world.

      She, on the other hand has been brainwashed. That should be a child abuse crime. For her to overcome this mind-numbing indoctrination will take years if it ever happens. She could be ruined for life, and she never had a choice.

      To equate the two would be to have those smoking and drinking kids brainwashed to think that these behaviors are the right behaviors and any other behaviors are wrong, and they sit around all day worshiping their acts and then feel the need to try to get others to do as they do.

      The mind takes a lot longer to heal from poisons.

    • Lord Xenu

      Lol, marcus – No offense but I’ll bet your not that fun at party’s. Look at those kids- drinking and smoking, and doing drugs, and (GASP!) having sex!!! How Horrible!

      Are you kidding? I miss those days when i didn’t have any responsibility and could just go get fucked up with my friends. It was one of the best times in my life. In fact in my country (Canada) over 3/4 of the population has admitted to doing illegal drugs, but less than 30% even smoke weed anymore. Its part of growing up in my humble opinion. (weed isn’t as big a deal here as in the US)

      In my experience it’s the kids who have over-protective parents that deserve pity. I went to elementary with a couple of brothers who’s mom would not allow them to watch power rangers, the simpsons, or to play video-games. This had the effect of isolating the brothers so that they became unable to relate to anything their peers of that age were into. They quickly became segregated and found it harder and harder to function in that society until they were eventually removed from classes. I wonder what happened to them and suspect that they still have trouble relating to most people.

      @mrblue; I find your posts well-thought out and agreeable. However on the subject of making it a crime i pose a question; (I’m agnostic BTW) We are all indoctrinated with our parents morals in one way or another, does the benefit of making it a child abuse crime outweigh the dangers of setting a precedent whereby the state legislates what acceptable belief or opinion is? Not that I’m arguing against child protection laws mind you, just food for thought.

      “I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.” – Thomas Jefferson

  • mrblue

    In the interests of full disclure: I used to be a brainwashed believer, then became agnostic because I was still scared of the fairy tale, and then I became atheist and, finally, antitheist.

    Just because someone can inject sperm into a woman they’ve married and then grow the resulting embryo to term and eject a child into the world does not give them the right to ruin that child’s life. Childbirth is not a miracle and people don’t own children. There need to be limits, and there are.

    I find no difference between this girl being brainwashed in such a poisonous manner and a recent case in Canada where two children were removed from the ‘care’ of their parents who were teaching their children the ideals of Nazism. The two are both instances where the parents are harming their children in an easily observable manner. Normal kids don’t have documentaries like this made about them.

    Both Nazism and Christianity (you can say this of any of the big three Abrahamic, monotheistic religions, however) are, at their core, groups who hate free thought, hate others not like them and want to control everything at the peril of those who do not want to follow. They despise life and long to keep their believers in a constant state of self-denial in anticipation of a death that promises to reward them for their god’s mistake: life.

    Both also try to hide these facts under the guise of love, in a twisted, disgusting manner that, fortunately for them, Christians are better at concealing.

    While Nazis failed in their horrible campaign to rid the world of Jews, Christianity has been the most successful genocidal enterprise throughout history, having wiped numerous wonderful cultures off the Earth, while having reduced many others to mere shells of their former selves.

    So, while I do believe we need to be careful of what we allow the state to legislate, I think we have to start somewhere. If this hurts the feelings of religious folks, that should be of no more concern to anyone than the hurt feelings of a racist when we tell them their beliefs are foolish and evil.

    In fact, if Christians had had their way, we would still be bringing Africans over to work as slaves for us.

    As always, religion only capitulated when there was no other choice, and quickly changed their tune in order to maintain any amount of relevance that could be saved. All the while, they await their next chance at control. For proof of this, just look at the United States right now, and the insanity they are allowing to infect their population under the guidance of laws that tell them religion is to be treated with reverence and is not to be persecuted.

    Religion should damn well be persecuted. If possible, it should be stopped. It preys on the weak, and it rewards and encourages willful ignorance and denial of truth in its subjects to the point where the world is now in peril of being destroyed by it. Just one of these nutbars hears the right word from his god and we could be in a nuclear war, over myths.

    Anyway, I digress…a shorter answer would be that the state already legislates what acceptable belief or opinion is. I simply believe they are falling short of the mark.

    Another way to think of this: Freeing children from the grips of these parents would be an act of liberty. It would only inconvenience the parents, who would lose a victim. Everyone else would benefit.

    • Casey

      You’re an idiot. An angry, brainwashed (Yes. I said brainwashed) idiot. I’d try to help you, but I’m not interested in becoming the next bandwagon you jump on. My only advice: please, have an original thought sometime, and own it.

      • Dikotomii

        Wow.
        Ad Hominem based replies take so much thought to convey. It actually is a testament to the expanse of your mentality. The man writes what can equate to a thesus worth of what he feels are his thoughts and you seem to think that 2 run-on sentences from what certainly is a Harvard educated vomit hole just tore right through all of that. It would have been better if you just told him that he was going to hell or something touchy-feely like that but you say you would try to help him? Help him be what? Endoctrinated too? Scared of Skyfairies like you?
        Tell ya what, Heaven is for real. I’ve said so. Now grab the nearest gun and you and I will have a race there. Last one in is a hell-bound homosexual.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Casey-Spradling/100001933112324 Casey Spradling

          Since you brought it up – I’m not nearly as afraid of “Skyfairies” (is that always capitalized?) as I am of sharks. Perhaps the most interesting point I’d like to bring up though, is that you condemn my “ad hominem” reply, only to furnish me with your own. But wait! Could that be a clever nod to your avatar, “Dikotomii”? Let’s just be honest with each other: When faced with a question so daunting, it’s just easier (and more fun) to insult people. Still, I wish you and the rest of these brilliant minds would stop being such pussies and use your real name’s to attach to your strong opinions. Otherwise, how will I recognize you when the bandwagon comes around? 

          • Alex

            Casey, may I call you Casey? I just don’t want to force a sense of familiarity.  I’m assuming that you’re Christian, please correct me if I’m wrong.  Mr. Blue brought up the point that Deborah and the rest of her siblings should be remanded to state care, given the apparent fundamentalist and possibly militant overtones of her parents.  Now this may seem absolutely mad to you, but how would you feel about Wiccan parents homeschooling their children, or Muslim parents homeschooling their children and preaching that women should serve men unquestionably, cover their body with black robes and full face masks, and allow their male partner to have more than one wife – tell me Casey, would you if you had the power to remove those Muslim children and place them in state care?

          • Tombear

            (Sorry for intervening in your conversation; I am not Casey.) There are limits to everything. Some parents teach their children to use alcohol and drugs, and to use weapons. Society puts limits for its own good. There is good Christianity and bad Christianity. There is Islam that gives peace and there is Islam that causes war. We cannot simply color everything in black and white. There are grey shades everywhere, even if we think white would be best, but none of us can live up to it.

          • Alex

            Casey, may I call you Casey? I just don’t want to force a sense of familiarity.  I’m assuming that you’re Christian, please correct me if I’m wrong.  Mr. Blue brought up the point that Deborah and the rest of her siblings should be remanded to state care, given the apparent fundamentalist and possibly militant overtones of her parents.  Now this may seem absolutely mad to you, but how would you feel about Wiccan parents homeschooling their children, or Muslim parents homeschooling their children and preaching that women should serve men unquestionably, cover their body with black robes and full face masks, and allow their male partner to have more than one wife – tell me Casey, would you if you had the power to remove those Muslim children and place them in state care?

        • Tombear

          I am not a Christian because I am scared. I am a Christian because I do not need to be scared. Knowing God, there is actually nothing to be scared of. But those who do not know God, have plenty of reasons to be scared.

          I hope you will find more reliable information about the Christian faith.

          • Clairey

            me too,

          • Paul

            But here’s the thing.. you think that without God there’s a reason to be scared, so hence you are running god to escape fear. The main point is that you are trying to say for certain what no one can prove. Therefore you don’t actually know that its true, you just hope, so when you say that this is the way it is for sure, you turn yourself into a liar.

          • Tombear

            One can be convinced about one’s hopes, and building one’s life on that, and sharing that hope with others. If you say that such a person is a liar, well, may it be so then. (Future will show if hope is a lie or not.) But people with a good hope are better off than those who are hopeless.

            Before I knew God I was not afraid, for I knew not better. Now as I know God (at least a bit) I understand that those who deny him have things to fear in the future, even though they may not be aware of it now (just as I was not aware).

            Yes, I take is as a “fact” that what I say is true. It is called “faith”. Every person has some kind of faith, it just has different names. Even atheism is a “faith”, a “belief” that there is no God. (I am aware that I may not have used all words correctly, please respect that. It is hard to express philosophical reasoning correctly without knowing the exact terminology for everything. But I think you can understand my line of thought.) Future will prove if the atheist is right or if the person believing in God is right. We can look at facts, and I have found enough “evidence” for my stand. Fulfilled biblical prophecies is one example. The space here is not enough to go into details this time, but other threads on this page deal with some of it.

          • http://www.facebook.com/neil.sluyters Sluyters Neil

            Faith by definition is belief without evidence. Without evidence it is not a fact. It is wish thinking. It is not Atheists verses a Gods as there are many.
            It is because ALL the evidence goes against ALL the gods man has made.
            Atheism is a single stand on a single subject, you or other claim their is a God or Gods, I reject your claim because there is no proof or evidence and a mountain against. That is using reason, logic and knowledge.
            I am sure you do not believe in Zeus or Apollo think why and you will no why I don’t believe in your fabrication. In fact you are an atheist I just go one god more.

          • http://www.facebook.com/dillon.r.hillier Dillon Randy Hillier

            Reason, logic and knowledge are the enemies of religion.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/BFOFFTQ7VCWAJC4T5KCWID6XTE Honey West

        Mr Blue explained his thoughts very clear. Very articulate. And you respond with name calling.

    • Lex

      I completely agree with you. Religion = cult. Those involved are just too brainwashed and naive to see the truth.

      • http://www.facebook.com/greater.celestin Greater Celestin

        You actually have the nerve to write something like this on a comment forum for people to read? Remember what the scripture says ” the fool says in his heart there is no God.” You may find yourself running back to church very soon when life’s problems hit you.

        • BudworthFurBags

          “The fool says…”

          So we should feel bullied into believing in a god? These guys that wrote The Bible sound like assholes.

        • http://www.facebook.com/neil.sluyters Sluyters Neil

          What if you have the wrong god? There are 2000 active religions many pre date the Jews and Xians versions. Heck there are 30000 sects of Xians, they can not all be right?
          When you have knowledge instead of fear and ignorance religion become clear for what it is a hoax enforced for by violence and terror until the enlightenment and reason rose to challange the falsehoods and theocratic dictators. As one of the Pops slipped up and said “It has served us well this ledgend of Christ”.
          The only time I would run to a church, would be to rescue and abused (raped child), to burn it down or to help turn it into a community centre for everyone to share.

    • Anonymous

      If God existed I’d be Anti-Theist!!! LOL….what good is a Slaver?

    • Hélène

      You’re an ‘anti-theist’? Now there’s a conundrum. Your little epistle would be comical, apart from the fact that there is a definite threatening tone to it. Careful what you wish for…

    • Hélène

      You’re an ‘anti-theist’? Now there’s a conundrum. Your little epistle would be comical, apart from the fact that there is a definite threatening tone to it. Careful what you wish for…

    • Jake

      You know nothing about National Socialism. What those Canadians were teaching their children is orders of magnitude closer to the truth than the cultural Marxism to which those kids were being subjected in public school.

      “Racism” is reality. Nature is “racist.” Anti-racists such as yourself are the true threat to freedom, as you not only deny reality, but are hell-bent on destroying those who respect and choose to live in accord with reality.

      It is your beliefs that are foolish and evil. They are as reality-averse as those of the looniest religious fundamentalists, and it was your worldview made manifest in politics that resulted in the greatest slaughters in history.

      • HeyGenius

        I agree… “Racism” what a joke.

    • LaughingMan

      so true, mr blue. couldn’t have put it better.

    • guest

      amen…

    • Paul

      ha ha Mr blue you have no idea what you are talking about…slavery has little or anything to do with religion or Christianity….Religion is seldom the root cause….it is other factors, culturalm, land rights, plain racism, political, money or other.  Stop putting the blaim on religion …it just doesnt warrant it.  Despite what you think many Christians and people of other faith are free thinking ….very much so….it just happens to be that the faith they have allows them to see the rubbish that needs to be thrown from their lives….in order to live a better life…which may be misconstrued as being narrow minded. 
      The satanic church says do what thou wilt under love…..this doesnt work ….it can’t it will ultimately lead to doing something that may seem benign but ends up hurting others and mankind.  This girl is not necessarily being brainwashed….it is a form of protection as the world in its entirety is a pretty sick place…teh more you can isolate yourself from that shit…possibly the better you are for it.  Nazism is vastly different to Christianity come on are you serious…

      • Alex

        Paul you claim that many Christians and people of faith are free thinking.  Why is it that the Pope instructs individuals NOT to use condoms and other forms of STD/STI protection?  And why when the most impoverished, uneducated and vulnerable peoples in Africa take this to heart and cause HIV epidemics does the Pope not encourage people to safeguard their medical livelihood to as you so unequivocally state ‘live a better life’?

        • Tombear

          As a Christian I do not heed to the words of the pope primarily, or even secondarily. History has proven. I heed to the words of God. Jesus Christ is never wrong. I can be a huge difference between being a Christian, as you know it, and being a follower of Jesus Christ.

          If people would heed to the Word of God HIV would not be a big problem in the first place. But reality is people choose for themselves how to do things.

        • trojanrailroad

          The Pope is Catholic. However, considering the pretty one-eyed approach of most people on here, Catholics would probably be regarded as the same as Methodists, Baptists, Quakers, Greek Orthodox, Unitarians and Amish. Or should we just round them up into a group rather arrogantly named ‘People who believe in silly things, so lets stop them from believing in silly things’?

        • Clairey

          you are gettin confused between christians (followers of Jesus) and religion (catholism).

      • goddammit

        Nazism was founded on catholic values and supported by a pope. The catholic youth was rebranded as the Hitler Youth once Hitler rose to power.

        jesus supported slavery (Ephesians 6:5 NLT, 1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

        jesus even explains how to beat slaves (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)

        Explain again how christianity isn’t like Nazism, and care to show how you came to the conclusion that slavery has nothing to do with christianity while you are at it?

    • Robdextrous

      Are you serious?

      That is the most pathetic post I have ever read. You Internet Athiests really do come out of the woodwork and troll anything to do with religion without fail. I used to argue against you pretty much as i am doing now but I have just realised something. Your arguments are that dumb that you would actually convert a non believer into a fully fledged saint all by yourself.

      Keep on mate you really are doing Gods work

    • Tombear

      It seems your view of Christianity is made up by people who are misled. I know that misled or egotistic people have created what is called the history of the so called Christian world, and you have given examples from that. But that does not match the life of Jesus as it is portrayed in the four Gospels in the New Testament. If you read that story and ponder upon it, you will realize that what you ascribe to the Christian faith is not caused by its founder, Jesus.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/BFOFFTQ7VCWAJC4T5KCWID6XTE Honey West

      Boy you are spot on. I find this girl smug and frightening.

    • http://www.facebook.com/greater.celestin Greater Celestin

      You actually have the nerve to write something like this on a comment forum for people to read? Remember what the scripture says ” the fool says in his heart there is no God.” You may find yourself running back to church very soon when life’s problems hit you.

    • crazn420

      So if a child isn’t his parents… who’s child is it? That kind of talk is so disturbing it’s scary. Just because you don’t agree with the parents beliefs… all the sudden their not fit to be parents?

      That’s arrogance at a whole new level. Read the book “1984″…. you would fit right in that kind of setting.

      What’s your alternative? Please tell me oh master of the universe…. you seem to know everything. I’d like to understand what belief system you consider “right”. What’s the one size fits all “philosophy of life” that we all should be living according to you?

      Anybody who judges these parents because of the way they raise their kids obviously doesn’t have kids of their own. The children were fed… sheltered… end of story. Take that self righteousness somewhere else.

  • http://documentaryheaven.com David Sr.

    I am quite pleased with this documentary. It is a breath of fresh air to see young people concerned about something other than the idiocy that is offered in the main media. Why when children choose to follow they’re parental/ God inspired leadership that they are somehow being forced against they’re will? The early churches in America were very similar to this family. Keep up the good work Deborah, and don’t be disuaded from your mission. And how anyone can equate this family with Nazism is way out there.I think these kids are free from the drug and sex crazed society that surrounds them. She seems happy in her life, and so many people are so miserable in they’re own lives that they just do’nt understand how someone can be so happy in their own skin.

    • Anonymous

      @a63443c38378c7d0652d7fbe0ff0992d:disqus : You’re right sir, she must be really happy living believing that she is a lying, coveting, blasphemous and wretched piece of shit that deserves to go to hell. Didn’t your parents spread that kind of happiness in your ife?

    • Anonymous

      @a63443c38378c7d0652d7fbe0ff0992d:disqus : You’re right sir, she must be really happy living believing that she is a lying, coveting, blasphemous and wretched piece of shit that deserves to go to hell. Didn’t your parents spread that kind of happiness in your ife?

    • Carolridley34

      There is a third way you know. I have a daughter who is now 20 and attending university. She is neither indocrinated into any religion nor is she a sex/drug crazed person who only cares about what colour nail varnish to wear.  The problem with people of any religion it appears to me is they seem to think they have a monopoly on morals! That offends me greatly.

      Although can I just say that obviously my morals wouldn’t necessarily 100% align with yours! But that doesn’t make you right.

      And can I just distinguish between people of faith and religious people because a lot of people believe in a God of some sort but don’t follow a religious doctrine. In my experience you only get the problems with the religious ones.

  • Bystander

    I think that the brother and sister seem a little too close… I guess that’s the result of only knowing your family throughout your important formative years. I’m concerned for them.

  • Tara

    The brother is so gay, to funny.. Maby he dont know it jet, but jezus won’t like it.. LOL.. Everyone can belive what they want but don’t try to brainwash somebody! To funny how a man (was speaking to a group of people) dinosaurs never have existed.. Are you stupid?! Damn.. The bones they found where plastic? Pfff.. I (maby) agree about the fact that the most englisch tenaage people are f*ucked up.. Just try to find a way in the middle, that you feel good about it yourself..

  • Tara

    The brother is so gay, to funny.. Maby he dont know it jet, but jezus won’t like it.. LOL.. Everyone can belive what they want but don’t try to brainwash somebody! To funny how a man (was speaking to a group of people) dinosaurs never have existed.. Are you stupid?! Damn.. The bones they found where plastic? Pfff.. I (maby) agree about the fact that the most englisch tenaage people are f*ucked up.. Just try to find a way in the middle, that you feel good about it yourself..

  • Tara

    The brother is so gay, to funny.. Maby he dont know it jet, but jezus won’t like it.. LOL.. Everyone can belive what they want but don’t try to brainwash somebody! To funny how a man (was speaking to a group of people) dinosaurs never have existed.. Are you stupid?! Damn.. The bones they found where plastic? Pfff.. I (maby) agree about the fact that the most englisch tenaage people are f*ucked up.. Just try to find a way in the middle, that you feel good about it yourself..

  • Hannah

    Shame on those parents for brainwashing those kids. SHAME ON THEM.

  • Lizzie

    That girl should be punched in the face.

  • Lizzie

    That girl should be punched in the face.

  • Lauren

    Aside from any religious beliefs, I find it to be absolutely heartbreaking to me that this young girl at 13 feels her life is short and almost meaningless and that its just a “dash” from when shes born to when she dies. I hope she someday finds something that she is passionate about and loves other than God.

  • Anonymous

    So, in the beginning God created Man in his own image….but “we are wretched and horrible people so God sent Jesus”??????????? When do these people teach critical thinking to their children?

  • Erik

    This is one of the most saddest thing i’ve ever watched. It makes me angry. Everything they do serves the perpouse of keeping them isolated and naive. Nothing to question their belief – which is utter bullshit.

    And what about if there is no hell, that’s that but what if it does exist! Hah! Gott’ya!
    Is that a good reason to believe?

    Nothing makes any sense.

    Please, all believers just die..

    • a believer

      “Please, all believers just die”???
      Is this your faith or is genocide just your soup du jour?

    • a believer

      “Please, all believers just die”???
      Is this your faith or is genocide just your soup du jour?

  • http://twitter.com/br0wnsugarz Matt Ramlogan

    I found this very uncomfortable to watch. I mean no disrespect to the family, although, I personally would never raise my children like that. But, her upbringing and home schooling has taught her the basic foundation her life revolves around: going to heaven and hell. It does seem she is afraid of sinning…heck, she does everything she can do spread the word of God and educate others. However, is religion supposed to induce fear? Deborah is friggin afraid of going to hell.

    I am a Christian myself but now 20 years old I’ve began to ask myself questions regarding my religion. I have based myself as a person who makes their own choices for the better of myself before I do good unto others. Basically, I must be happy for me to make others happy. No that doesn’t mean robbing a bank for money then donating it to charity. As the person I am, I use my morals and ethical judgement to make my decisions. Sure anyone can choose whatever religion you want but are you really going to follow the teachings? I remember going to church every Sunday to hear the readings of the gospel and the priests’ homilies about how we can incorporate the gospel’s message into our lives. People walk out of the church and go goddamn sinning again! Society does not follow the teachings that are being provided to us, I am one of them. Material possessions have ultimately become our #1 source of happiness for it will truly help us move on in life…But what lies beyond death? None of us know. No one.

    Nowadays I read the papers and watch the news. The message I’m getting is religion has killed more people than it’s saved.

    • EATAFATDICK

      hahah that took you 20 years?

    • David

      Matt, I was raised in a Christian home, but I turned away when I was a teenager because I was no longer scared of hell. God used depression in my life to bring me to Him and when I was 16 I believed in Jesus as my Lord and Savior and confessed my sins. Matt where do your moral and ethical judgements come from? Do they could from yourself or the Bible? If they come from yourself what makes your truth better than anyone else’s truth? But if they come from the Bible you have to ask the question is the Bible, the Word of God, so part of it the Word of God, or is none of it the Word of God (just human conspiracy)? First the Bible is backed by historical accurancy, over 23,000 archilogical digs, fulfilled prophesy (Jesus himself fulfilled over 300 prophesies), the New Testment has over 24,000 copies of portions of it the earliest dating back to around 120 AD. The Bible has 66 books with over 40 authors and yet it is 1. Internally consistant, 2. Coaborate, and has 3. Reliablity. These are all reasons outside the Bible. Does the Bible say it is the Word of God? Yes it does. In 2 Tim 2:16 it says “All Scripture is God breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness.” 1 Peter 1:24-25 says “All men are like grass, and their glory is like the flowers of the field; the grass withers and the flowers fall, but the word of the Lord stands forever. And this is the word that was preached to you”. In 2 Peter 1:16-21, Peter would was one of Jesus’ disciples says “We did not follow cleverly invented stories when we told you about the power and the coming for our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of His majesty. For he received honor and glory from God the Father when the voice came to him from the Majestic Glory, saying, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.” We ourselves heard this voice that came from heaven when we were with him on the sacred mountain. And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation.For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.” What seperates Christianity from other religions is the Resurrection of Jesus Chirst, and the great textual evidence for the authenticity of Scripture as we have received it. You have to have faith in Jesus Chirst as Lord and Savior, but it is not a blind faith.

      • Ady

        @ec504c58ca9102ef5cf1c89e906c7f79:disqus


        First the Bible is backed by historical accurancy, over 23,000 archilogical digs, fulfilled prophesy (Jesus himself fulfilled over 300 prophesies), the New Testment has over 24,000 copies of portions of it the earliest dating back to around 120 AD. The Bible has 66 books with over 40 authors and yet it is 1.”

        I read a book a few years ago – it’s called Misquoting Jesus. It breaks down how the bible evolved based on painstaking evidence from all these texts. Remember there wasn’t a printing press until very recently. Beforehand – people copied by hand – and so with maybe over thousands of authors they do not all say the same thing. They are not 1. They reflect 2000 years of written broken telephone.

        This book helped clear up for me what likely wasn’t in the most original. It had amazing analysis of the way we interpret things wrong too – for example, we have to be careful not to be carried away with ideas such as “more copies say x, therefore x is true” because often it was a bad copy that just had more reproductions or for some reason those copies were not destroyed or they were not used as often so they didn’t wear down.

        It may be also interesting to actually know what earlier versions say versus the commonly used King James bible which is actually a copy of more than a millennium years later…. I highly recommend this book. Theres such a plethora of information in it – couldn’t put it down.

        • mycrazydream

          So… the Bible has 40 authors, multitudes of conflicting texts, was assembled and limited to what the early Church elite decided what it could and could not contain. You actually base your whole life on this book. Are you insane?

          And yes, the Bible has tons of history. So does the story of the Odyssey, but you don’t worship Zeus, do you? Wake up to reality, or I will be forced again and again to scorn your strange, macabre fantasy of a religion.

          • Tombear

            Yes, there are many manuscripts, but the differences are so small that the message is not altered for one who searches the truth. (But the author of the book who claims the opposite, he must claim it, for he makes money on his book.) If you compare today’s Old Testament text with the Dead Sea Scrolls, there is no difference. It is true there are differing translations, but a wise person compares the translations.

            The story of the Odyssey is an interesting comparison, because few would question that novel. The Bible has tens of thousands times more manuscripts and numerous different early translations, yet it is questioned right and left. Why? Because it is too challenging for most persons if God really exists as the one he claims to be. So the problem is not the credibility of the manuscripts, but man’s claim for independence.

    • Isa H42

      Um, the lust for power/land/control has definitely killed more people than religion!  If anything, religion has been the justification (in a very weak, self serving way but the rulers who couldn’t care less), but not the motivation.  Not, or course, that the millions killed by deliberate food policies in China and the Ukraine can be chalked up to anything more than human arrogance.  Also, I’ve never seen religion as the motivation for the millions killed in WWI WWII, Vietnam or most civil wars.  Pure politics, those.

    • Isa H42

      Um, the lust for power/land/control has definitely killed more people than religion!  If anything, religion has been the justification (in a very weak, self serving way but the rulers who couldn’t care less), but not the motivation.  Not, or course, that the millions killed by deliberate food policies in China and the Ukraine can be chalked up to anything more than human arrogance.  Also, I’ve never seen religion as the motivation for the millions killed in WWI WWII, Vietnam or most civil wars.  Pure politics, those.

    • Isa H42

      Um, the lust for power/land/control has definitely killed more people than religion!  If anything, religion has been the justification (in a very weak, self serving way but the rulers who couldn’t care less), but not the motivation.  Not, or course, that the millions killed by deliberate food policies in China and the Ukraine can be chalked up to anything more than human arrogance.  Also, I’ve never seen religion as the motivation for the millions killed in WWI WWII, Vietnam or most civil wars.  Pure politics, those.

  • Anonymous

    I hope that she eventually gets away from her brainwashing parents & gets out into the real world & finds out that they have been lying to her all of here life & comes to despise them for it. His parents are going to be really pissed off when he finally come out & tells them that he’s gay.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/philip.engen Philip Engen

    And on the first day Man created God…. these words scribbled upon my news feed brought upon the destruction of my Creationism beliefs

    It is extremely sad to see this girl having the short end of the stick by being (i know this is a little yeah…kind of term) Brainwashed BEFORE having a chance to grasp the true concept of reality behind the walls of the Church and Religion in General…

    But i always have believed that if someone needs motivation the answer is “You will be Saved by God!” or “Do this or Burn in Hell” as violent as this is…it’s how some people go on living in everyday life hiding from the “Wrath of God” by going out of a normal routine to please a Entity in the sky….thats just how it is i guess…..i’m 16 btw so if someone would add some insight in this endless debate please do so i love FOOD FOR THE BRAIN :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/philip.engen Philip Engen

    And on the first day Man created God…. these words scribbled upon my news feed brought upon the destruction of my Creationism beliefs

    It is extremely sad to see this girl having the short end of the stick by being (i know this is a little yeah…kind of term) Brainwashed BEFORE having a chance to grasp the true concept of reality behind the walls of the Church and Religion in General…

    But i always have believed that if someone needs motivation the answer is “You will be Saved by God!” or “Do this or Burn in Hell” as violent as this is…it’s how some people go on living in everyday life hiding from the “Wrath of God” by going out of a normal routine to please a Entity in the sky….thats just how it is i guess…..i’m 16 btw so if someone would add some insight in this endless debate please do so i love FOOD FOR THE BRAIN :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/philip.engen Philip Engen

    And on the first day Man created God…. these words scribbled upon my news feed brought upon the destruction of my Creationism beliefs

    It is extremely sad to see this girl having the short end of the stick by being (i know this is a little yeah…kind of term) Brainwashed BEFORE having a chance to grasp the true concept of reality behind the walls of the Church and Religion in General…

    But i always have believed that if someone needs motivation the answer is “You will be Saved by God!” or “Do this or Burn in Hell” as violent as this is…it’s how some people go on living in everyday life hiding from the “Wrath of God” by going out of a normal routine to please a Entity in the sky….thats just how it is i guess…..i’m 16 btw so if someone would add some insight in this endless debate please do so i love FOOD FOR THE BRAIN :)

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  • Anonymous

    Too many of you are haters. There is nothing wrong with this girl. She is 13 years old and appears more intelligent than most girls her age. She has good morals and as “brainwashed” as they seem, she is confident in herself, courageous enough to express her beliefs to anyone, does not fear negative comments, has good intentions behind her preaching, enjoys her simple life though isolated from society, stays close with her family and believes in a Supreme Being. Just because someone is religious, it does not make them brainwashed, ignorant or naive. Science will never disprove God, heaven or hell. In fact there are too many things science has not been able to prove. It’s undeniable that science governs the laws of the universe but if you are spiritual than science can simply be a worldly concept given to man to understand and advance his environment but that’s the extent of science. To each his own belief. If you haven’t actively attempted to seek knowledge about the spiritual world, as crazy as it may sound, you are just as ignorant as the “believers” whom you claim are.

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  • Bobette

     Aw, Matthew’s such a poppet!

  • Bobette

     Aw, Matthew’s such a poppet!

  • doug

     What a slightly depressing documentary. Interesting, but depressing.

  • doug

     What a slightly depressing documentary. Interesting, but depressing.

  • Victor

     I’m really happy to see a girl of this age thinking like that.
    I think she is on the right track and God is guiding her.
    But I believe that nobody has the power to judge or even say: “you’re going to hell because you lied, or did this or that”. So, we should try to focus on the positive side and do things that’s gonna make us better and help the world around us. I read the bible, I believe in Jesus but I committed a lot of sins in my life and I still trying to be a better person, get close to God and make a positive difference in this world. The evil is around but let’s leave the hell aside and think about heaven.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=751734817 Odd Sigve Tendenes Tengesdal

      Maybe it`s satan that guides her? Who knows? Do you? Maybe he`s tricking us into a false light or something like it?

  • Josef

    It was interesting and a bit sad at the same time. in my opinion, she spoke about “hell” and people’s sins more than I would have liked.

    I’ve known that I’ve been gay since I was around 4 or 5 years old, which is way
    before puberty.
    I wasn’t subjected to an environment that made me like
    that, I was created by God that way…

    When her brother refused to dance to a song “I kissed a girl” because the lyrics refer to a girl kissing another girl it made me feel frustrated. In his eyes and in his entire family’s eyes, that’s probably a sin. When people who are born homosexual are fed ideals and brainwashed into thinking that it’s an abomination, some LGBT’s go so far as to kill themselves.

    As soon as I heard him say that, in my eyes, he lost credibility.

    I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again. GOD is absolute perfection, he doesn’t make mistakes. So if what you’re preaching isn’t about “LOVE”, then it’s not about “GOD”.  

  • Josef

    It was interesting and a bit sad at the same time. in my opinion, she spoke about “hell” and people’s sins more than I would have liked.

    I’ve known that I’ve been gay since I was around 4 or 5 years old, which is way
    before puberty.
    I wasn’t subjected to an environment that made me like
    that, I was created by God that way…

    When her brother refused to dance to a song “I kissed a girl” because the lyrics refer to a girl kissing another girl it made me feel frustrated. In his eyes and in his entire family’s eyes, that’s probably a sin. When people who are born homosexual are fed ideals and brainwashed into thinking that it’s an abomination, some LGBT’s go so far as to kill themselves.

    As soon as I heard him say that, in my eyes, he lost credibility.

    I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again. GOD is absolute perfection, he doesn’t make mistakes. So if what you’re preaching isn’t about “LOVE”, then it’s not about “GOD”.  

  • Skye

     This is a form of child abuse.

    • Juice

      Agree!

    • Jennemeg

      How does child abuse figure into this??

  • Skye

     This is a form of child abuse.

  • Shauna

    I used to be like her. I was never homeschooled, I went to public and catholic schools and somehow at the age of 16 it all faded away and I had a lot of things shape who I am today at 23 and what I believe.

    I believe in SOMEthing out there, although I haven’t quite decided what or who that is. Things change with time and being exposed to different things and although I commend her for keeping her faith, I do think it will quite possibly change and become altered.

     

  • Justas

    What is wrong with this girl????? No, no , what is wrong with you? yes YOU! Yeah she’s a little too  stubborn in her views, but aren’t we all at that age. I am sure she will be more open to discuss later in life, but I doubt that her views would change radically. If you are saying she’s wrong that:
       she does not like clubs
       she does not like drinking
       she does not like people dressing inappropriately
       she does not like loud music, britney spears or popular music
     
     ….what are you saying?
    I would really think  before deciding who’s more in need of help , we – conformists or her. She is brave. She’s an insipiration.

  • Illstillglow

    Wow Mrblue, could you be more hateful, more intolerant, more damning? You say that Christianity (odd you chose just this one religion, but whatever, I understand that is the topic of this documentary) is this horrible, controlling, hateful religion. But what are you being? And who are you to determine what is right and wrong in the world? You became antitheist because you didn’t want to be controlled, didn’t want to be told what was wrong and right, but this is exact attitude that you are having towards Christians. You are saying they are wrong. They shouldn’t be allowed to do this, parents should be allowed to do that (which is pretty controlling if you ask me). You are the moral compass of the universe? I don’t understand how you cannot see your utter hypocrisy in your post. You are saying that Christians shouldn’t have the freedom to practice their religion, whether it’s based on the Bible or based on some skewed up version of it. I do hope you believe and think the same about the Islam faith or the Jewish faith. Otherwise you are a clear victim of American post-modernism: everything is right if you feel it’s right… except Christianity.

    Oh. I’d also like to point out that one documentary about an impressionable 13 year old girl does not describe every Christian and every Christian family. You should really learn to be more tolerant of religions and people in general. I haven’t read a more hateful thing in a long time.

    • Klykas

      That’s a fine post Illstillglow!

       Yep it seems that the ultra liberals are liberal towards everything except the conservatives these days. 

    • http://YoungGunArtist.com TheGoodReverendFlash

      RE: Illstillglow

      Honestly the fact that you spent that much time defending your chosen religion helps to make the case in point.

      If you were to do any sort of research on the history of your church, let alone all organized religion you might gain new perspective.

      I would highly recommend reading “Gods of Eden” by William Bramley if you’re so inclined to know any truth about the origins of your so called “Faith”.

      You are a slave, whether you can see the bars or not, your mind has been indentured.

    • Anonymous

      Illstillglow, I’ll like to address your comments in full because a lot of your criticisms
      are quite misleading.

      “And who are you to determine what is right and wrong in the world? ”
      No one does, that’s exactly the point. The best decisions concerning our reality are made with reason and evidence in mind but that’s not the case in such a world rampant with religious insecurity. Although morals are relative, theists do not seem to think so. They impose their religion unto other people and make it their mission to spread such messages and acts of intolerance whenever they may go. They lobby for certain laws and impose restrictions on my freedom just because X line in Y scripture says so. This in itself is immoral and a line that most atheists do not cross. Even Dawkins, a renowned militant atheist, has never in his life, stated that religion should be outrightly banned and extinguished from the face of the Earth. Although this is clearly a reality he would like to see, his acknowledgement of others’ freedoms prevent him from saying so. This is the line, atheists, agnostics and the irreligious do not cross but for religion to exist and maintain it’s influence, they must cross this line over and over again until it’s unrecognizable (it’s already blurred beyond recognition, just look at the world we have today). So while you preach for the sanctity your religion and accuse others for being intolerant, I’ll like to offer the same gesture and ask that you be tolerant of our beliefs as well. 

      “post-modernism”
      Post-Modernism is pretty nihilistic, your definition is quite off to say the least.

      • cs

        themonistary, you make some very good points and are well spoken, thank you.

        What is difficult throughout many of these posts is that we are making very broad generalizations about many different types of groups of people. There are theists who are condemning. There are Christians who are condemning. There are theists who are loving and moral as well as theists who are not. The same is found within every societal group. Unfortunately there are some in all groups that do cross the line of which you speak. What is sad is that the condemning, rude and name calling people are the ones from whom we most often hear. Mrblue was rude but we must not judge all those like him as being rude. There are also many rude Christians from whom we’ve heard. Again, we must not judge all Christians as being the same. Some atheists, agnostics etc are tolerant of the beliefs of others, some are very hostile. The same is true of Christians. My hope is that, no matter what we believe, we will go beyond being tolerant of others and, instead, appreciate and value one another.

        General video comments:
        This young girl may lack tact (yes, and understatement) but I am not sure why people here are upset with her for expressing her opinion and her heart – that is often the basis of conversation and the people at the parties etc had the opportunity to express their opinions as well. They also could have expressed that they did not want to discuss religion with her. Perhaps we need to take responsibility for what we will or will not talk about individually. We do not need to be rude but we can, and should, say that we do not want to talk with someone about something and end the conversation. We have that right, ability and responsibility no matter what we believe. Perhaps, by so doing, we could end some of the animosity that we often perpetuate. Religious people need to accept when someone says they do not want to talk in that area and irreligious people need to do the same. We can all respect one another and let go of the animosity.

  • Illstillglow

    Wow Mrblue, could you be more hateful, more intolerant, more damning? You say that Christianity (odd you chose just this one religion, but whatever, I understand that is the topic of this documentary) is this horrible, controlling, hateful religion. But what are you being? And who are you to determine what is right and wrong in the world? You became antitheist because you didn’t want to be controlled, didn’t want to be told what was wrong and right, but this is exact attitude that you are having towards Christians. You are saying they are wrong. They shouldn’t be allowed to do this, parents should be allowed to do that (which is pretty controlling if you ask me). You are the moral compass of the universe? I don’t understand how you cannot see your utter hypocrisy in your post. You are saying that Christians shouldn’t have the freedom to practice their religion, whether it’s based on the Bible or based on some skewed up version of it. I do hope you believe and think the same about the Islam faith or the Jewish faith. Otherwise you are a clear victim of American post-modernism: everything is right if you feel it’s right… except Christianity.

    Oh. I’d also like to point out that one documentary about an impressionable 13 year old girl does not describe every Christian and every Christian family. You should really learn to be more tolerant of religions and people in general. I haven’t read a more hateful thing in a long time.

  • Esperanza

    Where is the rest of the documentary? I could only watch the first part which is 5:05 minutes.

  • Mescaleros

    ”we where going to have two children then do the lords work, once we had two, we thought lets let god decide how many children we should have lets let him decide when to close the whome”…

    that is evil,

    • Tabb

      What makes this evil?

  • Bah!

    I see them happily pigging out on tortured animal flesh (KFC), from a multinational that is renowned for its appalling treatment of animals. If God did create the earth, then he/she would be fairly annoyed at the way they treat the planet and the animals the reside on it. Oh but wait, thats not in the bible, so it doesnt count…

  • Bah!

    I see them happily pigging out on tortured animal flesh (KFC), from a multinational that is renowned for its appalling treatment of animals. If God did create the earth, then he/she would be fairly annoyed at the way they treat the planet and the animals the reside on it. Oh but wait, thats not in the bible, so it doesnt count…

  • Bah!

    I see them happily pigging out on tortured animal flesh (KFC), from a multinational that is renowned for its appalling treatment of animals. If God did create the earth, then he/she would be fairly annoyed at the way they treat the planet and the animals the reside on it. Oh but wait, thats not in the bible, so it doesnt count…

  • Marian

    Hey, guess what everybody?
    You DON’T KNOW. You CAN’T know. Stop acting like you know exactly what you’re talking about, you don’t. You don’t know whether or not god or gods exist, you don’t know if there’s an afterlife, and whatever else you’ve been internet-yelling about.
    It’s the responsibility of parents to raise their children to be working members of society, yet they have the right to do it how they please. You really just have to let them live their lives and hope they let you live yours. She’s living her life in her way, whether you like it or not, so move on.

  • Cguess5

    I don’t know if anyone has said this, but I give this girl so many ups for being so confident. I would kill for her confidence (not literally, because I would go to hell for eternity as she states), but to be that confident at that young of an age. I wouldn’t ask to be so confident in something so controversial, but damn, that girl has guts! I just feel bad if and when she begins to question her faith.

    • Alex

      Within the first 30 seconds of the documentary she imposes her Christian values on the interviewer.  She is bigoted, ignorant, and a fundamentalist.  Her blind faith in a supernatural omnipotent Caucasian male who lives in the sky is borderline psychotic.  I wouldn’t go so far as to say I’m an antitheist as that wouldn’t be very liberal of me, but secularism and the separation between God(s) and state should not be ignored.

      • Steffen

        Yeah! She could have waited at least 30 minutes to do that.

    • http://twitter.com/maverickjester The Maverick Jester

      She seems self confident because she’s never been exposed to views that differ from her parents. In a way, her confidence is a sign or immaturity. I’d rather my child be a bit humble and respect the beliefs and viewpoints of others. Why would you feel bad if she questions her faith? If she questions and remains a Christian, her faith will be stronger. Asking questions and looking for your own answers is a step toward adulthood

  • Akash269

    fake documentary

  • JDS

    I watched this documentary with mixed feelings, quite honestly. I was raised in a fundamentalist christian household very similar to her’s but maybe not quite as strict. So I understand the mindset completely. She has the simplistic and naive mindset common in Christian fundamentalism. It views the world in a very black and white, good vs evil sense. On the positive side, I did like and do appreciate the close family ties in Christian families. I also can appreciate her boldness and courage with which she shares her convictions. On the negative side, the obsession with hellfire and brimstone was sad to watch and I really dislike the simplistic “Good person test” which characterizes a lot of christian witnessing today and  which was originally invented by Ray Comfort.  Overall I did like the documentary, though. 

  • sgsg

    As much as it’s fun to poke fun at people who take religion to extremes, you have to give the parents a lot of credit to actually teach the children to an actual university level considering some parents now send their children to school without being toilet trained. plus it’s lovely to see how bonded the children are.

  • hdhdhdh

    “I didn’t see and explosion that created this”
    WELL DUH an explosion doesn’t just stay there suspended in time…
    creationists are retarded honestly

  • Aferris_19

    This is so much less extreme than American evangelicals. I am not a christian but I admire this girl’s confidence and ability to discuss her beliefs in a calm manner (even if she may seem closed minded). In comparison to the evangelicals on my college campus she is open-minded and thoughtful.

  • Me

    “Thou shalt not kill” includes animals, friends.

  • Lucia

    I hope the family will be as compassionate as Jesus was when they realize their eldest son is homosexual.

  • Dancingumbrella

    I would like to come back to this family in 20 years and see where Deborah and her siblings are and how they think/feel about Christianity.

  • Chris Fisher

    i feel so, so, so sorry for this girl.

  • Adam

    soooo… when is the brother coming out?

  • Alex

    I think her parents beat her.

  • Alex

    I think her parents beat her.

  • Scott

    When I was a christian I used to pray and talk to god. I’d have conversations with him. It’s kind of funny but I was horribly upset when John Candy died. I remember crying and praying to God saying why did he have to take him off this planet haha! At the time I was a wreck, but when I prayed to god he told me that he was fine and in fact happier in heaven and that everything was going to be ok. In retrospect I realized that this was just me talking to myself. When god spoke, it was me talking to myself in a deeper voice and telling myself the things I wanted to hear. It’s funny to think about now. But it also opened my eyes to the fact that everyone possesses in themselves the power to heal and guide themselves through their own self reflection. YOU are your God and if your god is one that discriminates and hates gays and believes in other forms of intolerance, than that is a reflection of yourself, not gods will, but your own. In conclusion, that little girl is a misinformed cunt and her brother is an intolerant asshole for saying “I’m not going to dance to that song I don’t agree with it”. What doesn’t he agree with? People doing things that have no affect on his life whatsoever? If you don’t agree with the endeavors that someone else participates in then don’t do them. Believe it or not you can ACTUALLY mind your own business! She marveled at the beauty of the world all the while ignoring AIDS, Cancer, Ebola, Poverty, Famine, Rape, Murder and Child Molestation and all the other things her “all loving” god created

    • Dontevenworry

      Awesome. Well said.

    • jimmy

      Very interesting, Scott. I still wonder if that “voice inside” has an origin in something or somewhere beyond me, though. Don’t you?

      • vcx

        If anything, you could probably guess that it’s the non-dominant hemisphere of your brain.

        Bear with me please.  You know that when you are operating a sock puppet, you don’t get that sense of “other” from your puppet.  You know that it is you.

        In a dream, you can hallucinate people and they will appear real.  You may not know what they will say next.  This is only possible because the brain can simulate “other” by its non-dominant side.  Obviously in people who have not undergone brain-splitting surgery, there is still a connection (the corpus callosum etc).But in cases where spirits REEEEALLLY DO seem like “Other”… your brain can do that on it’s own :/

        • Tombear

          And the other way around: People are told that smoking kills you (slowly), drugs destroy you, if you use weapons against others, their weapons may kill you, etc., yet people acts as if those voices telling those things are not real or are not telling the truth. “I know better. I do as I please. The bad consequences will not happen to me.” With eyes closed they fall into the pit they have been warned of.

          And even worse: My wrongdoings can cause unfortunate effects on my grandchildren, because of my ignorance or egotism. Is my grandchild guilty for that? No, but I am.

          And when it happens, my grandchild may blame God for it, though I was the one to blame.

          Man is blind. Man thinks he knows best. Man rarely pauses to think.

    • Robdextrous

      Poverty, Famine, Rape, Murder and Child Molestation?????????    All man made. More than 50% of your argument. Talk about pass the buck……

      Haha … you call someone intolerant in the same sentance as calling a 13 year old girl a C***

      SICK – Have some respect

      • http://twitter.com/w0rmwood w

        They’re all man made, but who created man with the capacity to do those things?

        • Clairey

          God created us but he loves us so much he gave us free will to do good and bad. hence why man do terrible things-they are tempted. what would be the point in god making the world if everyone was always perfect, and had no choice but to love him. imagine if u were married to someone but they had no choice but to love you, wouldnt mean much to you would it?

          • Guest

            What is the point of him making a world in which we aren’t perfect? Why must we suffer? Why not just have the Garden of Eden without the Tree of Knowledge? Wouldn’t you rather live in a world with no poverty, famine, rape, war, loathing hatred? Wasn’t man created in the image of God? Does he not want everyone to love him? Why wouldn’t he just show himself? Or make sure that no other religions or the knowledge of science emerged? He created this world and he has the capacity to do it. We wouldn’t know the difference. And if God can send his people to preach damnation to the unbelievers, why wouldn’t he just prove himself? There are as many questions to yours that could easily disprove your theories. 

          • Tombear

            Sorry, Guest, but I just cannot help repeating and broadening what has already been said in this thread of discussion.

            God made everything perfect, but man destroyed it. Do not blame God for imperfection. God gave man a free will because God wanted man to love him unconditionally. Man blew it. So God put his plan B into action. Plan B is called the Salvation Plan. The purpose is to restore the original conditions.

            If there would not have been any choice but to do right, our love to God would not be voluntary, in a sense. And we would not have understood true love, what it is, and how great a price it is worth.

            God does show himself, and he does it in ways that we can understand. But most people are “blind” and want to put themselves before everything else. Therefore they do not detect what God shows and what God says.

            When God clears out all the mess we have caused, he will have people who choose him despite all, and who love him through all. That love means more to God than all the temporary pain and suffering that we all are experiencing now. And many, many people think the same; they are grateful that despite all the bad things they experience, they still trust God.

            If you want God to reveal himself to you, ask him for it, but do not dictate for God how he should do it. Let him convince you the very best way HE knows how to do it. Be open minded and wait upon his response. You will be overwhelmed.

    • Kjbriski

      All of the above (AIDS, Cancer, Ebola, Poverty, Famine, Rape, Murder and Child Molestation) are a result of The Fall…by-products of Adam’s sin. God don’t create them, MAN did.

      • Chief Kurtz

        Then by allowing them to occur, your god is not omni benevolent, as most Xians claim.  A god who delivers infinite punishment for finite offences, and to the innocent is neither worth respecting nor worshiping.

        • Tombear

          If you raise a child without letting the child at least sometimes suffer the negative consequences of bad behavior or wrong choices, the child will not learn the difference between good and bad.

          God does not need to punish man. Man i quite capable of killing himself if left to himself. But God does not leave man to himself. God communicates with man, just like a good parent would do to a wayward child. If man would listen and heed to God’s message (I am not talking about diluted so called Christendom), man would choose to enter a relation with God and find peace, and see how God resolves the mess we have caused.

          The “God thing” or true Christendom is not about punishment, it is about a relation, trusting someone who knows better and acts accordingly.

          • Chief Kurtz

            Your response if off topic and typical of most apologists who have either an inability to respond directly to a point, or who’d rather talk about what their relationship with their god is.  You can’t or won’t state that you worship god despite of, or because of the suffering he inficts upon the people you allege he loves.

          • Clairey

            God doesnt cause suffering! the devil does.. whilst we are still on earth it will never be perfect. sometimes he lets it happen but there are hundreads of reasons why.

          • Chief Kurtz

            I’ve heard it all now.  The devil causes suffering.  Then you’d have to admit that god is either powerless to prevent it, or not interested in preventing it, still not worthy of your worship.

          • Tombear

            People cause suffering. I cause suffering. You cause suffering. The devil is for sure the originator of evil, but we are good at copying him.

            God is not Santa Claus. But even Santa does not give everything mean kids ask for. You cannot command God to relieve you from suffering, but you can ask. Many of us do not learn anything from life until we suffer the consequences of our own actions, the actions of others, or our collective errors. When evil rules, it is clarifying when you find people with God-given values who follow them. There is a stark contrast. Every person has a choice which group to side with. (This does not mean that one groups gets everything right and the other group gets everything wrong. It is not that simple. But the Bible reveals the issues more clearly. That is one reason why we need it.)

            If God would intervene and remove all suffering, he would have to remove us too, since we most often are the cause of it. Since he loves man he does not remove mankind until everyone knows for sure the difference between good and evil, and on that day he will remove pain, suffering, people who choose bad before good, and the devil. That day is called doomsday. Today there is still time to take a stand.

            God is worthy of worship, because he is smarter than we. He has patience to wait us out.

          • Chief Kurtz

            More claptrap.  If given the choice of allow a child be born with a deformity or fatal disease, regardless of the reason, or not allowing it to happen, I wouldn’t allow it, and neither would you.  According to theists, god does, and the reasons vary, but NONE of them are good enough to excuse it.  That’s why he is not worthy of our praise or respect.  If you do, you worship a vindictive thug.

          • Tombear

            I am not saying there are simple answers to everything. But I do know people born with deformities or fatal diseases, and THEY choose to worship God. They are happy to be alive, as long as life lasts. So who are you to judge if they are allowed to live or not? I am glad I do not need to take those decisions, at least I have not needed to so far. But if I find myself in a situation where I have to take tough decisions, I am glad I have the Bible to follow. God takes the responsibility for what human beings do when they follow his will. He is still in charge, regardless what people say about the outcome. He is responsible and he will follow everything up. He will make it up for those who suffer and pay those who cause suffering accordingly.

            So God is a vindictive thug? How about the people like you and me, who buy and use and dispose of questionable products made by people who work under slave-like conditions, and whose children are born with deformities and/or fatal diseases due to the poisonous effects of those products? For example. We are informed about the effects of the substances in our computers. Are we responsible?
            So, God gave man the freedom to reproduce. We do not always know if we carry genetic defects that will cause our offspring to get sick. And your argument is that God knows, and that makes him more responsible. Yes, I agree. And he says he is taking that responsibility. Regardless of what you think about it. Even though he did not cause the defects. He takes responsibility for OUR problems and mistakes. Meanwhile. My point is that he is doing that temporarily, and one day those who have not regretted and confessed their sins will have to take responsibility for them. This is one of the advantages of having a relation with God: He lifts the burden of guilt from me. He puts that burden on himself. That is another reason to worship him.

          • http://twitter.com/ReIsA74106422 Re Is A

            God Allows the devil to do what he does. :) I love worshipping God. btw

        • http://twitter.com/ReIsA74106422 Re Is A

          SIn is sin, and Jesus died for your sins, if you accept that, you don’t get to live ur afterlife in Hell.

      • Carolridley34

        So one human (Adam) did one little thing (eat an apple for God’s sake – oops, sorry!) and we all have to suffer for ever more? I don’t like your God very much! Come to think of it, wasn’t Jesus supposed to have died for our sins? If that’s so, why are we still suffering? Innocent children starving, dying of cancer etc. Answer me that!

        • Tombear

          How would you sort out all the mess man has created, unless you kill everyone at once? Think about it an then tell me! If you want to see how God deals with it, you have to wait and see.

          By the way, Adam did not eat an apple; it was a fruit, none that you know of.

          God gave man free will and he promised man he would have to take the consequences for what he does. And so it happened.
          BUT, God opened a door to a second chance, despite the circumstances. Some people choose to take that chance, and others ridicule them for doing it, especially because they cannot explain everything, they just trust God and his promises.
          You may wait and see, but you may also do something while waiting. But, be sure, if you do something, others will ridicule you for doing it. That’s life.

          • Guest

            Why can’t God just will away all the hatred and evil? He is powerful enough to create the world, us, Heaven, Hell and all this around us–maybe he can do one more miracle and see how we do living in absolute peace?

            You have a good argument but your first line just bothers me. Why does the solution have to be destroy all the things?

          • Tombear

            Either you have a perfect world where every person CHOOSES to stay perfect (in our fallen condition we do not understand what this means), or you will have an imperfect world which results suffering and pain etc. God cannot stand having suffering and pain, so the present conditions cannot continue forever. Thus what is imperfect must be destroyed, wiped out, and replaced with things perfect. This is what is means to “will away all the hatred and evil”, as you put it.

            One might carelessly say that it is our free will that is the problem. God gave man free will and he will not take it back, he respects our free will, and now we see the consequences of our wrong choices (if we have our eyes and minds open). God gave man free will so that man can respond to God’s love by free choice, i.e. true love. God is not satisfied with fake love. Neither should we be.

            So it is up to us now to take a stand, to make a choice, either to trust God and aim for what is perfect, or to choose what is imperfect and thus inevitably to have our existence eventually ended. If we choose God we choose a relation with him where he takes the responsibility for whatever we have wronged and makes up for it. This is called forgiveness and restoration.

          • http://twitter.com/ReIsA74106422 Re Is A

            B/c the devil is in charge of this world. (wait, who’s satan)

          • doonith

            I thought it was eve who ate the fruit…. written by men hahaha no doubt ;-)

          • Tombear

            Of course, as it is recorded, both Adam and Eve ate it. Eve was fooled by the snake to eat, and Adam ate consciously doing wrong, joining his wife in her destiny.

        • Clairey

          because we live on earth at the moment. Earth isnt heaven. earth has the influence of the devil. hence temptation and all the evil in this world. the time will come when jesus comes again and those who know, love and follow him will be saved from eternal separation from him (ie hell) christians chat on so much because we wouldnt want that to happen to anyone.. :

        • Guest

          * Two humans. Adam and Eve. Don’t usually join in with internet arguments but that was a really annoying omission- or don’t women count?

      • Kirisumasu

        exactly.

      • joelloth

        Purely an excuse by Christians to explain all the bad things in a world created by an omnipotent, ‘perfect’ being. Keep in mind we were supposedly created in God’s images, does our imperfection imply he too is imperfect?

        It infuriates me constantly to see devout Christians look upon everything good that happens in their life as a gift or a sign from God and everything bad that comes their way as some kind of test or similar ridiculous excuse.

        There is no God.

        • trojanrailroad

          “It infuriates me constantly to see devout Christians
          look upon everything good that happens in their life as a gift or a sign from
          God and everything bad that comes their way as some kind of test or similar
          ridiculous excuse.”

          It infuriates me to see people like yourself jump on your high horse and
          castigate people for holding personal views and opinions which in absolutely no
          way affect you. Why do you honestly give a shit, mate?

          It’s the intolerance of both minority religious and minority non-religious
          people (like yourself) that will inevitably turn our world into a shitstorm of
          blind judgement. Why? Because bigoted arse holes will always be bigoted arse holes -
          regardless of who/what they believe in.

          I have literally no idea what I believe in but I certainly don’t care what anyone
          else does. Unless it is going to affect someone who does not want to
          be affected. The fundamental belief in both Religion and Science is based on
          what another man has told you. One seems more plausible for many, due to the fact
          that clever people have thrown their theories at us and we have chosen to
          believe them, regardless of the fact that most of us don’t have the
          intelligence to assimilate the science behind them.

          I hate this almost fashionable hatred of Christianity. The judgmental pricks
          who would quite happily vocalise their belittlement of another persons
          Christian beliefs, yet would shy away from expressing any similar feelings
          towards Islam in case they were perceived to be a racist. Pure
          cowardice.

          In my opinion, by openly declaring such a dogmatic view as anti-religion, you
          are in no way different to the scum who discriminate against people because of
          the colour of their skin.

          I feel that your beliefs should never become your identity, but they should never ever be the subject of humiliation.

  • Scott

    When I was a christian I used to pray and talk to god. I’d have conversations with him. It’s kind of funny but I was horribly upset when John Candy died. I remember crying and praying to God saying why did he have to take him off this planet haha! At the time I was a wreck, but when I prayed to god he told me that he was fine and in fact happier in heaven and that everything was going to be ok. In retrospect I realized that this was just me talking to myself. When god spoke, it was me talking to myself in a deeper voice and telling myself the things I wanted to hear. It’s funny to think about now. But it also opened my eyes to the fact that everyone possesses in themselves the power to heal and guide themselves through their own self reflection. YOU are your God and if your god is one that discriminates and hates gays and believes in other forms of intolerance, than that is a reflection of yourself, not gods will, but your own. In conclusion, that little girl is a misinformed cunt and her brother is an intolerant asshole for saying “I’m not going to dance to that song I don’t agree with it”. What doesn’t he agree with? People doing things that have no affect on his life whatsoever? If you don’t agree with the endeavors that someone else participates in then don’t do them. Believe it or not you can ACTUALLY mind your own business! She marveled at the beauty of the world all the while ignoring AIDS, Cancer, Ebola, Poverty, Famine, Rape, Murder and Child Molestation and all the other things her “all loving” god created

  • Scott

    When I was a christian I used to pray and talk to god. I’d have conversations with him. It’s kind of funny but I was horribly upset when John Candy died. I remember crying and praying to God saying why did he have to take him off this planet haha! At the time I was a wreck, but when I prayed to god he told me that he was fine and in fact happier in heaven and that everything was going to be ok. In retrospect I realized that this was just me talking to myself. When god spoke, it was me talking to myself in a deeper voice and telling myself the things I wanted to hear. It’s funny to think about now. But it also opened my eyes to the fact that everyone possesses in themselves the power to heal and guide themselves through their own self reflection. YOU are your God and if your god is one that discriminates and hates gays and believes in other forms of intolerance, than that is a reflection of yourself, not gods will, but your own. In conclusion, that little girl is a misinformed cunt and her brother is an intolerant asshole for saying “I’m not going to dance to that song I don’t agree with it”. What doesn’t he agree with? People doing things that have no affect on his life whatsoever? If you don’t agree with the endeavors that someone else participates in then don’t do them. Believe it or not you can ACTUALLY mind your own business! She marveled at the beauty of the world all the while ignoring AIDS, Cancer, Ebola, Poverty, Famine, Rape, Murder and Child Molestation and all the other things her “all loving” god created

  • Scott

    When I was a christian I used to pray and talk to god. I’d have conversations with him. It’s kind of funny but I was horribly upset when John Candy died. I remember crying and praying to God saying why did he have to take him off this planet haha! At the time I was a wreck, but when I prayed to god he told me that he was fine and in fact happier in heaven and that everything was going to be ok. In retrospect I realized that this was just me talking to myself. When god spoke, it was me talking to myself in a deeper voice and telling myself the things I wanted to hear. It’s funny to think about now. But it also opened my eyes to the fact that everyone possesses in themselves the power to heal and guide themselves through their own self reflection. YOU are your God and if your god is one that discriminates and hates gays and believes in other forms of intolerance, than that is a reflection of yourself, not gods will, but your own. In conclusion, that little girl is a misinformed cunt and her brother is an intolerant asshole for saying “I’m not going to dance to that song I don’t agree with it”. What doesn’t he agree with? People doing things that have no affect on his life whatsoever? If you don’t agree with the endeavors that someone else participates in then don’t do them. Believe it or not you can ACTUALLY mind your own business! She marveled at the beauty of the world all the while ignoring AIDS, Cancer, Ebola, Poverty, Famine, Rape, Murder and Child Molestation and all the other things her “all loving” god created

  • kotchpatts

    This girl is a vile, precocious, arrogant psychopath. The presence of such maniacs in society is frankly dangerous. Her experience of the world is limited to her home, her family and her bible. Her readiness to stand in moral judgement of others without so much as an ounce of real world experience is sickening. Notice that when she mentioned the subjects she was studying at home that science was not mentioned? Her parents have brainwashed this arrogant little princess. Frankly anybody who can hold such base views about the existence of ‘god’ in the age of science today should be locked in a mental institute. A supreme being that is everywhere, all of the time and exerts infinite power over the universe and yet never reveals itself empirically or explicitly to non believers is a total farce.

    The following arguments fail on their own intrinsic nature:

    1) I don’t need proof I have faith
    2) God does reveal himself all around us in nature
    3) God doesn’t need to reveal himself

    That is to say they all fail because they require the acceptance of an unproved premise expressed within the statement in order to work. They effectively shift the goal posts in the same way that the Ontological argument does in order to make themselves appear infallible when in reality they are false by their own intrinsic logic.

    If you haven’t worked it out yet, Christianity is a cobbled together mess of folklore (watch the Bill Maher film ‘Religulous’ for further clarification on this point) used as propaganda in early civilisation as a tool of control by the church and the state. We now have laws, the legislature and democratic government to achieve this aim – those who still blindly follow a collection of fairy tales of a bearded man in the sky and attempt to push this sick view onto others are deeply dangerous individuals.

    • liz

      “A supreme being that is everywhere, all of the time and exerts infinite power over the universe and yet never reveals itself empirically or explicitly to non believers is a total farce”.

      God revealed himself through the man, Jesus Christ. There are a great many books, both secular, Jewish and Christian which testify to this fact.

      • Lee Machiavelli

        I think you missed the point spectacularly, Liz. In fact, if anything, you give credence to it.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QKJDD244QSO2FFP36G2WWUQMRE Adrian Gheorghe

        ur a a dumb christian end period good bye

      • work of fiction

        Oh if there are books about it, then it must be true….all books are ‘fact’

      • work of fiction

        Oh if there are books about it, then it must be true….all books are ‘fact’

      • Carolridley34

        A great many books? I think you mean the Gospels. And those are individual accounts. Do you believe everything you read? If so I hope you don’t read the Daily Mail. Yes, Jesus existed, that is a fact. Yes he was a prophet, that is a fact. Was he the son of God? That is a matter of OPINION as related in the Gospels.

    • Robdextrous

      Kotchpatts you clearly are the one who is dangerous. People are free to make their own decisions, make their own mistakes and seek what they wish to seek in life without being judged vile or pyschopathic. Notice that science was not mentioned? People like you make me sick because you cant accept the fact – Yes FACT that people have different views, wants and needs and that Science is not infallible. The big bang is a THEORY. Darwinism is a THEORY. You can believe all the empirical evidence (not much) to suggest you came from a monkey and i wouldnt disagree with this in your case. Your view of God as a bearded man in the sky signifies your complete lack of open mindedness shown previously with your caustic comments and faulty arguments.

      Your proof for Christianity being a mish mash of folklore – Bil Maher???

      Ill tell you something about Christianity that is not in any folklore, it has a message of love!
      Infinite love. Something that is hard to grasp for someone who is all head and no heart.

      • Chief Kurtz

        Realize Darwinism is not a theory, Evoloution is.  Disproving both Evolution and the Big Bang does not by default prove the existence of god, gods, or anything else.  

        • Tombear

          So maybe we should call Darwinism a religion? Anyway, it laid the foundation for the Holocaust and other similar “problems”, such as generations without dignity who commit suicide for lack of reason for living … as it teaches us that we came from nothing and have nothing to look forward to.

          If Jesus and God is a lie, it is a much more beautiful lie, though. Numerous people have found hope and joy in this, strong societies have been built on ideas from the Bible. Medical and other sciences prove that Christians lead a better, happier, healthier life than those who have no particular religious affiliation.

          • Chief Kurtz

            Maybe you can call it a religion, I won’t.  My understanding of it is that it does not rely on a supernatural creator, worship of a deity, nor does it possess tenets that those who ascribe to it are commanded to follow under pain of everlasting suffering (which nearly all ignore anyway).  Nor does it state that we are worthless and unworthy of anything, as Christianity takes great pains to remind you of, and which you’d readily admit.   
            Your lack of knowledge on this subject, and the pulled from your ass assertions that it is the foundation of the Holocaust (I’ll assume you mean the one in the 20th Century–not the ones that predate Darwin), that science has proven that Christians (to the exclusion of all other religions I presume) lead better, happier and healthier lives than those who don’t is as astounding as the special pleading you felt compelled to preface it with.

          • zenqi

            “So maybe we should call Darwinism a religion? Anyway, it laid the foundation for the Holocaust and other similar “problems”…”
            If you study the culture that produced Hitler, you will find that several generations of Christian fundamentalism created a situation where the German people participated in willful genocide.

            Read the book “For Your Own Good” by Alice Miller and it may help you understand how an entire nation followed a psychopath and killed millions of their own.

            By the way, there is way too much anger and hatred going on in these posts. It isn’t wise to say things to people on an anonymous website that you wouldn’t say face to face.

      • Chantal

        How can it be a message of love if it scares people with a hell? Love may be embraced outside marriage, in the form of a white lie compliment; in many ways that are considered sinful. Seems more like a message of fear and brainwash to me. 

        Morals CAN and DO exist outside of religion.

        • Jennemeg

          Did someone say morals exist outside religion?? I don’t see that in robdextrous’ comment. Is that what you’re insinuating?

          • Maxie

            Well as an atheist, I live my life as a kind and
            good person (shock horror). I do not believe in the afterlife, so am a good
            person without the promise of a personal reward in ‘heaven’ or the threat of
            punishment in ‘hell’. I see many religions as self-pleasing and utterly
            self-indulgent. Morality is not inherent with religious conviction. I am aware
            that you are probably not intellectually capable of considering this, as  you have demonstrated a restricted and limited
            approach to your thinking.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hugh-Beaumont/100001403673700 Hugh Beaumont

            But you don’t get to decide whether there really is or isn’t a God. You can only decide to believe it or not. God will not appear because I say there’s a God, and if there is a God, He won’t disappear because you say there is not a God. If Jesus Christ did not rise from the dead, then my life is a joke – I’m a pathetic fool. But if He did, what does that make you?

        • Tombear

          My belief is based on the Bible, and I cannot prove with the Bible that there is or will be any hell, such as most people describe it (where people will be tortured for ever). The problem with much so called Christian belief is that the original faith is mixed up with traditions from other sources. If you seek the plain truth you will find it, and it is not bad.

      • Stephan

        Before it is getting out of hands….
        the problem is not to be on one or the other side (personally i would call myself a agnostic).
        The problem is that both sides fighting each other.
        The only thing Deborah said, that i would questioning is what she said in the chat with her brother before visiting him in his “new life”.
        She ask him about the big bang theory.
        At the end of this take she asked how anyone can belief in such an idiotic belief.
        That is the point!!!!!
        If you are a believer, in whatever you want, all other beliefs have to be false. (Yes i would call science also a believe because, although i prefer its point of view, it is still in the hunt for the answer of everything like any other religion yet)
        I would like to see people saying: That is what you belief, an this is mine. As long as we do not harm each other, everybody has its own red line, guiding him or her through this existence and everything is fine…

        In memory of Bill Hicks:
        Let`s put aside our laughable fights and explore our universe…together…for eternity

        • Holydonut

          This problem is to be 110% on one side, that is the christianity side. You have no brains or balls , if you state that the problem is on both sides

        • Jane Doe

          Science is not a belief… it is fact. 
          ” it is still in the hunt for the answer of everything like any other religion”, 

          ummm, no. Science is based on PROOF. Hypotheses are tested again and again to see if is correct. Not just blind belief: well the bible says so….

          Religion was created to control the masses. Common knowledge. “Behave yourself or you will spend eternity in hell”.

          Christianity is not unique, most of the stories and characters are versions of stories that were already old folklore.

          Religion isn’t the hunt for answers, it’s the suppression of ideas and knowledge.

          • Tombear

            True science is based on objective facts. When there are not enough facts to explain something, the scientists like to create hypothesis. Hypothesis should never be called science. When you believe in a hypothesis, you act out of faith. Same goes for atheism. Our beliefs control us. If I do not believe the bridge will hold me, I do not cross.

            Science is defined by philosophy. Philosophy of science limits the scope of science, popularly defined so: “If you cannot repeat it in a laboratory, it has never happened.” The problem is when scientists start talking about what cannot be repeated “in the laboratory”. That is hypothesis. When people believe them you have a new religion. Some may call it materialism. It has caused lots of problems.The Bible has been historically and archaeologically proven to be a reliable source of information. When the Bible is misused or misinterpreted you have religion that you can use for whatever egotistic purposes you want, just like hypothesis.There is an enormous difference between religiosity in general, or call it formal Christendom, on the one hand, and the challenge to be a follower of Jesus Christ on the other hand. Read any of the four Gospels in the New Testament, and you will know.

          • Gearode

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          • Gearode

            comment error: did read bible, did not read wikipedia:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypothesis
            The differenece between religion as explanation for something and science should be pretty clear after reading this.
            No need to thank me for continuing your education, all part of helping my fellow man as a good christian should

            PS. appologies for the doublepost, don’t know what went wrong

          • Duckrace2000

            “When you believe in a hypothesis, you act out of faith.”

            You don’t believe hypotheses, you formulate them then test them and call on other scientists to do the same.
            “The Bible has been historically and archaeologically proven to be a reliable source of information.”I’ll match this assertion for assertion. No, it hasn’t.

          • Grace

            I completely agree. The stories in the Old Testament are mostly based on earlier Sumerian myths (The Epic of Gilgamesh for example) while the New Testament was vwritten 50-100 years after the events it recounts by people who weren’t even present (with the possible exception of John) and had a clear agenda to make the circumstances of Jesus’s birth fit with OT prophecies about the Messiah to give the new religion credibility. There is much evidence for this: the differences in style, language and vocabulary, the numerous contradictions between versions of the same story, countless translation errors, etc. It is quite clearly a fabrication – albeit a mostly harmless one with a mostly positive message. This should be apparent to anyone who has studied it carefully, as I have.

            Science , on the other hand, doesn’t have all the answers, but nor does it claim to. It’s about the quest for knowledge. As Deborah herself says, it only accepts as fact that which can be proven scientifically. It has never said there is no god, only that there is no verifiable evidence for him, and that his existence is unlikely based on what we have learned so far. I think all humans whatever their beliefs can understand and respect that.

            From a personal point of view, I grew up like Deborah , and I feel very sorry for her, because I don’t think it’s right to indoctrinate children into any religion; they need to be allowed to make up their own minds about what they believe in based on their own experiences. As children, they are far too young to do so. From my own experiences I know how harmful it can be to raise a child in fear of hell. Frankly I find the suggestion that one cannot be a good and moral person without the promise of a reward in heaven or the threat of punishment in hell, or without the belief in a supreme being. People should be allowed to believe what they want, as long as it doesn’t harm others. And Ithink Deborah’s parents have undoubtedly harmed her.

          • Grace

            That 3rd last sentence should end ‘…insulting’.

          • http://www.facebook.com/altus.pienaar1 Altus Pienaar

            The problem with science is that sometimes through human error they even get the facts wrong. The biggest problem is that because I can’t run my own experiment every time I want to quote science, I simply have to believe that what I am told as true. So in the end science is based on faith, faith that I got the right information.

          • Smoore763

            Unless you’ve truly explored the bible and have yourself attempted to know your creator, God Almighty Himself, your opinion is not fact based and meaningless. Those who continue to laugh at God will suffer the consequences. Those who follow Christ and know God in this life are already reaping the rewards. Right now. The kingdom is now…in your heart.

        • http://www.facebook.com/faintlymusic Ian

          Wow, you think seriously exactly like I do!  Thank you!

      • Holydonut

        Christianity is a piece of shit, no religion has done so much harm, Its for brainless people to follow theyr “god”, with no worries of responsibility.

      • guest

        Gravitation is a theory as well, but I’m pretty sure you believe in that one. Idiot. A theory is a testable hypothesis that fits the known facts. The very fact that you think evolution demands that you believe we are descended from “monkeys”, tells me all I need to know about your level of education.

        • http://www.facebook.com/faintlymusic Ian

          You are a fucking idiot.  Guess what, Science is my religion and I’m sticking to it.  You want to know the beauty about science?  Usually, scientists admit when they are wrong…which is very UNLIKE Christians!!!  No, when you guys are wrong, you just try to cover it up by re-writing the bible one more time.  People can believe anything they want and I wish Christians would understand that.  I will love anyone who is nice and genuinely a good person, whether they believe in god, satan, some crazy alien race, who just plain don’t give a shit and just live their life to the fullest.

          With that said,  I agree with this core argument, if you believe in a scientific theory, in an essence, you are committing an act of faith.  But I must have a much different look on “faith” as most people… I feel that I can have faith in something without it being connected to God, a religion, or christianity in any way.  Do people not see faith that way?  Is it just me?  For me, faith is just a synonym for hope.  And you can have hope without god being involved.

      • Guest

        All love? Remember the book Deuteronomy? How about verse 7, “When the Lord your God delivers them over to you, you shall conquer them and utterly destroy them.”

        A whole lot of this is Gods love

        • Tombear

          Did you read the rest of Deuteronomy chapter 7? Or did you ignore the question WHY God would be so harsh? If you do not ask the deeper questions, you will never understand God or the Bible. It is not a book for superficial reading, especially not the Old Testament.

          If you know beforehand that your child will be led astray by some new “friends” to heavy, deadly drug abuse, would you do anything to stop it? In this case God had told some four hundred years in advance to Abraham that his descendants, if they stayed in a relation with God, would receive the land of certain peoples. God said to Abraham that the land would not be given “now”, because those people would have four hundred years time to discover God and turn to him. So those people got news that God four hundred years later delivered his people (the descendants of Abraham at this time had multiplied to millions) from slavery in Egypt, he had opened the Reed Sea for them so that they could walk across, and not get killed by the Egyptian army, they had heard that God fed them miraculously for forty years in the desert, and stopped the waters of the river Jordan when they approached Jericho, and the walls of that city fell down “by themselves” at the right moment, plus many other impressive facts. But those peoples refused to take heed to the only true God who could perform all this. They preferred continuing with very base behavior (e.g. sacrificing their children to their idols). God wanted to spare his own people from influence from those other peoples, and because God is God, he also knew that none of those people would in his/her life time turn to him. That is a couple of reasons WHY God gave the instruction you are quoting.

          I regret that my answer is short, and I am afraid it is not too convincing, since every aspect cannot be considered in this limited space. There are however other sources available …

      • Iamaneviltaco

        “darwinism is a theory”…

        So is gravity.

      • http://www.facebook.com/faintlymusic Ian

        Tell me something Robdextrous, if Christianity has a “message of love” then how come there are so many sadistic mass murders who claim to have talked to God.  How come there are so many priests who have ruined poor young boys lives?  With this being said, I do agree with you on one point you said early on in your statement, which is “People are free to make their own decisions.”  I personally know some people who believe in God, and for them, it has got them through some very rough times, like loosing a son or daughter.  So I am happy some people can turn to faith and God rather than doing something horrible to someone else or themselves when they are struggling in life.  HOWEVER, Religion and Christianity are EXACTLY what they claim to be…BELIEFS!!!!  And quite frankly I don’t know why all the damn Christians can’t get it through there closed minded little skulls that not EVERYONE does nor should they believe in GOD.  And do you know why?  Because it’s a BELIEF, not a FACT!  People can believe in anything they want.  I believe that I can be a strong, motivated, happy, and nice person…WITHOUT God.  Sadly, I wish I could say the same for most people who DO believe in God.  The truth is, I have met many many many more people who follow Christianity that are severally messed up and just down right mean people when compared to how many I’ve met that are atheist or agnostic.  Take it however you want, in my life experiences, it’s the truth.  I love science, why do you think I’m on this damn website all the time talking and watching documentaries.  When I found this website, was in real authentic heaven haha

      • Reason

        In a society people are not free to make their own decisions.  I can’t think why Robdextrous should think that we are.  We have laws and rules to restrict us which we must adhere to – unless of course you think that Torture, Rape, Genocide and all the other horrible things that people do is OK as anyone should be allowed to think and act however they want.  Clearly, however, this girl has been given no chance to think for herself at all.  Moreover, the big bang is not a theory nor is Darwinism a theory in the word meaning that Robdextrous wrongly uses it.  a ‘theory’ in science is not a ‘suggestion’ as Robdextrous thinks it is – it means a logically and evidenced proof set open to test.

      • Duckrace2000

        “People are free to make their own decisions”
        She didn’t. She was heavily indoctrinated from the time she could speak. She was told what to believe.

        “Science is not infallible.”

        Science is a method. It seeks to find the truth of the way things are. As such, your sentence here makes no sense.

        ” The big bang is a THEORY. Darwinism is a THEORY.”

        It is very, very clear that you do not know what a theory is. You think you do, but thinking you do and actually knowing are two different things here.

        ” You can believe all the empirical evidence (not much) to suggest you came from a monkey and i wouldnt disagree with this in your case.”Wow. Where to start. So you agree that he, a Homo sapien, evolved from other forms of life, most recently other primate, but you, a Homo sapien, have not? Am I getting that right? Also, that you think there is not much evidence for evolution is just more clear evidence of your ignorance surrounding science. 

        “Your proof for Christianity being a mish mash of folklore – Bil Maher???”

        He did mention Bill Maher, but how do you know his citation of Maher is not just an example if an easily accessible, contemporary work? He could have Joseph Campbell in mind as well.

        “Ill tell you something about Christianity that is not in any folklore, it has a message of love!”

        Chantal covered this quite well. One could also cite many verses from the Bible to dissolve this assertion of yours.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hugh-Beaumont/100001403673700 Hugh Beaumont

          I believe that the codification of the scientific method is attributable to Robert Grosseteste, an English Bishop, and Roger Bacon, a Franciscan Friar. (circa 13th century – when merry old England was all Catholic)

      • Alcoholic7006

         wow.. you retard.. THEORY when related to science is not something you think of overnight when you cannot sleep and had too much coffee. When it comes to scientific theories, it means they are supported by a long time of testing, data and analysis and most importantly a very good peer review before any such thing is even discussed.  Get you facts straight and you head checked. believing in  something which a man written book tells you and take it as a word of god. the book was written by someone who didn’t even saw jesus (if such a person ever existed). the bible was written down by people who heard stories of miracles of jesus by people around them.

        What a f***ing moron.

      • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.smithson1 Benjamin Smithson

        right you both have a jaded view here. The girl is a product of her education , so can not be to blame , nor does it make her views different or open minded. Her chance to make her own mistake’s and choice’s have been stripped away. 

      • ngalto

        Funny how you blame Kotchpatts for being so narrow minded while you yourself seem so angry and quick to judge his point of view. Believe me I don’t agree with his remarks at all! However, your response makes you look just as ignorant as he is. We do all have our own opinions. Opinions are defined as
        a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
        a personal view, attitude, or appraisalAs an individual who talks about a message of infinite love you more than anyone should be a calm example of the goodness of God.Just saying.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Edwards/100000657821309 Michael Edwards

        I am a Christian. But (like CS Lewis) I also accept biological evolution as God’s method for bringing us about. If you bother to study — REALLY study — geology, fossils (such as the varied ecosystems within the Grand Canyon), genetics, and such, you will surely accept evolution. Read “The Language of God” by Francis Collins. And don’t misunderstand — “theory” in science doesn’t mean a “guess” but rather a working system, like, “germ theory”. Yet germs are facts, not some wild guess.

      • http://byroniac.blogspot.com/ Byroniac

        Robdextrous, first of all, the fallibility of science and self-correcting measures to correct that fallibility are built into the scientific method itself. Science is not perfect, granted, but it does one thing that religion can never do, and that is correct itself, and it does this very well. Second, a scientific theory is much different in nature than the common everyday “theory” to which you are referring. And you are right, there is “not much” empirical evidence that we came from monkeys, probably due to the fact we DIDN’T come from monkeys, but from a common ancestor. You need to study Evolution a bit more before you critique it. Last but not least, apparently you do not even have a solid grasp on your own religion, because at its heart Christianity is based on fear, power, and authority, not to mention an extra second helping of guilt. These serve to perpetuate the religion, brainwash new adherents, and offer an artificial, shoddy “cure” for a disease called “sin” it manufactured in the first place. It’s an absolutely brilliant strategy for wrecking the emotional and social lives of untold millions, hindering the progress of the human species, and offering as its greatest attraction the gift of an invisible afterlife reward of which is required absolutely no proof. I would certainly love to sign up for this religion, but I’ve “already done that and all I got was this lousy T-shirt” so no thanks, I’ll pass this time around.

    • Anonymous

      And calling a 13 year old girl who has the confidence and character to believe in something..and act on it..selflessly…makes you less vile and not a psychopath..how?

      At the very least she’s not hurting anyone..

      • Carolridley34

        Yes she is hurting someone, herself. I will admit that I haven’t watched this yet, but any child who is brought up in a ‘deeply Christian household’ has been brainwashed, sorry. When you are a child you look to your parents for guidance on the world. If you are a loving parent you leave questions of faith for their own discovery and simply teach right and wrong. This is why we have so many Islamic fundamentalists, because of this sort of brain washing.

        • DocWatcher

          Conforming to society is a sort of brainwashing as well. When someone has their own opinions that don’t match with the general populace they receive pressure to conform and align their thoughts with others. Whether a person’s beliefs are Christian, Muslim, etc. everyone faces a sort of brainwashing by society through mainstream media (music, tv, movies).

        • Stephaniebriggs

          I would say that I have been brought up in a “deeply Christian household”, and yes, through that I have become a Christian. Clearly there has been influence in that my parents took me to church throughout my childhood, but that does not mean I am brainwashed. I have made my own choice to follow God. Of course loving parents with Christian beliefs are going to want their children to ahve the same beliefs as them because of the Bible’s teaching that faith is the only way to heaven and a loving parent obviously wants the best for their children, clearly heaven is the best option there. Ultimately we all make our own decisions, regardless of what we are told by others, even if we don’t reveal them to others. 

          • zenqi

            “I have made my own choice to follow God.”

            Which god? The god of your parents, as you said.

            If you were born in Iraq, you would likely believe in the god of your parents, a different god.

            If you were born in Utah, you would likely believe in the god of your parents, a different spin on god.

            I think that these examples define Spiritual Abuse, if not Brainwashing.

            I am a recovering victim of spiritual abuse and, over the last fifteen years or so, have come to experience the glorious freedom from the chains of bondage that belief in Christianity held me in. By embracing my own opinions as equally valid as the “Truths” taught to me by others, I can decide on my own what I consider truth. 

            I’m certain that my four older sisters would attest to “loving parents with Christian beliefs” and firmly believing “the Bible’s teaching that faith is the only way to heaven” as you have stated.

            Yet, my four sisters suffer in ways that would be impossible for me to relate here, all due to someone else’s beliefs passed on to them before they had the ability to decide for themselves.

            If that isn’t abuse, what is?

            Read “The Four Agreements” by Don Miguel Ruiz and the first few chapters of “The Middle Passage” by James Hollis to understand better how the beliefs of family, religion, culture and society form and shape our beliefs and give us the lenses through which we see and interpret the world.

      • Bham

        it is not confidence and character, its not even her opinion its whats been brainwashed into her head. she doesnt even have the facts or life experience to form her own opinion and frankly it is so unsettling to me that people like that are allowed to have children! i dont see confidence i see a sad and depressed child that feels doomed and she cant enjoy anything in life bc she knows that this life is merely to get her to the afterlife. this kind of indoctrination will only form a child that will grow up to feel shame and guilt because its been bread in her to believe that if she took a pencil out of her brothers room without telling him then shes in the same catagory as a pedefile thats proposterous and really just sad. shell probably grown up to be a self medicating junky because she wont be able to deal with all the guilt and shame thats been beat into her, and she doesnt care about what people think of her because shes been confined to a house with her family and noone else.

    • DocWatcher

      The idea that someone/thing can judge you is what people find the most alarming and painful to confront. If people live however they please, they should own that decision. People have to take control of their lives and not just throw it to the current trends. If a person decides not to follow the word of God, then they shouldn’t be threatened by another person’s witnessing. Because everyone has their own lives and decides how to live them, why would the beliefs of another person lead them to feel intimidated (“this girl is a vile, precocious, arrogant psychopath”)? I think only makes sense that while people are alive they ask themselves if they are comfortable with the way they live. Everyone should be responsible for their actions and behavior. I think people that don’t feel in control are the ones that fear judgement and if you turn a critical eye on yourself, the assessment of a girl like Deborah is only more data to evaluate your own life by.

      • Clairey

        i think the reason this girl is witnessing is probably because she doesnt feel they know all their options. if people are fully informed and they choose not to follow God its different. if you have a personal relationship with God and know the truth then it is our duty to spread the word so that people have the chance to be saved. i merely think most people dont have the courage to risk putting themself in a situation where they could he hurt/mocked/outcast.

    • Johns
    • Anonymous

      I understand why you could think this girl is mislead, segregated and brainwashed. I also think that her belief in religion is based on the acceptance of an unproved premise. I don’t think I agree with the way she is brought up. But I don’t understand why you think she is vile and a psychopath. I agree that she comes across as smug and arrogant but she is claiming to have found God. She may be wrong, but she wants the people she is preaching to to live better lives. She has a smug way of doing it but she is preaching what she believes in. She is doing what she thinks is best for others. She may be wrong but she is doing what she thinks is right from what she has learned. I agree that religious institutions have been used to control people but she is not trying to do that. She wants people to live good lives. Her way of doing it might not appeal to you, and you might not agree, I’m not sure if I do, but I still don’t understand why you are calling her these names? I’d love to hear your response as you sound like you are well educated. I don’t know much about religion or philosophy but I know that we all lived similar lives to her, there would be a lot less anguish and suffering in the world.

    • Clairey

      God does reveal himself and the reason people believe is because he does this… give it a chance. Do you really think intelligent people believe something they have no proof of. Thats ridiculous, why do you really think christians want to convert people so much? its effort, its difficult and you put yourself in the way of people mocking you. They only do it cause they know the truth, love people so much that they dont want you to end up in a place of eternal separation from God.

      • Ianhulstein

        There is nothing you people consider to be “proof” of God that science cannot explain besides what happened at the very begining.  The jump from Unity to Multiplicity is central to every cultures religious creation myths.  What makes your account in the Bible the one TRUE one?It’s worth noting that the first written accounts of Genesis were not written down until the first milennia BCE, by which time the Jews had been heavily influenced during their years of opression by nearly every other culture in the meditearannean and beyond.  Why do you think the story of Noah and his ark is almost IDENTICAL (including the doves) to the much more ancient tale of Gilgamesh and the flood recorded in Sumerian myth?
        Learn a little about Jewish culture pre Civlized Era, what you call AD, and who and what influenced them during those times and you’ll very quickly come to understand where these tales and stories came from.If you’re not willing to read books on the history of the religion you follow please stop spreading your irrational bullshit, kk thanks :)

        • Tombear

          Science cannot prove what you are claiming here. Science is just guessing. Science assumes that some parts of the Bible were written at the late date you mention, because science can never admit anything supernatural, so the easiest way to explain how prophecies could be literally fulfilled, is to say that the prophecies were written AFTER the event occurred. (The branch of science that deals with this kind of issues is called Higher Bible Criticism.) So when for example among the Dead Sea Scrolls was found a copy of the book of Daniel, they had to adjust the dating of the book to what fits their view of the content, though it was originally dated earlier. Science is good when it sticks to objective facts, but when it becomes subjective, the conclusions are worthless. The problem is that scientists have a difficulty with leaving questions open when they cannot explain, so they come up with hypothesis and twist the objective facts in many cases to fit the hypothesis. There are thousands of artifacts in the museums that are not being displayed to the public, because they do not fit into the commonly ASSUMED hypothesis. Scientists would be embarrassed if posed with questions about them, so they put them away.

          Two main reasons why you can find the flood story in almost every culture, is because it really happened, and because it was an universal flood. Almost all, if not all, fossils that have been found support the universal flood story. This does not make the story in the Bible less credible, to the contrary the other versions of the flood support the credibility of the Bible. There are differences in details between different flood stories, but that is the normal case when people are involved. The same goes for eye witness recounts in courts, and justice does not always have a problem with that.

          It is true that Jewish culture during the last decades before the Christian Era were influenced by e.g. Greek philosophy. At this time the Old Testament was already written (if you follow the internal evidence/claims in the Old Testament), whereas in the Apocryphal books of the intertestamental period you will find influences from the at that time universally culturally prominent Greek beliefs. That is why the Apocrypha were never canonized. The Old Testament in itself is a coherent proof of an untainted religion originating in divine inspiration. If you have a problem with the word ‘proof’ in the previous sentence, just call it ‘scientifically unexplained’ or something. Be humble! Live and let live!

      • guest

        That may be true that the doctrines within the bible tells to treat people with respect and love.One doesnt need a book above all else to tell us that.Common sense tells us not to kill,treat people well and with respect.Why would you intentionally put yourself in the firing line of mockery.Total idiocy.

        • Tombear

          So when people intentionally put themselves in the firing line of mockery because they for example believe in democracy, they are idiots? People in a selfish culture who go out of their own way to help others for altruistic reasons, and are being mocked for that, are they idiots? These are values that you support yourself. So you would not hold on to them if you would get mocked for them?

    • guest

      I pray that God comes into your life and changes your way of thinking – because God changed my life dramatically, and I hope he changes your’s too. If you think that Christianity is folklore, then maybe read the Bible to change that way of thinking. Also read a Case for Christ – then think again

      • Ianhulstein

        Read a history book, then think again.
        I recommend Christianity: The First Three Thousand Years.

        It will paint out to you nicely, using only credible historical fact and juxtopostion of the Bible, the fact that Christianity is absolute fabricated bullshit.
        Anyone with a shred of knowledge on the Bible can show you how full it is of contradictions and stories stolen from other cultures religious myths during their time spent being oppressed by them in the Old Testament.

        Please dump that nasty patronizing attitude of yours; just because we are more intelligent than you and are not interested in praying to some all powerful man in the sky does not mean we need your prayer or sympathy.  You people disgust me.

        • guest

          I am going to ask you a simple question – have you ever actually read the Bible? Be honest – please!

          • http://mycrazydream.net/ mcd

            Yes. Surest path to becoming a non-Christian? Read the Bible. Lovely book. Slaughter of infants; offering one’s own daughter to be your neighbor’s rape-slave; killing your own son to prove you really really love god; two girls getting their dad drunk so they could fuck him (that one was Noah, by the way). I could go on and on. I am not embellishing in the slightest. Every last bit of that trash is in that tome of “morality” people base their lives upon. Anyone who could read all that and claim that it is full of love and will engender goodwill and empathy is either a sociopath, a liar, or extremely stupid.

    • http://www.facebook.com/faintlymusic Ian

      Very, Very, Very, well put.  THANK YOU!!!!!

    • Andrew-charnley

      What creates us is as basic as the argument of the egg or the chicken!  No one individual has ever been able to explain that question.  Until someone comes up with this answer, and I suspect it will never be delivered, then you should keep your crude opinion devised in anger to completely to yourself unless you want the world to know you are biased and a shallow as a frogs pee!

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hugh-Beaumont/100001403673700 Hugh Beaumont

      She’s a very sensible and brave girl. I don’t think she is theologically “on”, though. Nobody is “saved”, exactly – it depends upon your spiritual state. Jesus did die for our sins and atoned to God for them. So God the Father won’t block the way. But Jesus Himself will block our entrance if we don’t live our lives in imitation of Him. This “once saved always saved” thing is wrong. St. Paul said to “work out your salvation with fear and trembling”. And St. James said that faith without good works is dead.

  • Simeonradivoev

    lol. it’s funny because, you can’t just give them hard scientific facts and expect them to abandon their beliefs. The simple thing to do is not tell the children of the Cristian God, see if they find him on their own. The only reasonable thing you can do is to ignore them and let them prey to their god for food, medicine, technology, while the non believers evolve technologically. And if you are afraid  that god may smack you down, based on their prayers, do not worry, there is no statical evidence that that might happen.

  • weather

    I think she’s awesome.

  • Fiona

    I know a lot of the comments here are saying that this girl is hateful, but it sort of seems the opposite to me. I know she has some weird beliefs, but it seems her actions are motivated at the heart by compassion.

    I mean I don’t think she would be very interested in trying to save people from hell if she didn’t care about the people she was talking to. She seems very troubled by the thought that if she doesn’t share her faith terrible thing might happen to them (ie go to Hell). I think she would feel very guilty and blame herself for anything bad that happened if she chose not to share. That’s a lot of responsibility for a 13 year old. I mean it pretty clear from the documentary that she is not sharing the gospel to make people feel bad about themselves, its because she wants to be able to share heaven with as many people as she can. She might work on her delivery though, as in general she seems to just be accomplishing making people feel awkward.

    Also, I’m pretty sure Jesus drank wine…. He was Jewish… Hard to imagine Passover without wine. So I’m a bit unclear on this view of drinking she has…

  • guest13

    Notice how every time she talks about religion she focuses on guilt, self-hatred and fear. You don’t want to raise a child like that. I blame the parents for not teaching her to tolerate and love everyone equally. I think it’s so sad that she can’t open up to anyone or make friends because her only topic of conversation is religion.

  • Jp

    Wow, this girl is gonna feel BAD when she has her first lesbian fantasy.

    • Juice

      HA HA! SO much like!

  • Ragdoll

    I see so many comments below condemning this girl and her parents, I too feel sorry for her, that she hasn’t experienced the world and come to her own beliefs, however, what’s worse, a girl devout in her belief of god or the louts that destroyed London recently? the thugs that walk down the streets in every city in the western world? I know which one I’d prefer.
    I’m not a catholic, in fact if I see something religious on tv I have to change it, but I do think you have to respect peoples beliefs, even when they’re not your own, probably especially if they’re not your own.
    This girl hasn’t been raised in what we would see as the right way, but it’s not the wrong way either, she has respect for all that’s around her, she’s interested in learning and she’s young so she’ll learn more. How she’ll end up only time can tell. I do know that I’d rather have her as a neighbour than some of the scumbags that are living near me now!

  • Ragdoll

    I see so many comments below condemning this girl and her parents, I too feel sorry for her, that she hasn’t experienced the world and come to her own beliefs, however, what’s worse, a girl devout in her belief of god or the louts that destroyed London recently? the thugs that walk down the streets in every city in the western world? I know which one I’d prefer.
    I’m not a catholic, in fact if I see something religious on tv I have to change it, but I do think you have to respect peoples beliefs, even when they’re not your own, probably especially if they’re not your own.
    This girl hasn’t been raised in what we would see as the right way, but it’s not the wrong way either, she has respect for all that’s around her, she’s interested in learning and she’s young so she’ll learn more. How she’ll end up only time can tell. I do know that I’d rather have her as a neighbour than some of the scumbags that are living near me now!

  • Ragdoll

    I see so many comments below condemning this girl and her parents, I too feel sorry for her, that she hasn’t experienced the world and come to her own beliefs, however, what’s worse, a girl devout in her belief of god or the louts that destroyed London recently? the thugs that walk down the streets in every city in the western world? I know which one I’d prefer.
    I’m not a catholic, in fact if I see something religious on tv I have to change it, but I do think you have to respect peoples beliefs, even when they’re not your own, probably especially if they’re not your own.
    This girl hasn’t been raised in what we would see as the right way, but it’s not the wrong way either, she has respect for all that’s around her, she’s interested in learning and she’s young so she’ll learn more. How she’ll end up only time can tell. I do know that I’d rather have her as a neighbour than some of the scumbags that are living near me now!

  • Jamie

    I only feel sorry for her because she’s a Christian and it really isn’t her fault. I agree with her though that it is sad that 13 year olds are having sex at that young age.

  • Jamie

    I only feel sorry for her because she’s a Christian and it really isn’t her fault. I agree with her though that it is sad that 13 year olds are having sex at that young age.

  • Jamie

    I only feel sorry for her because she’s a Christian and it really isn’t her fault. I agree with her though that it is sad that 13 year olds are having sex at that young age.

  • Dontevenworry

    I was open to Christianity. Until I watched this.

    • Robdextrous

      I would suggest reading about all the various religions and their common denominator instead of watching a BBC production where the inteviewer asks a 13 year old if she would like to go a party with her peers and indulge in drink and sex!

  • Bop

    I am glad the full documentary was posted, as I find it fascinating.  There is a serenity to the family. I found it amusing that little boys were perched on high shelves or barns w/o a care in the world. The “big bang” comments just make me sad as didn’t God invent science, too?  I would love if the filmmakers did a follow-up, like the 7-Up series.  Deborah is supremely secure NOW, but what happens at University, where even her (possibly gay) brother admitted he couldn’t help but dance! It is extremely sad that she values her life as just a blip.  That a DEATH CULT is her foundation.  She doesn’t look that happy, but she is serene, if not smug.  I found her brother guileless and charming and wish him a lifetime of happiness when he hits the wall ahead. 

  • pleboron

    Did anyone else feel her brother was only saying he wouldn’t dance to Katy Perry’s “I kissed a girl” because his little sister was there? He probably has tried lots of things since starting Uni and probably wouldn’t have cared ordinarily, but since Deborah was standing there with a look of general disapproval about the whole thing, it looked as if he was sitting it out in an attempt to please her or something. Ha ha. 

  • Anonymous

    Very interesting documentary. Very well filmed and edited. It taught me that creationists are now in Europe where i thought nonsens was very much frown upon. Although I don’t reckon this kind of silly certainty would take up in France. 

  • Angelo

    I am honestly sorry about her and her brainwashed family. I’m glad to be an atheist. 

  • Angelo

    I am honestly sorry about her and her brainwashed family. I’m glad to be an atheist. 

  • Angelo

    I am honestly sorry about her and her brainwashed family. I’m glad to be an atheist. 

  • Sieben Stern

    LOL if you drink and go to hell then why did jeebus turn wine into water?  XD

    At first i was disgusted with her, but now i just feel sad.  what a wasted life.  how can you spend your life judging people instead of doing good things, using your talents, and experiencing the world.

    • Robdextrous

      Like for instance Hillary Clinton?

      • Sieben Stern

        are you sure you replied to the right comment?  i don’t catch you.

        • Fearless

          There are threads here riddled with incoherent replies, and it’s easy to see whose are whose.

          • Sieben Stern

            jeebus brings out the stupid in people, i guess ^^;

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QKJDD244QSO2FFP36G2WWUQMRE Adrian Gheorghe

    if u told here that we are now cable of destroying what god made in 7 days in 2 hours would she worship us??

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QKJDD244QSO2FFP36G2WWUQMRE Adrian Gheorghe

    shes aumish

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QKJDD244QSO2FFP36G2WWUQMRE Adrian Gheorghe

    my spelling sucks fell free to mock

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QKJDD244QSO2FFP36G2WWUQMRE Adrian Gheorghe

    reverse evolution in action 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QKJDD244QSO2FFP36G2WWUQMRE Adrian Gheorghe

    reverse evolution in action 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QKJDD244QSO2FFP36G2WWUQMRE Adrian Gheorghe

    the end sounds like a little kid crying for blankie

    • http://thebibleandthenews.com/ beauregard

      Adrian, making fun of a repenting soul just distances you farther away from God. You must repent of making fun of repentance. Ever think of that?

  • Waz1122

    She is only 13 and there is always HOPE so don’t write her off yet.  Some of the stuff you wore when you were a child is awful in reflection, like my first wedding the moustache and the pale blue suit Oh my gosh.

  • Waz1122

    She is only 13 and there is always HOPE so don’t write her off yet.  Some of the stuff you wore when you were a child is awful in reflection, like my first wedding the moustache and the pale blue suit Oh my gosh.

  • Tara_burke_

    kfc=good food? what is this girl on? eating something that so much cruelty has gone into is a sin in my book..

  • Nic

    As soon as she started asking the reporter if she was had ever stolen anything, ever told a lie and so on I knew she had been watching Ray Comfort’s “The way of the master”. Having watched some of his rubbish myself in an attempt to understand his tremendously misinformed point of view I was not surprised to recognize a whole heap of other justifications for the existence of god throughout  the documentary. This must be how here parents are home schooling her…

  • Nic

    As soon as she started asking the reporter if she was had ever stolen anything, ever told a lie and so on I knew she had been watching Ray Comfort’s “The way of the master”. Having watched some of his rubbish myself in an attempt to understand his tremendously misinformed point of view I was not surprised to recognize a whole heap of other justifications for the existence of god throughout  the documentary. This must be how here parents are home schooling her…

  • http://evolutionguide.blogspot.com/ William

    “Belong to your father till you get married off.”
    Holy Shit.

  • http://evolutionguide.blogspot.com/ William

    “Belong to your father till you get married off.”
    Holy Shit.

  • http://evolutionguide.blogspot.com/ William

    Definitely raised in the tradition of Ray Comfort.

  • http://evolutionguide.blogspot.com/ William

    Definitely raised in the tradition of Ray Comfort.

  • Boolanoola101

    I always enjoy these little peeks into other people’s lives, especially the ones that are so different from mine. What an interesting worldview these parents have given their children! Personally, I think it’s a complete waste and it’s disappointing to see these parents “train,” as they say themselves, their children to think this way. But it’s sure interesting to watch, and it definitely makes me appreciate what I consider to be my more well rounded life. Thanks, Mom and Dad!

  • Boolanoola101

    I always enjoy these little peeks into other people’s lives, especially the ones that are so different from mine. What an interesting worldview these parents have given their children! Personally, I think it’s a complete waste and it’s disappointing to see these parents “train,” as they say themselves, their children to think this way. But it’s sure interesting to watch, and it definitely makes me appreciate what I consider to be my more well rounded life. Thanks, Mom and Dad!

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  • Blackandgolddragon

    those ignorant sons of bitches are you blind, dinosours have been living on the earth for millions and millinos of years ago we have the remains as proof, i have some myself of dino fossils. And yea the earth is really that old. This documantary pissed me the f*ck out.

    • Tombear

      The problem with the fossil record is that it is dated by which layer in the ground that the fossils are found in.

      The problem with dating the ground layers is that the layers are dated by what kind of fossils are found in them.

      Circular reasoning? Exactly.

      So how do they know the age of the layers and the fossils? They do not. The whole thing is hanging / depending on a hypothesis called the evolution tree. Macro evolution has never been scientifically proven, and no-one knows how to find proof for it.
      Furthermore, the so called evolution tree is challenged by a science called DNA-research / genome mapping, because the claimed links between species are not supported the way the evolution tree is built up. Genome mapping forces the branches and twigs on the evolution tree to be cut and moved criss cross all the time. It is a big confusion. If you follow scientific documentation of different findings of genetic research you will know what I mean, things like “the nearest relative to this little mouse is the elephant …” (I cannot give any example right now.)

      So, you may say, carbon 14 shows the age. Does it? If you test the fossil carbon 14 will give numerous, differing results on every specimen, and then the scientists pick the result that fits best with the evolution tree! The other results are called contamination of specimen or something of that kind. One example of this is when they found in a lake in South America living creatures (I think it was snails or something) that according to carbon 14 are thousands of years old or more.When they try to date with carbon 14 archaeological specimen that can be culturally dated they choose among all the results the test result that corresponds best with the known cultural or historical dating.

      I do not trust carbon 14 testing. My logic has questioned it too often.

      Besides there have been found in archaeological excavations in Latin America clay figurines depicting human beings and dinosaurs of different kinds. Man has lived together with dinosaurs. In European and Chinese cultures, for example, the dinosaurs are called dragons. There are artifacts depicting these dragons, and they look like dinosaurs. Apparently the dinosaurs were not extinct until some hundred years ago.

      If people knew about all these things they would not be so sure any more.

      By the way, fossilization is a process that is not commonly repeated in nature.  It takes a rapid covering of the specimen, and lots of heavy pressure, to create a fossil. Something that only happens in huge natural disasters, such as the flood story in the Old Testament. (It starts in Genesis chapter 6, verse 9.)

  • Jackie

    This girl impresses me so much. I am an atheist, and I am extremely liberal. But I truly admire her passion for her religion. A few things I disagree with- the subservience of women expected (that she belongs to her father, then her husband). But truly, she has good morals, and she seems reasonably happy. And that’s really the most important thing. She’s not ridiculously sheltered, she’s seen the world, and while her parents have formed most of her views, likely, she’s been exposed to enough that she has formed her own opinions.

  • Thelastroadrunner

    To kotchpatts,
    Science today (the empirical method) is permenantly confounded by a problem I call “the infinite null hypothesis conundrum.”  In short this means that for an hypothesis to be completely tested ALL null hypotheses must first be checked.  Until ALL null hypotheses can be accounted for an hypothesis can only ever be unreliable, aka – false.  Holy Scriptures (the Tanakh or the Bible) contains a fail safe proof of God’s authorship.  In it God claims that He alone can tell the future and then He proves it.  Throughout the Tanakh there are around 300 prophecies detailing Christ’s first advent including such details as His place of birth, the timing of His birth, the timing of His death, who would be present at His death, details of His illegal trial and other amazing details of His Life.  Maths Professor Dr Peter Stoner has demonstrated that the odds of these predictions having been fulfilled by chance by just any person are trillions & trillions & trillions & trillions to one.  God indeed inspired the writing of the Scriptures through the prophets.  There is no other sacred text belonging to any religion which contains any prophecy.  Neither the Quran, the Book of Mormon, the Vedas, the writings of the Bahai, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Buddhists, Taoist’s, Satanist’s, New Agers, Theosophist’s nor any other religious group can make this claim. 

    If you don’t believe God made you and the whole universe – where do you think it came from? 

    “And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”  Act 2:21

    Jesus Christ is Lord.

    Shalom.

  • http://www.facebook.com/BrunoSweetdog Bruno Sweetdog

    I was soo inspired i composed a song about it!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRxxe0tO61c&feature=autoshare

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Axel-White/1153414791 Axel White

      Your music like a good documentary is a beacon of truth. 

  • Milr1998

    how can you train your child to eternity when you dont even know it exists you arre setting your child up to live and then die exept she isnt living she is ‘serving god’ its ridiculous

    • Tombear

      How can people train their children to chance, when we do not even know if chance exists?

      I prefer to believe in and train my children for something that produces harmonious, loving people, rather than people who have no clear reason for living.

  • Heya

    your saying big bang theory is stupid when you believe that a man made the intire universe

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=749935496 Jeroen Bult

    Gayest older brother everrrrr….

  • J-lo_00b

    I bless you and thank you father for this doner kebab…. pmsl ‘good food’ what happened to living off the land that was created by divine intelligence??

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  • Wolfgod

    the older brother is gay every one can see it
    i don’t see the value of hiding children from reality or brain washing in to a belief.
    letting them see reality and and teach them to question everything. after they question everything then they can come up with there own belief not indoctrinated in a young age

    • wolfgod

      ignore the grammar issues 

    • Tombear

      Children need to be taught thoroughly what is right and what is wrong. This also needs to be modeled by parents and others in the family. The parents and other adults in the family have a grave responsibility to choose solid values for their lives. When the child later moves more freely in society everything will be accepted or discarded by comparing with the basic values induced at home. A child without this firm foundation will probably have a more difficult life, having to test everything to find its own way. The society and its problems reflect what the generations pass to next generation.

      I grew up with partly wrong/bad values. I was fortunate to find better values before I became a teenager and an adult. But my childhood experiences still cause me trouble. As every other person I am divided in that sense. I do both good and bad. I think my children are better off, though. They are adults now, and they have made their own choices to stick to what I have taught and modeled to them.Both I an my children depend on the atoning death of Jesus for our sins. That is where our hope is, just like for Deborah and her family.

  • billybatarded

    isnt this abuse???

  • billybatarded

    isnt pride a deadly sin?

    • Tombear

      All sins are deadly, because they show you are against God. But Jesus died for all sins, so that if you accept him dying in your place, you can receive forgiveness and have a relation with God despite all sins you have confessed.

      If you pride in yourself you have a problem. If you pride in God you are doing fine, for God is God, with everything that includes …

  • billybatarded

    over population , that is so irrespeonsible

  • Julia-barnes

    Sweet Jesus! God help her alright! Poor girl.

  • Steffen

    I think he told Deborah that he wouldn’t dance to that song for self-righteous reasons.
    One of these days he’s going to dance to the song and like it.

    • Tombear

      It is not self-righteous not to want to compromise ones values. It is self-preservation.

  • Pabby

    The big question here is…..who is the girl with the tongue stud who asked them to write on her boobs at the end? I want her email address! ;)

  • Jennemeg

    This is interesting. This girl is full-on but she clearly has her own views (however deeply influenced by her parents). 
    With all the drugs, overt sexuality, sex-everywhere-culture, alcohol, crime etc etc etc etc etc etc etc (the bad stuff is endless) no wonder their parents home school them.
    It’s so good to see a young girl with strong views, uninfluenced by the world. It’s a shame she is portrayed as being niave because of her upbringing and her beliefs… just because she does not follow this sick world and “everyone else”.

    • Carolridley34

      “This is interesting. This girl is full-on but she clearly has her own views (however deeply influenced by her parents). 
      With
      all the drugs, overt sexuality, sex-everywhere-culture, alcohol, crime
      etc etc etc etc etc etc etc (the bad stuff is endless) no wonder their
      parents home school them.
      It’s so good to see a young girl with
      strong views, uninfluenced by the world. It’s a shame she is portrayed
      as being niave because of her upbringing and her beliefs… just because
      she does not follow this sick world and “everyone else”.”

      Every single thing you just said is abhorrent and just plain wrong.

      “This girl is full-on but she clearly has her own views (however deeply influenced by her parents).”

      She is clearly not allowed her own views. Can you imagine what would happen if she ‘strayed from the path’?

      “With
      all the drugs, overt sexuality, sex-everywhere-culture, alcohol, crime
      etc etc etc etc etc etc etc (the bad stuff is endless) no wonder their
      parents home school them”

      Yes, because all non-Christian children turn out to be sex-crazed drug fuelled criminals don’t they?

      “It’s so good to see a young girl with
      strong views, uninfluenced by the world. It’s a shame she is portrayed
      as being niave because of her upbringing and her beliefs… just because
      she does not follow this sick world and “everyone else”.

      So you’d rather her views were influenced by one or two people? Isn’t this why we have such a problem with Islamic fundamentalism? According to you, we, the rest of the world are ‘sick’. Well, I’m not the one going around preaching hate, so I’m not the sick one love.

  • joelloth

    There is no God.

    When I die, I will cease to exist and my body shall rot in the ground.
    But at the very least I recognise this and for exactly that reason I
    embrace life everyday and make the most of the time I have.

    I was very interested to hear Deborah say that if there was to be no
    Heaven or Hell then her entire life would have been a waste, but that
    she obviously didn’t think that was the case.

    It saddens me to think that already at this early age this girl has
    given over her life to a possibility. A possibility that when she dies
    there will be something after. The one thing I know is that I have life
    NOW. I can’t know for sure if there is anything after and I certainly am
    not going to waste my life on a chance.

    In the end, the only person I have to please in this life is myself and
    the people I care about. I am a good person and I have family and
    friends that I love and that love me. I drink, I lie, I swear, I have
    sex out of wedlock, and I am also a good and happy person. Anyone else
    who would argue otherwise needs to get their nose out of other people’s
    lives and get on with their own.

    Also, I find Deborah’s witnessing to be amazingly pretentious and arrogant. Telling good people that they are going to Hell for the most ridiculous reasons such as telling a white lie is just ridiculous. You can see the look in Deborah’s eyes when the girl asks her if she will go to Hell with all the pedophiles and murderers. Deborah hesitates, its as if subconsciously she realises what an outrageous comment it is to make, then she says yes. She is a naive young girl with a sheltered, black and white view of the world. I sincerely hope she learns that the world is not and cannot be either yes or no about everything as she grows up, else she is going to ahve a very hard time in the real world.

    • Tombear

      Her salvation, and mine and yours, does not depend on whether we live perfect lives or not, or if we FEEL good about what we are doing. The only thing that matter is our outlook, whether we humbly confess that we do wrong or not. We do not get to heaven for being good. Not one human being is good enough. We get there because Jesus died for us. If we humbly accept that God offers us the “ticket” we will get there. If we excuse our sins, we are lost.

      Toward the end of the movie Deborah explains that Jesus died for her sins. This is God’s greatest gift to us. If we reject it, we remain lost. If we receive it, we enter a relation with God, and this is all that matters.

  • Duncan Idaho

    How superior

  • Duncan Idaho

    Apparently, this is much more of a novelty in the UK than in the U.S. However, the US version of the fundamentalist  Christian is much  more confrontational.  It’s the same ending, they  grow up and join the real world or retreat into judgment and isolation.

  • PsychNerd

    I found that so hard to watch. She seemed to carry so much negativity with her. All that guilt and perception of being wicked is an awful lot for a child to take on. It is great that she is so confident and sure of herself. But part of growing up is to hear other points of view, question your assumptions, and actively form your opinions from what you learn. Her unyielding view that ‘I am right and you are wrong’ just seemed to come from the ‘training’ her parents gave her. It reminded me of the children with parents who are white supremacists, who go around preaching that other races are inferior and or parents that teach that homosexuality is wrong. It is the same sort of dogmatic judgement without any self-examination. 

    I hope as she sees more of the world, she can learn to empathise with others a little more. Perhaps as she assess her beliefs critically, rather than accepting them solely because they are what she was taught, she can find a balance between being true to her values and accepting other people’s views. 

  • Tysenmorgen

    She was very emotional about Jesus at the very end, that is true commitment to the lord. As Christians practice, you must love the lord even above your parents, but how can you love someone whom you’ve never met as a pose to your mother working 3 jobs to send you to school? Kudos to her.

    Deborah: How can you test the big bang?

    Me: Are you able to build a house, take it a part, put it back together? You are not, and if I gave you 100 years you would figure it out, right? Well that was a house, now imagine how many years it would take to build a “big bang”. Just because it hasn’t been done yet does not make it impossible. The haldron supercollider is working on it. Unlike “Christianity” science does not have all the answers given out, it requires time. Just as the bible was not constructed in a day. Before the new testament if you asked Adam/Eve after they were cast out by God if he’d forgive them, do you suppose they would say yes (and if I remember correctly he didn’t)? As you said, “the bible says, so,” well they didn’t have the bible so how could they no Jesus would come? Furthermore, you believe in your religion and that you shall be saved by believing in God, doesn’t that mean if you’re evil and believe in God you shall go to heaven? What if you never even heard of God such as in the tropics? Are those people going to hell? Is that fair? God put them there to damn them? That cannot be if God is fair.

    Those university students should have asked more pressing questions. She’s practically an ignorant pope they should have at least given her a “thinking” question.

    • Tysenmorgen

      I see some really bad typos, just ignore them….

    • Tombear

      As I understand the Bible people will not be lost due to lack of knowledge. Ignorance is not a moral problem if you cannot do anything about it. But the majority will certainly get lost due to denial of what they do know. So do not blame God for being unfair. You do not know enough to do that. I am sorry if you got your opinion from Christians. We do not all know everything. But if we would stick to what we do know for true, things would be better.

      In the Bible, in Romans chapter two, especially verses 14-16 leave the door open for people who never got all the “good news”. Check for yourself!
      I am hesitant to call Big Bang science, because I cannot see that it has been scientifically proven. So it is a hypothesis, i.e. it takes faith to believe in it. What I do understand is that explosions usually bring disorder. And if I look out in the universe I see order. If I look into a cell I see order. If I look into the chromosome I see order and logic and higher intelligence. Science cannot explain that, but God can.If I look at the creation story in the Bible, I see order, logic, and higher intelligence. I see a match there.

  • JustSayin

    Jesus Christ…

  • Gooner01_56

    Older brother is so so gay dudes. He’s cool though. Is he simply surpressing his christian views due to ‘social acceptibility’ or has started to lose them? I’m pretty sure his uni mates may suspect he’s gay too, especially as they’re open minded.

    • Hectoranderic

      I totally agree with you, Goober01_56. He is clearly a lovely guy. I hope he can find a way to be himself and be proud of who he is.

  • Gem

    Jesus would tell this girl to STFU

  • SINNER

    PMSL, poor bastards at the party, what a downer, they didnt even get a chance to get the cocaine out, imagine the “YOU WILL GO TO HELL” speech they’d get for that!

  • Molosser

    She is intelligent,but heavily indoctrinated by her parents.Her self proclaimed hunger for education,will soon suffocate her irrational belief.
    My bet:
    She will be an atheist by the age of 20.

    • Rawr

      Amen! 

    • TYLER STURGESS

      Ill pray that it happens ;)

    • PhoenixF

      Preach it brother!!!

    • gg

      Noooo Has nothing to do with religion. Better be indoctrinated by parents than mass media.

  • Luckycharm65

    “I are a wicked person”

    This is what homeschooling does, kids. 

  • Anonymous

    @google-e95738b58c3d0cc0a80af6f4dae80fb3:disqus 
    I understand why you could think this girl is mislead, segregated and brainwashed. I also think that her belief in religion is based on the acceptance of an unproved premise. I don’t think I agree with the way she is brought up. But I don’t understand why you think she is vile and a psychopath. I agree that she comes across as smug and arrogant but she is claiming to have found God. She may be wrong, but she wants the people she is preaching to to live better lives. She has a smug way of doing it but she is preaching what she believes in. She is doing what she thinks is best for others. She may be wrong but she is doing what she thinks is right from what she has learned. I agree that religious institutions have been used to control people but she is not trying to do that. She wants people to live good lives. Her way of doing it might not appeal to you, and you might not agree, I’m not sure if I do, but I still don’t understand why you are calling her these names? I’d love to hear your response as you sound like you are well educated. I don’t know much about religion or philosophy but I know that we all lived similar lives to her, there would be a lot less anguish and suffering in the world.  

  • nope

    I guess the mother doesn’t listen to the bit about women not cutting their hair.

  • Leah

    This young lady should be an inspiration to Christians everywhere.  I applaud and admire her strength and her boldness at such a young age.  It’s too bad most of us grow up and dim our lights to be what this world considers “socially acceptable,” open-minded, and “well-adjusted.”  God has and will continue to use this young lady to do great things.

  • Me

    I feel incredibly sorry for this girl.  I just hope that as she gets older she is able to think for herself.

  • Dreamer

    I’ve nothing against religious people but I can’t stand when they think it’s their duty to try and convince everyone to have faith. Go back to your cave and read your bible.

    • Clairey

      if you knew u could save someone from hell, i think u would understand why people do this..

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002855387057 Stas Konstantinov

    GREAT! finally someone who is not brainwashed by lady gaga crap!! or any political new world order shit!

  • Centaur2001

    “Have you heard of victoria Beckham ” how tragic … {I think NOT !!}

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1009814223 Katlynn Williams

    That girl looks familiar. I was on fire for God like that. Then I had my first real experience with science. Hello, Atheism, my trusted friend. If it’s not verifiable through years of study and proof, it’s not worth wasting my time on. She will definitely be an atheist someday. If she ever gets the opportunity to step into an observatory or spend time seeing primate behavior that mimics her own.

    • Chief Kurtz

      Let’s hope she does, or as I say to someone when asked ‘haven’t you read the Bible?’, I reply ‘haven’t you read anything ELSE?’.

    • Tombear

      I used to believe I had evolved from chimpanzees. I used to be an atheist. I had to leave that belief due to the scientific proof of archaeology, proof that supports the credibility of the Bible. Other sciences also pose questions that only the Bible can answer.

      I do not deny scientific data. It is the interpretation of the data that may sometimes be problematic. I have no problem with science as long as it is objective and sticks to its own realm. Science is defined by philosophy; the philosophy of science gives it its limitations. Science should be quiet about what it does not deal with. Science can only make claims about what can be proven, for example by experiment in a laboratory. The problem is that scientists try to explain what science cannot explain. This is called hypothesis. Big Bang and Macro Evolution are two hypothesis that are not proven. I used to believe in them. Now I choose to believe in God and the Bible instead. Biblical Christianity gives a much higher life quality and gives much more satisfaction than a faith based on chance (to believe in unproven hypothesis is faith).
      As a follower of Jesus I do not wholeheartedly condone the simplified approach the girl uses in the movie. I do question her theology on the fate of sinners who do not receive forgiveness, in the sense that I cannot with the Bible support an ever ongoing burning, torturing hell.Life will teach Deborah a more humble approach, but it does not necessarily have to make her an atheist.

    • http://thebibleandthenews.com/ beauregard

      Katlyn, i think if you read ‘Studies in Theology’ by B. B. Warfield, that might help you to come back to where you should be.

  • Itspev

    Brain washed child. I just couldn’t believe it when she said (talking about the big bang) ‘you’d have to need help to believe a theory that stupid’. Erm, & believing in a mythical man who created the world isn’t stupid??? As for everyone who’s ever told a white lie will go to hell along with the murderers & peadophiles – I’m just speechless.

  • twee420

    I agree with that mother, the puppet show aimed at those children.. that was disgraceful. I don’t blame her for being so appalled. Who are these to people to shove their ideologies in other peoples kids faces? 

  • Grimbird

    I don’t see how any woman could believe the Bible’s words are true. It says that wife should be submissive to her husband and other offensive things. Why believe in something that says you are below or less valuable than males. I don’t believe in Christian’s god, and even if he (He? Why not She or It?) showed his face to me, I could not respect and most certainly not worship him.

    • Tombear

      It was not intended to be like that. When God created man and woman, he created them equal. When they fell in sin, things changed. Since man generally is physically stronger than the woman, men took advantage of that to subdue women. At the fall, when God pronounces the coming consequences of the fall into sin, God mentions that this will happen. So do not blame God for what man does.

      It is true that there are other Bible texts from later times in history where submission is recommended, but Paul makes it very clear that both men and women should submit to one another.
      There are situations where a certain behavior is expected in a culture. If you go against that code you can get severe problems. For example if a woman tourist from the West visits a certain Muslim country without covering her hair, she might get into trouble. I do not say that it must be like that, I just say that people have formed their culture in certain ways, and that is why women have to submit in many cases. This was not God’s idea, though. I cannot support that claim with the Bible.

      The reason why the word “he” is used for God in the Bible, is because the Bible was written in a human context. For the same reason in the English language when you speak about the human being in general, you say “man”. In Swedish when you speak about a human being in general, it is a “she”. Maybe this cultural difference explains why Swedish women are in a bit more equal standing than in English speaking countries. However, due to the cultural influence and cultural domination from places like Hollywood, this is slowly reversing in Sweden … I am old enough to see that young women in Sweden today are not behaving like they did when I was young.

      So, Grimbird, do not let your opinion about what the Bible says be defined by “man”. Check it out for yourself, and do not give up until you have found the real truth, and I assure you, you will be satisfied when you arrive at the core. I know this, even though I am a man.

  • Recoveringxtian

    You can tell her parents love and care for their children and want the best for them. They seem to have a happy harmonious family life which will stand her in good stead socially.
    However I fear she will suffer from debilitating self recrimination born of the guilt inducing doctrin of her faith, it will only increase as she grows up. Even if she looses her dogmatic condeming faith, the damage will have been done and will take a lot of work to overcome.
    Speaking from personal experience.

  • amy

    booooooooooooooooring

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Edward-Richtofen/100002131970646 Edward Richtofen

    wtf? Debra needs to be de bugged

  • D.

    It’s too bad that most of the comments on this site are either attacking the parents (and their supposed brainwashing) or Deborah herself. Why not take what this young girl is so passionate about and research it yourself. I think the problem is that most of her attackers are actually afraid there might be some truth in what she says. Why would it bother any one unless they fear it could be true? Why say such hurtful things about a family who loves their children; about a girl who loves God more than her own life! Could it be that there is truth in what she says and the truth makes us uncomfortable?

    • Amanda

      I believe to an extent that she is brainwashed and I am not afraid of what she says. I think she has the right to her opinions and her beliefs but at 13 she should be loving life, not telling everyone they are going to hell. I think it just makes for a not so exciting. I personally tried to find religion and couldn’t find anything to support a book written by man, which the king james bible was not completed until the mid 1500s. I prefer to think that I rule myself, I screw up and it’s my bed to lye in. Plus we all screw up and no one is perfect but if a 6 year old for example lies you should not tell them they will go to hell and be amongst people like Hitler or Dahmer.

      • Amanda

        I can also see that she is very very loved and I envy that because I don’t have parents who care.

      • Tombear

        The King James Bible from 1611 is a translation into English of the Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek original Bible, which was written about 1500 BC to about 90 AD. The King James Bible was far from the first or the last translation of the Bible. The Bible is the most translated and printed book. It is number one on the best seller list every year. You are right that the Bible, just like all other books, is written by human authors.

  • loverofdocs

    Someone needs to tell this little gril she is not wicked, she is a beautiful little girl with the potential to do anything she wants in life. This was well filmed even though I feel the director was a bit pushy with her own views.

  • Anusan Moorthy
  • Anonymous

    Strategic Objective:  Control
    Tactic:  Religion

    And what little girl wouldn’t love all this attention???

  • Amanda

    I think she needs to allow other people to have their own opinions, she is an intelligent girl but seems very brainwashed to an extent. Going to hell for a simple white lie? Seems a bit extreme to me

  • Anusan Moorthy
  • Matt

    To this girl hell is such a real and scary place that her fear governs her every action.

    What her parents have done to her mind is child abuse. It’s sad that her childhood has been destroyed and this couple will continue to ruin the rest of their children’s lives.

  • Fearless

    He who knows not, but knows not that he knows not, is a fool–shun him.
    He who knows not, and knows that he knows not, is simple–teach him.
    He who knows, but knows not that he knows, is asleep–awaken him.
    He who knows, and knows that he knows, is wise–follow him.

  • Culminator

    It is so sad to see these kids indoctrinated to levels that they do not get life at all! They are missing out so much. They are poor lost souls going nowhere! I blame their parents. The father in particular is is a hypocrite. He talks about how he was brought up in a “normal” world and chose this life. Surely his kids deserve the same rights? As a result, the kids live a shallow, hypocritical, life and produce nothing but fear in others. They discriminate and threaten others. Yet, it’s interesting to see them enjoy refrigerators, TV, computers, tactors, running water, cars, electricity, phones, the internet, videos, etc., all technologies built by the others they insult.

    • guest

      I don’t think that you understand Christianity. I became a Christian when I was 18 and I have never looked back. I don’t have the same life as these kids, no, I admit that. Being a Christian doesn’t mean that you can’t enjoy life – in fact it means that you enjoy it more because you see what a wonderful world God has given you. The thing is, computers and tv all provide temptation for Christians and if you don’t want to be tempted, then what is the point of having them. I completely respect this family for doing what they do. I have a different life than them, and I imagine you do to. But their life is a good different – they are loved by the Almighty God on high, who sent his only son to die for this family, mine and your sins. If that’s not good news, for someone you don’t even know to die for you – then i don’t know what will be good news. I hope you begin to see the good news of Christianity for yourself. God bless

  • Zipman2011

    Its amazing that she can approach a group of teens in that situation and preach to them on a level they can understand. I think they respected her an it shows that someone who is determined or believes in something can be effective despute her sheltered upbringing.

  • Mahsakh3

    you belong to your father????!!!!!! until he gives you away to THAT man???!!!

  • Mk

    you belong to your father???!!! until he gives you away to THAT MAN???!!!omg

  • guest

    I have just finished watching the bit when she meets 2 girls in the cafe and I think that as a way of evangalizing its not the best way – of course its important to tell people about hell but the most important thing is that you can be saved from hell if you repent of your sins. That’s the best news you can ever hear – why would anyone not want to be loved more than anyone could imagine by an almighty saviour. Hell is a scary place but the thing is, heaven is there, for those who put their trust in Jesus Christ :)

  • SciBoy3000

    I think the main thing that I have drawn from this documentary and also from the types of people it concerns, is that many of their “theories” concerning the occurrences around us today simply do not stand up to proof of the contrary. I am a physicist studying theoretical Physics at Cambridge University and am therefore fairly well versed in scientific evidence regarding the big bang, evolution , chaos theory etc. The main point I am trying to get across is that this family and many others like them are simply so unwilling to listen any evidence, whether it convinces them or not, that the scientific community cannot take them and their beliefs seriously as a possible explanation.

    • Casstete

      “””fairly well versed in scientific evidence regarding the big bang, evolution , chaos theory etc. “””
      Bullshit , Evolution fails at at least 10 points … there is no evidence for the Big Bang Theory  and chaos theory is pathetic .

      You need to way out the pro’s and con’s and you shall see for yourself . Things evolved from small to big … why where there Mammoth ( initially hundred thousands of years away from man … until they found spears in a Mammoth .. Muppet ).

      To believe in Evolution you need far more faith than to believe in creation .

      A don’t take my word for it watch Walter Veith who was teaching evolution , genetics and zoology for over 10 years with a royal academy of science honors from England .

      You a block head .. theoretical science … you explain cold fusion to me something people like you destroyed by being block heads and now it’s popping up in Isreal , France Russia and all over .

      Explain Mrs Chungs Negative resistor to us …. why a Banana is genetically 60%+ the same as human .. I don’t wanna know about the chimp the fruit and veggies #!!?

      Why the Chinese have proven that every species was here at the moment of the creation of the planet .

      Why they have found  fossilised Hats and Glas Bottles ?

      Why they have found Dinosaurs with cartilage and blood cells few years back ? 

      Drop  out whilst you ahead cause they don’t teach this stuff in Corporations funded University education !

         

      • Guest

        There may not be heavy evidence for the Big Bang Theory itself, but there is a lot of evidence about the universe, the earth and evolution. 

        Things evolved from small to big? Yeah, of course it did, over the course of millions of years. So what if there were mammoths? That is the weakest argument I have ever heard. We all began as microorganisms and all evolved from there. For species to survive, they adapted to surroundings and became diverse. The environment influenced the genes to change so that there are tons of different species! That’s what evolution is. Not to mention cross-breeding between all sorts of animals.
        We have tons and tons and tons of DNA so there is probably a chance that we will share similar DNA with animals and, more importantly, closely related animals. The banana thing is ridiculous. 

        They’ve found fossilized hats and bottles because people were alive many thousands of years ago and they left stuff behind. Not just dinosaurs and animals are fossilized. Think of mummification in Egypt, the destruction of Pompeii–whether intentional or not, things people leave behind will last. Archeology isn’t just limited to dinosaurs.

        They found dinosaurs with blood cells a few years back because DNA extraction has advanced considerably and they are able to extract it from bone. They were lucky enough to find fossils that were in good shape. Cartildge also decays faster than bone. 

        What you fail to realize is that science is diverse and there will be people with false “findings” that muck up people’s views of it. Research a little more. I’m sure not many people will back up us being related to bananas.

      • Mountainbiker

        The Big Bang theory is based on evidence, the evidence provided by Edwin Hubble. The universe shows galaxies and stars expanding further away from one another.  Expansion from a point singularity, a big bang, explains the evidence.  Science will not claim this as the only possible explanation, just as the best explanation we have so far.  Do you have a better explanation?  If you say God made the big bang and can explain everything involved in it, these theories are not open to scientific test. There is nothing to refute.  If you say there wasn’t a Big Bang, how do you explain Hubble’s data?  

        Deborah Drapper makes her arguments based on an eternal reward, commonly known as Pascal’s wager. However, the truth of religious understanding should be evident for living our lives today.  Self fulfilling pleasure will never trump our needs for compassion, community, and the other.  Our freedom of will puts these desires in competition. But we can clearly see that isolated individuals carrying guns for protection is far less viable, fulfilling and productive than a life helping others and working out differences. Hopefully Deborah will ultimately discover the truth of her beliefs.

      • Guest

        Dear SciBoy: pay more attention at school, you keep wandering into biology lectures by mistake…
        Dear Casstete: you present two persuasive arguments. I’m now convinced that some humans share a significantly higher percentage than you indicate. Secondly, the case for involuntary sterilisation is strong.

  • Katty_kins65

    These people are so so deluded, what about just enjoying life? Would God want everyone to enjoy hiss creation? And would he not forgive “sinners” and not send them to hell?

  • Dolina_

    30 min in I could not lisen or reason with this dribble, like wow! how absorbed in the name of God a bible thumper can be. 

  • john

    I can see but 1 problem with this family .

    They believe that there is a hell when the Bible doesn’t claim that there is a Hell .

    I can only interpret this as them reading the Jesuit Bible .. though I may be wrong .

    When you die you “sleep” according to the Bible and those who have followed his laws shall rise when upon Jesus 2nd coming . Whilst evil people will keep sleep 

  • xphoenixinflamesx

    This girl may be an arrogant, overconfident, deprived, misguided, brainwashed, closed-minded, bigoted, pathetic piece of shit, but at least she doesn’t know who Britney Spears is!

  • Siriustat

    the older brother is gay , fact ,,,  the bible is a book of dictatorship ! if god loved us as his children he would want us to choose our own path as all good parents do ,.,  

    why not choose 2 beleave that we our selfs are the gods , the word of god was writin by man and with out man it would not excist ,., do you beleave in lepracuans r the loch ness or even big foot ,.  science and more so quantum pysics has never been closer to religon than it is today ,. i have still never seen proof ov god scientist  
    continue to provide answers for the questions that we ask ,,.,,  wake up 

  • Guest

    It’s so hillariously ironic that her bigger brother’s homosexuality could be spotted from outer space

  • Wiccan Woman

    I became a Pagan at age 16….couldn’t handle all the stuff Christianity was trying to throw at me that I couldn’t prove/see/experience/feel.  I can see the earth and it’s creatures. I can feel spirits and the ancestors.  I can experience all the things nature has to offer (sunsets, snow falls…).  I have never been happier than when I opened my life up to the earth, the goddesses, and the gods.  Don’t get me wrong…I have no pity or anger for people who follow Christianity and that if that is their wish may the goddess bless them.  We just have to let people make up their own minds about religion.  I was saddened when that girl went out to “spread the word” and the kids she was talking to obviously didn’t care one bit.  They were just being polite to her.  As a Pagan we don’t proselytize…I wear my pentacle necklace and if someone asks me about it I tell them simply that I practice Wicca and am a witch.  If they inquire further than I will share my knowledge.  I know for a fact that Pagans and Wiccans in particular are very misunderstood.  There is a lot of misconception about what we do I am trying to EDUCATE not convert.  Religion is a very personal choice.  To each his own.  Blessed Be.

  • Katerilovely

    i’d shoot myself…

  • http://thebibleandthenews.com/ beauregard

    This is the sweetest, truest documentary I have ever seen. I would love to live with this family. What a blessing to get a glimpse into the life of a 13 year old girl who is actually holy, righteous, true, and strong! You comment against her to your own peril! 

  • Anonymous

    Get them early and programme their credulous minds!
    Brainwashing.
    Disgusting!

  • Anonymous

    My comment below seems a bit harsh… she’s basically a really nice and quite clever kid but ….. the effects of the brainwashing are really disturbing.

  • Paul

    One real concern I have is how on earth is a 13 year old allowed in a club? Insane.

  • Jesette

    Best part..
    hands down..
    when she cries n snorts at the end.

    Made this past hour of ignorance well worth it.

  • Claudia

    If you don’t believe or don’t agree with the views or believes of the people in it, then I strongly advice you to stop being offensive. The video has a really clear and simple title for you to deduce what the video is about, SERVANT OF GOD. Simply watch another video that is closer to your believes or that you are going to enjoy more. 
    This girl and her family deserve admiration. Most of the offensive comments here only wished their families were so close and loving as this.

  • antisocial

    I would totally fuck her, come 16

  • cottonshotgun

    SHE DOESN’T UNDERSTAND SCIENCE. EXPLAIN THE THEORIES TO HER, SOMEONE. SAVE HER SOUL FROM THE NEVER ENDING PIT OF IGNORANCE THAT IS THE DISMISSAL OF THEORIES THAT HAPPEN TO GO AGAINST WHAT SHE BELIEVES. 

  • Thalia Amour

    I almost had to turn this off several times because I found it so painful.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/DA7U6R2U6S46WCOYQDQES7CCPM predestyned

    such a breath of fresh air in  world gone mad! this lovely girl will make someone a very good wife one day.

  • Anonymous

    I can’t help but really like Deborah, she’s a great kid.  I am really struck by her confidence, that is not something I see in most children her age.  Although I believe Fundamentalist Christianity to be enslaving to women, she seems sort of empowered.  I think she’ll be okay.

  • Shim

    Not saying it`s a bad thing but that son is clearly gay and in heavy denial!

  • Dbnzee

    What would any 13 year old do at a college bar? That was just a silly place to bring her.

    I thought it was very profound when her brother said “I wish she would dwell less on evil and going to hell, and more on heaven as a reward for being good”

  • Maria

    It doesn’t look like a dysfunctional family at all. They don’t seem unhappy.
    I know what the BBC is trying to do but it won’t work by feeling sorry for young girls for not knowing who Victoria Beckham or Britney Spears were. A poorly done job towards their purpose, I would say.

  • Maria

    I forgot to add, some people might find her unahppy because she is so serious, but she just seems mature; other girls in the UK at that age drink, take drugs and get venerial diseases. Perhaps her life is not the saddest :) .

  • Valentin Vervondel

    Where’s the sequel where the big brother comes out to his family?

  • jay

    these kids will make it.. 

  • Pfire1234

    molester… I mean molosser what the fuck do you know about anything. Who are you to say that her beliefs are irrational. Do you have proof of this statement? I think not. Just like I have no proof that the big bang is real. I’m not saying I accept or deny that theory, but what proof do we have that says that that’s a rational belief either. No proof, there is none. So shut your single-minded douche bag mouth.

    my bet: You’re a lonely douche.

    • Anonymous

      There is no god, that’s just a fact. Religion is a belief that relies on nothing but dogma.
      You cannot compare it to scientific theories such as the Big Bang, which does rely on scientific data. And when new data comes to contradict scientific theories, then the theories evolve.

      And be polite.

    • KooKookaChoo

      you are an angry person. clearly your beliefs don’t involve high standards of conduct, pursuit of knowledge, or class.  

      and do you realize that molosser is a category of large dogs??? so really, “molester”? O_o

  • Ranum

    “became a Christian by mysef”…mhmmm yea right…

  • Oneisha_omg

    i admire her strength and knowledge

  • Danijiji

    Strange that a documentary has been made to make an absolutely normal and sane person, as Deborah is, appear abnormal. Goes on to show how corrupted modern minds have become. Perverts and drunkards are what we call normal people today. Such a shame. 

  • Glowzomed

    Talk about brainwashing…Especially sending the kids to bed each night listening to bible on tape…Just disgusting!

  • Krisverwimp

    also see Jesus Camp its gonna make you jumpy and aggressive and you’ll want to shoot every dogmatic fuck in the head, great docu! :D

  • Krisverwimp

     I saw the ancient Creationism vs Evolution battle going on, and I had to say and show this:

    You are both quite right and quite wrong!

    Now read/see:

    When Earth Nearly Died by Allen & Delair (the docu is on this site I think)
    http://www.amazon.com/When-Earth-Nearly-Died-Compelling/dp/1858600081 

    All Graham Hancock works
    Klaus Dona artifacts presentation
    Michael Tsarion’s – Atlantis, alien visitation and genetic manipulation (book/DVD)
    Jordan Maxwell on the Bible
    William Cooper for finding out why the governments of our world (except for apparently China in this topics case) are lying about our origins and history

    and Alan Watts just to keep your open mind ;)

    watch out for cointelpro!

    Peace, love, united diversity!

  • Alex Holding

    I feel sick

  • Roelsemail

    That’s what im used to… thats what she said…
    If i keep kicking my dad in the balls for 10 years, he will get used to it also!
    Getting used to it, is no argument to do something. Getting used to, is a human reaction to a crappy situation. So she actually confesses shes in a crappy situation.

  • Valiant true

    This is child-abuse…
    You can make a child turn into whatever you want, as a parent.

    I’ve met some ‘inlanders’. Inlanders are people that don’t connect with the rest of the world and I was hanging out with a guy who was absolutly convinced that black people, werent humans… but some kind of animal that looked like humans… I said: Dude… really, they are just humans, they just have a different color and thats almost the only difference. And he just couldn’t believe me… He was laughing and said: And that dog? Is he human too? He really acted as if i just said something completly wrong and he wasnt taking me serious at all. He didnt hate black people… He just didnt believe they were humans. To him, that idea was madness.

    Turns out, The poor blokes parents raised him to believe that. No, TV.. No normal school… so there was no ‘world view’ for him to correct his parents awefull believes.

    This is the same thing. The poor child doesnt stand a chance. Her brain is wired to believe something that isnt true… making her a stranger to the world, drenched and indoctrinated with her parents choices… THIS is CHILD ABUSE. A child need complete freedom of thought to develop in a strong and independent adult. 

    It’s your duty as a parent to take your role very serious. You can raise your son to cheer for the same football-club as you, but you can never put your ideology in them. They have the right to find their own.

  • shesmelting

    That situation at 53:40 looked really staged.

  • Katy_clarke82

    Poor, poor little brainwashed child. xxx Amen x

  • JesusLovesYou

    Jesus Christ is the best thing that has ever happened to me! Jesus teaches us to love unconditionally, to forgive everyone and to not judge anyone. While being a Christian might seem to be only about rules, it’s not like that, once you connect to Jesus in prayer you will learn that Jesus is always present and there for you to serve and guide you with endless love, warmth and protection for you. At that point you realize that Jesus Christ is truly the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIGHT, you can always tap into this incredible power source of light inside of yourself and witness how Jesus arranges all the things for good in your life that you ask for. That’s what God wants. So please open yourself to an amazing miracle that you can become aware of! There are a lot of false stuff going on around you, lots of it these days, but be assured that you can close your eyes and pray and immediately get in contact with the truth, so I ask you to please let him step into your life and let him give you fantastic experiences! Jesus loves you more than is possible to understand and he is preparing the brightest future for you! /Love

  • Kalorus

    I couldn’t help but feel moved by her final words at the end of that.  It shows the depth of her belief, but also the intensity of her enforced guilt.  As a 13 year old girl, she is remarkably eloquent and socially courageous, but her emotional and mental maturity is that of a child, delighting in the black and white morality that she is force-feeding herself.  It’s got to be a comfortable way to live, but asking God to lead you away from all temptation only keeps you a naive child.  It is through facing temptation and overcoming it (when need be) that we grow as people, whether you believe in God or not.  The bubble she’s creating won’t allow that kind of thinking, and in believing that the views she holds are infallible and timeless, she’ll never mature properly.

  • KK

    Ah yes, the age old debate… always great for the comment section. I grew up in a Christian family, and where I was not as extremely evangelical as her or her family I still acted in ways I was taught to believe was right. Looking back on it now it could seem a little like brain washing – but definitely not to are same extent. 
    It does take time to grow in oneself and learn that it is okay to question your own beliefs. At 13, I would personally think she is too young to know do this. She lives in her own world and only knows what she has been taught – which makes complete sense! When she is older and meets more people, has more experiences, and more importantly, when she is forced to listen to other points of view (for example in a uni class – you can’t just interrupt saying you disagree) then she will be able to grow more and may or may not change her views. (She should try attending sociology classes!) The thing is, it doesn’t really seem like faith if that is all you’ve ever known. One should be presented with all of the options – on a level playing field and then be drawn to one or another. That girl, had she been brought up in a devout Buddhist household would, I dare say, be devoutly Buddhist – until she was able to learn anything different. 

    In saying this though, I know the parents are doing it because they love her, and they honestly think it’s right. I can see this with my parents too – because they believe in something so passionately it pains them so to think that their child might not have what they have. I wouldn’t call this abuse. 

    But the thing that gets me the most about this show is the evangelizing. She says she cares about if people go to heaven or not – the ‘what if they get hit by a car’ talk – at one point she said something like ‘God would say to me that I had a chance to share the good news and I didn’t’ – doesn’t this actually make it about her? She didn’t share the good news so she is bad? Isn’t Christianity (though there are many branches) ultimately meant to be about a loving relationship with Christ/God and loving one another? Then why not become friends with people, and care for them, and be there for them and *know* them before condemning them to hell? Sure someone could be hit by a car – but that same person might also not have been there that night and missed the ‘message’ anyway… What about if a toddler died never even understanding the concept of God? Toddlers lie! It is not for that girl or her family to judge and condemn people, (which often puts people off) they should be living examples of good, kind, God-loving people to advertise instead. Which is ultimately far more attractive. Just because someone has had a message impersonally shoved at them does not mean they were introduced to God.

    In my 26 years (the first 23ish of them regularly attending and participating in a Baptist Church – in NZ – so pretty low key!) I have thought I knew truly God – and been baptized, been a terrible, closed-minded ‘forcing God on people person’ like that girl – and then as I grew older, questioned my faith, and God etc – opened my eyes to the world around me – been hurt and rejected greatly by christian people – and finally meet and become friends with many non-christians, who are some of the kindest, nicest people I’ve ever meet – explored other religions and atheism and finally decided that being a genuine, kind person is far more appealing than any one religion – and where I think I do still believe in some form of higher being or beings (Theist) – I feel that the ‘being’ I know cares much more about loving and caring for people,animals and the planet, than rules and sin and all of that jumble. I do actually know some Christians like this too, and I personally think they are the only Christians that are on to it. I have nothing against any belief in the world – as long as there is kindness, selflessness and love. IMHO there is no point arguing on centuries old texts that have been translated many many times (Many Christians don’t even know that there are more books of the bible that were not included – Thomas, Phillip etc), many of these texts are historical and written for that specific time. To me there is no point in arguing about how the world started (albeit an interesting thing to think about) – why can’t we just get on with living? And when we die? Well, who knows… secretly if I had to share eternity only with people like that I may just prefer hell ;-p

    That’s my two (many!) cents! <3

  • Bdr459

    How sad,

  • immanuel90

    What dull, myopic, self-righteous, backward twats. An eternity in their company would be hellish. 

  • Naa44

    Ultimately, you should look beyond the supernatural clauses in religion and realize that it is a credible, if sometimes crude, attempt at a meditation on ethics. Like Buddhism, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, these are all philosophical attempts to improve the human condition and can play a constructive role in society. We must not make the mistake of mixing “mysticism” in religion and try to see it from a pragmatic viewpoint. In this day and age, moral reform is needed and should permeate our lives whether through religious, scientific, artistic or any other source
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  • Honourable Judge Mental

    Whomever is without fault may cast the first stone. The bible is an extremely lengthy way of saying, dont be a f**king judgemental asshole. Some people are so aloof and/or self-absorbed that they need an extraordinary tale of bearded men in the sky to remind them that the world does not spin for them alone and that we should take care of those who share our grand bang journey- duh

    • Sarah Oh

      Hmmmm years of only studying the bible and she’s the most judgmental for one living such a sheltered life

  • Pedobear

    Her bother is gayer than a cucumber. Hope he comes out of the closet without being thrown out of his family though… 

  • Rebecca

    At around 32:42, she asks if, “Since science is defined as testing the same thing over and over and getting the same results, how can you test and observe the Big Bang?” To which her brother replies with saying, “You can’t, it’s just a belief.”

    Okay, am I the only one who thinks that’s the biggest piece of BS that’s come out of their mouths so far? It’s just a “belief”, right? So what is their faith? Religion is defined as a set of beliefs. Excuse me, but I think your argument is invalid.

    I really can’t stand this family, they are close-minded and I feel bad for the children that they don’t have the opportunity to think for themselves.

  • Charli30902

    While I admire this young girls principals and her acceptance of herself, I have to worry about her black and white view of life. I am a committed Christian and it concerns me when I see Christians judging life this way. The bible says be in the world but not of it, its obvious that this family is not living in the real world but ignoring it in favour of their own idealistic bubble.

  • Emily

    This is a breeding ground for mental illness. This girl is going to get so fucked up from being fed this constantly. I’m not saying religioin is a bad thing, but feeding a child like this with constant ill thought of themselves fucks them up.
    This girl can’t even enjoy herself without judging people and forcing her beliefs on others. She’s going to get a real kick in the arse one day.

  • Chad US

    I just hope all the children grow out of the self righteous belief that they are on the front lines of a war for the soles of humanity. Please someone give these children a copy of Siddhartha.

  • Saoirse

    I’m sixteen and I find this so poignant. Her surroundings are so idyllic, and yet she must be terribly lonely. She’s confident, but not around people her own age, people who lie and cheat and steal and whatnot. In my life, and in the lives of my friends, there’s sex and drugs and alcohol, and people instantly dismiss it as evil, without realising that our generation has just grown up quickly, I’m not advocating it at all, but despite the fact I have no religion and all, we’re still safe, we’re happy. But she just seems in arrested development, older and yet younger. She has to know about the world if her christianity or whatever is really a choice. If that life was all she knew, then how could she have choosen it? It’s very upsetting.

  • annie

    i liked when she said “its so loud you cant even talk. the only way you would get to know someone is based on how they look” which is exactly how society these days is :/

    but she was ignorant and i disagree with most of the things she said.

    p.s.
    her brother is gay.

  • Alexanderthegreat

    Does anyone know the name of the violin piece at the end of this doc?

  • St, James

    Poor child, so confused with the world around her. I hope she can see that everything is wonderful, and all that matters in the end is that love once dwelt in her heart and raised the most basic in her to a new height.

  • Thomas

    From this to Brown Sauce.. Nice

  • Patrick

    She is not ready to witness. She is preaching works. Not the bible. She is telling people that christians are good and non christians are bad (sinners). We are all sinners. Saved and unsaved alike. It is accepting christ as your personal saviour that saves you from eternal death (Hell), Not being a “good person”. No one can reach that goal on their own. Once we are saved, we are still imperfect, but we are safe from God’s wrath. “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
    I am a believer (christian), By Gods grace, I have been saved from eternal damnation ( Hell). I am far from perfect, I am a sinner, But I’m free.

    FYI the Bible does not teach you cannot consume alcohol.
    Here is everything you ever wanted to possibly know about alcohol and the Bible:
    http://www.biblestudy.org/basicart/does-bible-permit-drinking-wine-alcohol.html

  • Patrick

    BTW I am by no means a good witness either, I hope the Lord will teach me to become a better withness for Him everyday.

  • Tom

    Wonder what they think of their son being gay?

  • wewrjewr

    very inteligent girl

  • Fishy Adventures In Spelling Inc

    @Chad US: +1 for the funniest quote on the page!
    Saving their soles, eh? Wonderful!

    Perhaps this is not the thyme and plaice for sole-saving?
    It’s almost enough to shake one’s faith in Cod.
    Does it encourages one to Carpe Diem?
    Oppor-tunaty only knocks once, after all.
    I’ve haddock enough of this now – it’s all a bit fishy.
    Salmon save us from bad puns…

  • Sean

    That poor gay brother, he will need some serious therapy. And I feel sorry for the parents of those kids at the puppet show who got dragged under false pretences to what they thought was light entertainment.

  • Christy

    I stand up for Believers-They are my people

    By hating her for her faith, I’d say thats the biggest form of bigotry Ive ever seen. I doubt anyone would be so hateful if she was a Buddhist. She’s a sweet girl. Generally this hatred comes from people who have a bad view of God or just are downright bitter. Christianity is not a buffet-style religion-which is what most people want. Haters prove truth to the words Jesus promised “All men with hate you because of me”- Mark 13:13

    Theres actually bad news for people who reject God and hate/hurt his people-Read the book of Revelations. Good luck still being here!
    Let us believe-we arent hurting you.
    -Peace!

  • Paul

    The one thing that strikes me most about her is that she seems angry. Angry that people have fun, angry that people sin and angry that they might go to hell.

  • Godinn

    @Christy

    You aren’t hurting us?
    How about the Crusades? How about the Inquisition? How about the Salem witch trials? How about blue laws and other such nonsense designed to force normal thinking people to swallow the kill aid you choose to drink? How about if you REALLY believe you are going to heaven you stop wearing your seatbelt? How about not knocking on our doors and stopping us in the street to get us to join your cults? How about you explain to yourself honestly how you can put faith in a being that is obviously masochistic as well as schyzophrenic and genocidal? Why do you think we should believe a talking snake made some woman eat an apple and then as all had to die for it and burn in hell? Your “God ” decides we should all be damned to hell because his first creation was flawed? Are you serious? Then since he is so benevolent he damned billions to hell because he waited all that time to rape a woman and send his son on a suicide mission so the rest of us could choose to go to hell? Wtf are you smoking bitch?

  • JB

    I’m really creeped out by the relationship the older brother and her share. A 20 year old guy holding his 13 year old sister’s hand is just odd.

    I also think he’s as gay as the day is long.

    Kids raised in these families always end up with serious issues, give it 15 years one of those mites will take a gun into the workplace or university.

  • Tom

    What a waste of life, these children have no choice but be religious because of the forced indoctrination from their parents. I’m athiest so I think this whole thing is absolutely ridiculous. However its not the kids fault, its their parents for not allowing their children to make up their own opinions. Everyones entilted to their own opinions, but people should be allowed to form their own, not be forced into religon like this.

  • Laura

    I’m disturbed by this entire documentary. One part in particular stood out to me, when Debbie and the brother were speaking about science and the big bang theory and she dismissed it as stupid. How ignorant, how close minded and absolutely ignorant. She’ll grow up and I hope dearly that she sees how insane this sort of thinking is.

  • Martha

    Shocking. What has the Lord to do with how many children you have? What do you mean by “he gave them to you”? Hypocrite, dissimulative, selfish parents. What a waste of human life and beauty. This makes me extremely sad.

  • Paul Abbots

    The 20 year old son is seriously gay. I feel sorry for him having to live in a forced lie his parents have wrapped around him. I’m not critising their beliefs, just the way he has been led to live.

  • anabella

    It’s really nice the way this family is raising their children, and I am not talking about their beliefs, but spending time with their children, the way they do, it’s crucial for a good upbringing. Yes, the older child, the 20 something man looks gay. But, is that a crime? He looks happy to me. I am catholic, and I do believe in God. I also understand and believe in science. However, isn’t the universe a little bit complicated and marvelous at the same time? When you watch a gorgeous sunset with all the array of colours, or a waterfall, swim in a coral reef, or even looking down in a volcano? Is that scientifically fabricated or spiritually invented by a higher being?
    Anyway, those children are also missing out on what the rest of the world has to offer. But they seem happy with their life and that is what is important.

  • Karen

    I thought this little girl was far too serious and overwhelmed by the pressure of her families beliefs. I agree that the brother seems to be gay (I hope he doesn’t commit suicide). It would be very hard for him to come to terms with his sexuality in the context he’s lived in. I thought the most poignant part of this all (and the saddest) was her apparent smugness for such a young girl (her cynicism) and they way she made her fears into “sins”. I truly hope she can open up a little and let some love in her heart, join the world and just be a person.

  • Koke

    Believe in God and follow his teachings is not bad, you are happier when you follow his teachings. But you cannot force other people to think like you think, people will follow you ny example and for being honest and a good person. You can share the gospel, but not tell them that they are going to hell, we have the choice to follow or not his teachings, that is a gift from him. We need to feel to follow him, not act by fear.
    Also some doctrine presented on this video is way too extreme, it looks like the law that jews had in the old testament, they should follow the law in the new testament, teached by Christ.
    Some things I like from the video like family time and live the life for things that really matter.

  • Kari

    Though Deborah and her family’s beliefs and my own are not aligned, I personally do not see what is so terrible about a young teenager not knowing who Victoria Beckham and Britney Spears are. I praise this, actually. Deborah may be smug, but she is also quite mature and seems to possess a strong ability to think critically. She has a depth that many don’t have until after decades of hardship (if ever, for some). These attributes will help her after she ventures out on her own and starts to modify, if not dismiss, her beliefs and way of thinking. She hopefully will develop a hands-on spirituality rather than the legalistic approach she seems to have right now. But she does have a good heart and a brain. I am rooting for her. I support homeschooling (at least with her family- they seem able to pull it off), and learning the Bible. It’s terrible that people are “against” her family’s ways simply because she doesn’t know who some stupid celebrities are….she’ll learn about evolution later on and realize it doesn’t have to conflict with a relationship with God.

  • Isabella

    *facepalm* what a deluded, cynical young girl … I weep for humanity when I watch people being brought up in this kind of a household. I am not talking about the way in which they are obviously a very close and connected family but the way that the parents are forcing the children into a certain way of thinking and not taching them what the big bang actually is. I have a feeling they looked at the title and made conclusions.
    I do think that there is a serious issue here though. They will never be able to talk bluntly with one another, be-it any number of taboo subjects in a christian household such as sexuality (which i have a feeling holds special significance to the brother).
    I think the lady who was disgusted by the puppet show had it completely right! When I was in year 2-3 my head teacher gave us an assembly on the rapture. It was the most horrifying(and not to mention illegal- but that’s down to my bitch of a head teacher) experience of my life to be told my a state school teacher that i was going to burn in hell for all eternity and probably never see my family again e.c.t.
    I have been a dedicated atheist for most of my life and so had empathy to a point in that i would like to teach more people about science but the difference is i would never be so utterly rude about someone’s believes! I am also a bit of a philosopher so whereas i dont personally belive in god, i do believe that you can’t disprove god so that gives me an open mind (with the exception of people who say that the bible or other holy text told me to kill or told me to hate homosexuals/women – those people are mental -___-) and allows me to be nice … but they were laughing at what i believe in saying that i should ‘get help’ becuase i believe this. But the bottom line is if they were being taught what evolution, natural selection, big bang theory then they wouldn’t laugh and say how ignorant and ‘dirty’ (by the way the ‘dirty’ bit made me laugh so hard!) we -let’s face it in comparison- normal people are they would say ‘well i dont believe it personally but i think it’s a valid point’ instead of ‘those people are so stupid…dinosaurs were in the garden of eden not on the earth were…the…bones were.. found *anotherfacepalm*’. So to sum up- It’s the weird as fuck parents -who need to check out a new thing called a condom- fault (dont judge on content or spelling,punctuation, grammer i’m 14 and it’s quarter to two) xxx Peace out xxx

  • Tanya

    It is so funny how they’re mocking other people for believing in Science yet they believe (one) of the most ludicrous theories ever. They seem quite arrogant this family….first of all I’m a physicist…an astrophysicist to be precise and I used to be brainwashed as a Christian just like this girl…I think she is smart enough to wake up when she’s older and realise it’s all BS.. well i hope she is smart enough to..otherwise she just seems smatter than she actually is. I have studied evidence for the bang and it is all around us…the only possible way the the distribution of matter seems in the patterns of the universe directly observed through telescopes and image mapping can only be front he big bang and inflation theory.

    I think your view on science is incredibly naive, there is so much evidence for evolution and cosmology…quantum mechanics predicts the world so much better than any other advancement in science, yet the same theory definitively says we are all in multiple places at the same time and our reality that we perceive is purely independent tour state of mind. Yet the same theory is used nearly all the electronics and components you use.

    To be honest I think you’e afraid of science, because it completely crushes your whole fantastical world. You will have a much more enjoyable life, it doesn’t have to be drinking beer or partying. Remember the GENERAL public are sheep, they don’t think for themselves either way. They stuff their minds with pop culture and junk. The intelligent people that you find in academia and actually CONTRIBUTING positively to the world, are atheists. My friend spent the summer working on a 3D printer that could possibly lead to one day print organs from stem cell ink to save your father, mother or family members life. What have religious ppl doe for society? Kill millions of people throughout history – i’m talking about Christians just as much as any other religion. You can keep your religion and I will continue to socialise with intelligent people who don’t allow themselves to be brainwashed and be a negative impact on society.

  • Philkel

    So sad to see kids brain washed with fairy stories,its a form of child abuse.

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  • Wendy Back

    Truly a great documentary. Wow, that family are on to something: they have a peace, and love for each other and God which is REAL.
    The girl, Deborah, is genuine. She’s such a delight, honest, mature for her age. and facing reality with confidence.

    A well-prepared documentary: wish everyone could see it. Good Work, and causes one to really think about this life and that which is coming.
    T H A N K S for producing something truly worthwhile.

  • piddlepaddle

    That poor girl is full of so much guilt and worry for no reason. It’s cruel to inflict that upon a child.

  • Tina

    The way this family is bonded is wonderful. But Deborah has an unhealthy obsession with people dying suddenly in car accidents and going to hell, even though they may have just had a great time. Her take on life is a constant worry and fear that she will go to hell no matter what she does. Maybe she would be more content and smile a lot more if she was not brooding over her inevitable downfalls! I worry more about the man her father will choose for her to marry at a young age! These children are polite, beautiful and innocent – the parents seem to forget that when they leave home, they will face a very hard life of reality, perhaps alone because of the way they have been brought up, which could result in a lot of self-pain, depression and mockery. Also, I couldn’t agree more with the mother who was interviewed after the puppet show – what a shock for her and her children!

  • darwind

    Interesting. The brother might be gay. I hope they don’t disown him.

    Dinosaurs existed along side humans? Hmmmm
    I did not know that.

    Flintstones=1 Science & carbon dating=0

    Speaking of Dinosaurs. Heres one that’s not in the bible and it could explain how life keeps springing up in different forms in different time periods on this wacky planet. Endoliths have most likely survived many big bang type events. They could infact be the seeds of life.
    .
    Deep-Biosphere Endoliths – These endoliths have been found in deep, extremely hot (over 100° C) or cold (up to -15° C) rock, miles beneath the ocean floor. In addition, researchers have found evidence for endolithic communities surviving in deep mines, such as a South African gold mine. (more info) Organisms living in these environments not only deal with extreme temperatures, but also intense pressures, total darkness, and anoxic conditions. Like cryptoendoliths, deep biosphere endoliths have stimulated interest in exobiology. Nanobacterial fossils may indicate that endolithic life once existed on other planets.

    God bless Science.

  • Mychael Darklighter

    jesus…
    that poor, poor girl…

  • Mychael Darklighter

    @jb
    i think her relationship w/her brother is sweet, not including the reinforcement of dogma they are perpetually passing back + forth between them.

    i do bet he is gay, tho, yeah. first thing i thought when he came onscreen.
    nothing wrong w/that, of course, unless you happen to believe in a homophobic + sadistic god.

    p.s:– that poor, poor girl… =0(

  • kissing jesus with tounge

    All religions are fake and man made to keep order or to gain money, the only thing that exists is life weather its human or creature on this planet and/or on others ….

    I dont feel sorry for people who believe in this nonsense because at the end of the day when i die i know i wont exist and if deluded idiots who are clearly afraid of dying and the “unknown” want to be so selfish to deem themselves worthy of some fantasy “heaven” then let them….

    Religion has done nothing but kill countless people, rape kids and trick people out of money…..

    But what can you do? its like trying to tell a 4 year old santa is not real

    So i will have to live my life knowing dumb cunts will continue to kill each-other over beliefs …. what a sad state this world is in,

    with a bit of luck we will all be wiped out by an asteroid so new more sensible life can take our place and actually treat this planet with respect rather than extort it for money or power

  • GMON

    Good god.. she’s one giant buzzkiller. And her brother does not like to be touched by women.

    I would love the cameras to be rolling when he came out to his parents lol..

  • Anna

    Yeah, her brother is gay. “I’m not going to dance to this song [I kissed a girl] because I don’t agree with it.” I think he was fishing for a hint of acceptance.

  • Shelley

    What a great family. They have taught their children well. I can’t believe the comments on here.. First of all the girl is only 13 years old. Everything she said is true but the creator of the film tried to make her look clueless. Europe is a very cold, lost place and it is obvious all those kids are lost and trying to fill a void. What the director failed to do is ask clarifying questions and what the 13 year old left out was God’s incredible love for us. He created us in his own image but gave man free will to love and choose. If this girl was in the United States where there are Evangelical Christians she would not be mocked. Europe needs the love of Christ. Christianity is tragically dying out there. If you are not a Christian and wonder about your afterlife, please read The Promise and The Late Great Planet Earth by Hal Lindsey. The Bible is not about judging us for our sins but God loving us in spite of our sins. He sent Christ as a rescue mission for us. John 3 16. Invite him into your life today and read the Bible before you judge this incredible girl who is in the world but not of it.

  • Shelley

    @godinn
    You should read What If Jesus Had Never Been Born? By Dr. James Kennedy. The majority of people in Europe have never been exposed to the Christian Church and don’t have a clue about born again Christians and everything in history that corresponds with the Bible. If you read Late Great Planet Earth, which was written in 1970 and is still relevant, The Promise, What if Jesus had never been born and watch Ben Steins documentary Expelled you might start to change your mind. As for some of the comments on here, Atheists might think they are intellectually superior to your average Christian, but they are really a minority and not respected by the average citizen at least in the US. I’m sure they have contributed a lot but all of our success and knowledge is due to us being created in God’s image and His knowledge and “contributions” are infinite. We will continue to speed ahead with knowledge and technology which is also a sign of Christs return.

  • Sam

    no evidence for big bang.. hmm well try reading a physics book in between the christian propaganda… ‘red shift’… just another intelligent design? this is disturbing

  • cazz

    what utter BULLSHIT. and that mother has the messsed up face ever! stupid parents brainwashing their inferior kids…its like living in solitary….

    utter utter COCK

  • cazz

    oh and that son, the one at uni…hes deffo a back door burglar

  • ajansen

    When that naive girl is 16? you can fuck her brains out. If you wanted that.

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  • ryan

    Very curious to know how this girl’s family would explain Jesus’ first public miracle – turning water into wine at the Wedding at Cana.

  • Shelley

    It sounds like you guys need to watch Expelled by Ben Stein.

  • DO-G-OD

    I find this story to be very sad. Yet this is the same story of the billions of innocent people in the world that are being manipulated and deceived by some kind of sick pathological religious indoctrination .
    At such a young age her family is making her obsessed about religion , jesus ,bible and rules.It’s pathetic!She is missing the wonderful period of her life.
    I can see she is being motivated more by the fear of hell, judgement ,sin, this and that shit rather than (love,devotion,joy ,peace,etc) exactly like most religious people are motivated by. It’s a fear strategy made by ancient cunning evil psychopaths(priests,kings politicians),to exploit the general population, even if there is god then he would never keep his children in fear and threat them to worship him!!
    I feel sorry for her and wish she comes out of that shit soon!

    IT’S TIME TO SAY ENOUGH OF THESE SHIT FUCKING LIES!!!!

  • Melissa

    Its interesting how she talks about the big bang theory,how there is no scientific proof and how you would have to be stupid not to believe in it, when there is no proof of God either. I personally do not see the bible as proof, there are many other stories written by many different people about something simple for example UFO and aliens. True there could be aliens and there could be a God, however stories of UFO sightings written by people we don’t know doesn’t mean that what they saw was a UFO, much in the same sense of stories of seeing God or Jesus. I find hard to understand also how some can believe something like God, which I consider as magical, but not magic its self.Just my view point of it all.

  • Patrick

    as soon as those children leave their heads will explode.

  • Patrick

    I love the bit where she says the reason that they’ve got loads of kids is down to “the lord” and not to do with fact that they have been F***ing like rabbits.

  • Barbara

    I can understand a lot of things but what kind of sick religion and even sicker parents convince a 13 years old girl, so pure she doesn’t even know who fucking Victoria Beckham is, and she doesn’t want to hear about alchocol, drugs and sex, that she is a filthy sinner that’s going to hell unless she thinks about it every second of a day…THAT IS JUST SICK

  • Jack I Am

    This little chick is a big freaking liar. She is sick and twisted. The sooner she realized her brother is gay the sooner he will stop having sex in glory holes.

  • ev

    I am not religious and think this family are far too over the top, but doesn’t anyone else find the most disturbing thing about this documentary is the things that the programme sees as normal things for young children to have/do?
    A television in their bedroom, a mobile phone? Who’s Victoria Beckham? Who gives a fuck!

  • pissed

    good job BBC, while you have muslim immigrants plotting to kill you and your country slowly devolves into Sharia Law (hey London Times trying printing a picture of or telling a joke about Mohammed, That’s Sharia Law, your already there England) you make a big expose about some 13 year old christian whose only threat to “nonbelievers” might be that she offers a few of them a pamphlet about Jesus if you pass her on the street. Have fun burning enlgand.

  • gooch

    isnt it sad that this poor girl who had the opportunity with her brother to go meet new people and see a different side to life could not have a conversation about anything but death, sins and hell..? she is 13 years old…. how is she going to leave home and make a life for herself if she cant even hold a conversation with anyone without putting them down and telling them they are “bad” people and they will be going to hell. A 13 year old with no friends other than her family. it doesnt seem she is even intersested in having friends. what a sad life to live..she needs to focus on the positives of her beliefs and not the negatives. Its ok to be religious but to be that intense at that age will earn her no friends and no respect and ultimately she will have no life on this earth that is fullfilling regaurdless of saying she doesnt care what other people think.
    Her family is beautiful that relationship they have is long gone in this day and age.. but her parents should be jailed for enforcing such strict beliefs upon them, they need to form their own opinions based on their own thoughts and experiences…otherwise they end up narrow-minded like little deborah who then grow up into terroists and cause world wars.

  • MrJoshua

    I love that this little girl is tottally oblivious to Brittany Spears, I would love to figure out a way to shield my little one from all the pornography intrinsic in our society today. That said she was programmed to be an arrogant little shit, but I believe thats Dads fault by not letting her learn true knowledge along side her superstitions and let her make her own choice… problem is her parents probably aren’t capable of teaching her things like scientific method, So by the time she gets into college-which will probably be a religious institution- She will be so brainwashed that she will not be interested in anything that contradicts the bible.

  • MrJoshua

    I can understand their problem with the big bang “theory” But to say that dinosaurs roamed the earth with man in total disreguard for the very grounded science of carbon dating is obsurd.

  • MrJoshua

    these Evangelicals are just like sleezy car salemen, it’s as if they get a free sin for every soul they save…Maybe that explains why thier priests so often get caught corrupting little boys.

  • MrJoshua

    Bill Mahr’s religulous was entertaining but Zeitgeist is a must see for any “so called” Chritian. The history behind this documentary really soed up my lack of belief in the christian jesus, I mean other than the facts that he walked on water and that he was the only blue eyed pale skinned middle easterner, Was that his resume of miracles was just passed down from thousands of years worth of peagan dieties. So if the man jesus every truly existed he was probably just the first centuries encarnation of David Koresh.

  • D Solowiej

    They dont seem bad or weird to me at all, just different. Big deal if kids dont know who Brittany Spears is – I wish I didnt have to know! Most people are afraid of different lifestyles only because they are not strong enough to lean by themselves, its a sheep mentality

  • Mammajammer1

    It’s a shame that this kid comes across as dogmatic and harsh.  I grew up under the tutelage of a devout Christian who placed emphasis on the love and compassion of The Father, Son and Holy Spirit.  I was never turned off or forced to believe anything as my Mum also told me that I was my own person and had to make my own choice as to which path in life to follow.  I have never been a puppet to anything – God, family, friends, work, society, etc.   Any God worth their weight wouldn’t want a bunch of robotic followers expounding the virtues of an a Creator that couldn’t wait to cast you into Hell as soon as you fell off the rails.  My God loves me, guides me and makes this journey through life so much better.  Jesus said himself that he came not to judge but to deliver the “good news”.    

  • Katrina

    Its sad that she believes she is ‘wicked’

  • Steph

    The oldest son is obviously gay!

  • Simon

    Very fake at the beginning.  Couldn’t continue watching…

  • Scooter

    Nice doc and it SHOULD be uplifting but it is not.  What this young girl needs to do is to READ the BIBLE in its’ entirety and learn what was said in the new testament,  To paraphrase: It is not by words or deeds that you are redeemed but only by your FAITH in the Lord Jesus Christ.  Enough said.   I am not a very good christian by most standards,  but I try to be good to my fellow man and pray regularly especially for my Mom and my friend Sonia.  Mostly for myself I ask for good health and a good nights sleep so I can get up and go to work feeling healthy.  If GOD wants more than that from me He should come down here and ask for it.  Personally.   
    So I say to you Miss;  All the (crap) you give to people; drinking; smoking; white or other lies; etc.; will NOT send anyone to HELL if they only do three  simple things: repent truly of their sins and ask Jesus to come into their heart and believe faithfully that He will be there.

  • Fdef

    When The “Mahdi” will come the world will all be belivers!

  • Jay

    What disturbs me the most is how low her religiousness is making her feel. We all want the best for our kids, we want them to be happy, we want them to succeed and to feel good about themselves. This girl, though, believes she is a thieving, blasphemous, wretched individual, that’s just sad. I would never tell such things to my kid.

  • Dudguy

    the brother talking about party’s and girls…”oh she tried to touch me..she was all covered in mud..” “i was like get away”. 

  • pragmatism

    claerly all the christian bashers are out in force in this film …

    • pragmatism

      sorry are commenting on this film

  • Guest

    I think its an absolute disgrace how a family is allowed to instill so much fear into a child through religion. The girl is clearly traumatised by the idea of hell, and as a result her life is basically ruined. She will never go out and experience so many things, and feels bad and scared for other people thinking they will go to hell too. I think her parents should be ashamed of themselves, the girl is clearly intelligent and could have had a lot of potential to live her life to the fullest. Instead shes stuck at home with no friends and no experiences where is the joy in that? Taking her to a nightclub wasnt really a great idea, nightclubs are not really nice places sober especially to a young child so of course she is going to think she prefers her regular life to that. They should have taken her out with people her own age to do age appropriate activities. I think the saddest part about this whole documentary is the part where she says that life is only a short distance between the time you born and the time you die, and focusing on ‘eternity.’ Life is precious, you only get one.

    • Tycus Greene

      What everyone seems to be missing, is the bible already predicted all this. It is written that most people will be puppets of satan during the last days. Most peoples reactions on this board just affirm this.

  • Harri Buquet

    Truly inspiring story in today’s chaotic and troublesome world.
    Very intelligent young lady, not heavily indoctrinated by her parents.
    Quite the opposite, in my opinion.
    Reading all the negative commenting is just another confirmation of the apathy of today’s youth.
    Fantastic, well directed program.

    • Maxie

       Atheism is not apathy.

  • NOTARELIGOUSPYCOPATH

    i find it truly disgusting that in this day and age blatant child abuse such as this goes unquestioned, religion should be a personal thing and NEVER!pushed or imposed on a person in any shape or form i think people like that should be put against a wall and have a fucking bullet to the head, religions for dumb fucks who cant think for themselves i.e. people who lived 2000 years ago nevermind the fact theres no solid evidence or proof,its not enough to just say thats not true dinosaurs lived with adam an eve,away tae fuck ye fucking belters again should be shot,total brainwashed beggars belief its allowed to go on,just slowing down mankinds progress sooner no religion the better,haha got the cheek to say big bang theorys stupid,evidence try the fact its still going on around us in space fucking dafty wee whoarebag hope they all get fucking aids ….theres your fucking science mental bastards!!! 

  • Jwsyt2

    God HATES “religion” & reliosity. It makes him puke! Religion is a man made invention. God does Not want us involved in religion. He wants each of us involved in a personal dynamic intimate relationship with him. This is all very clearly stated in God’s Love letter to each of us-the Bible. 

    • Chief Kurtz

      I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings I
      will drive them out of mine house, I will love them no more … yet will
      I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb. — Hosea 9:15-16

      And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out
      before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them. — Leviticus 20:23

      I will … cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you. — Leviticus 26:30

      And when the LORD saw it, he abhorred them … for they are … children in whom is no faith. — Deuteronomy 32:19-20

      The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity. — Psalm 5:5

      The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth. — Psalm 11:5

      These six things doth the LORD hate … A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren. — Proverbs 6:16, 19

      I hated Esau. — Malachi 1:3, Romans 9:13Oh, let’s not forget the flood.  He killed, oh……everyone.

       

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Edwards/100000657821309 Michael Edwards

        You sound beautiful. Have you never read the Sermon on the Mount? You know…bless those who curse you…do good to them that hate you…love your enemies?

        • chiefkurtz

          Just pointing out the Bible is chock full of hate, from god onto others, contrary to what the person to whom I responded stated.  Hey, I didn’t write this stuff.

    • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.smithson1 Benjamin Smithson

      ‘god’ i hope that was meant to be a joke

    • Reppin2

      LOve what you have to say….

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hugh-Beaumont/100001403673700 Hugh Beaumont

      Not true. Jesus established a Church, and He appointed leaders who were authorized to appoint other leaders when those original ones died. He promised that the Church would be guided by the Holy Spirit (the Helper, or Paraclete) and that the gates of hell would not prevail against it. 2,000 years ago – the Church is still here – the oldest institution on earth. The Bible was compiled by the Catholic Church and canonized at the Council of Carthage in the 4th century. There were dozens and dozens of books (epistles, gospels, etc.) that didn’t “make it”. Do a little reading.

    • http://byroniac.blogspot.com/ Byroniac

      Hmmmm…. so God hates religion and religiosity, which are man-made inventions, and doesn’t want us involved with them, but he does want us involved in a personal dynamic intimate relationship with his perpetually invisible self, and this is all clearly stated in “God’s love letter” (-choke!- really?!?) to each us-the religious document known as the Bible. Love it. Christianity IS a religion, and it is simply one of many, and it is just as false as all other religions. Man needs to leave religion and superstition behind and embrace reason and science, for the survival of our species.

  • Jwsyt2

    The documentary makers represent today’s official Western RELIGION – a brew of humanism, atheism, moral relativity (& depravity) and political correctness which is intolerant of and very hostile to Christ and his message. 

    That is why, as is the usual ploy, The person they carefully chose to represent Christ is not well equipped to present his message. No one has ever kept the 10 commandments. They are impossible for us to keep, even for 20 minutes. They are not a solution. They are a diagnosis- they show us that we cannot set our lives right by ourselves, without our LOVING creator and redeemer Christ. (He is the only one who ever kept the 10 commandments). So we are “good” or “bad” people in relation to whom? We consider ourselves “good” in relation to other people such as murderers or thieves. That is not the issue. Are we good in relation to God/Jesus? Of course not, no one is or ever was. We can never be good in relation to our good God/ Christ by our own good deeds. That is why NO ONE WILL EVER GET TO HEAVEN BY BEING A “GOOD” PERSON. Most people naively believe this myth. The greatest saint of all history could not get into heaven by his own “goodness.” We enter God’s kingdom, now, in a moment, simply by receiving the goodness of Christ into ourselves. Now it is HIS goodness in us that allows us to be good before a good God. And we are then judged innocent of all wrongdoing by our loving God. We are forgiven, approved of loved by our loving God/Jesus. Imagine coming before a judge to be condemned for not paying a debt, that you could never pay yourself. Someone comes before the judge and pays your debt for you. All judgement and condemnation fall away from you. Jesus has paid all our debts takes all our blame upon himself and puts His righteousness goodness and power into us.Christ/God forgives us our faults immediately when we ask him to and he takes away their consequence from our lives. Immediately and just for the asking. he is eagerly waiting to do so for you personally at this very moment.The young girl Deborah has a strong focus on hell at this moment of her life rather than on the overwhelming LOVE of Christ. God (Yahweh/Christ) wants no one to go to hell. God wants not one single person to go there! Yet he does not force us to come to him, into the fulfillment we all seek and that only Christ and no one else offers (and that we can never gain for ourselves). He gives us the freedom to choose  to walk with him or independently of him. Evil never gives us a choice- it forces its way into our lives constantly without asking our permission. Jesus is different, he asks our permission to come into our lives and fulfill our deepest hopes. Why does he ask? Because he will never override our freedom. Evil overides it and wants us in bondage. Jesus wants us FREE in all things. The adult documentary makers are dishonest, highly biased and hit below the belt, exploiting this young but very brave girl who has great character to stand up for the truth in the face of their overwhelming intolerance.What is the “fun” of drunkenness, drugs, teen age sex, promiscuity,etc leading to emotional trauma,sickness, often the tragedy of abortion, future divorce, broken families, financial lack, low self esteem, often even premature death etc. These things are passed on from generation to generation ruining lives. Yet the documentary makers clearly indicate that this way of life is fun and fulfilling! It is not. It is misery. It is missing out on the potentials of life. Christ does not forbid having fun or a fulfilled life. It is the opposite. You will never have real fun until you know him personally. Most people when they hear the name “Jesus” think of religion. He is not a God of “religion” or “religiosity” and does not want us involved in dry, boring, dead religion. He wants to be our best and loving friend. It is a matter of meeting Jesus PERSONALLY, not being religious. Jesus is a PERSON, not a religion!All one needs to do is speak to him, share one’s thoughts, hopes  cares and joys with him and he will manifest. He takes all our blame, faults, regrets, errors and guilt away from us, upon himself and in return gives us peace, joy, protection, wisdom, health, prosperity and the success we hope for. No other philosophy or god offers this (btw Allah is not God/Christ, nor are any other gods). There is no other such offer in the universe. Only Christ  and He alone offers this as a free unearned gift. All we need to do is receive it; accept it freely. We then step into the life we hope for deep in our hearts. This documentary misrepresents Christ and libels him. Jesus is not out to condemn but to love and encourage us. He truly hates and condemns however those things which seek to harm us and make us “miss the mark” (the meaning of the word, “sin”). Want to enter God’s kingdom and reserve your place in heaven? You can do so right now in less than a minute. You don’t have to be a “good” person. simply, AT THIS VERY MOMENT speak- speak, address yourself (inwardly or aloud) to Jesus: “Jesus if it is true that you can indeed give me the fulfilled and empowered life I long for deep in my heart , come now into my heart, into my life and begin doing so. Then, when I get to know you , I will decide if I wish to walk with you or continue on alone again. I receive your offer of total forgiveness of all my errors and wrongdoing and am happy to receive the clean slate and new start you offer. Thank you.”If you have just spoken such words to Christ, be assured that He has heard you and has indeed forgiven you and given you a new beginning! You have just stepped into his kingdom and your place is already reserved in heaven. That is the wonderful news. We all speak to ourselves all thru the day. Simply direct that inner discourse to Jesus instead of to yourself all thru the day. He will indeed give you all the deepest desires of your heart!  

  • Jwsyt2

     

    The documentary makers represent today’s official Western RELIGION
    - a brew of humanism, atheism, moral relativity (& depravity) and political
    correctness, which is intolerant of and very hostile to Christ and his
    message. 

    That is why, as is the usual ploy, The person they carefully chose
    to represent Christ is not well equipped to present his message. 

    No one has ever kept the 10 commandments. They are impossible for
    us to keep, even for 20 minutes. 

    They are not a solution. They are a diagnosis- they show us that
    we cannot set our lives right by ourselves, without our LOVING creator and
    redeemer Christ. (He is the only one who ever kept the 10 commandments). 

    So we are “good” or “bad” people in relation
    to whom? We consider ourselves “good” in relation to other people
    such as murderers or thieves. That is not the issue. 

    Are we good in relation to God/Jesus? Of course not, no one is or
    ever was. We can never be good in relation to our good God/ Christ by our own
    good deeds. That is why NO ONE WILL EVER GET TO HEAVEN BY BEING A
    “GOOD” PERSON. Most people naively believe this myth. The greatest
    saint of all history could not get into heaven by his own “goodness.” 

    We enter God’s kingdom, now, in a moment, simply by receiving the
    goodness of Christ into ourselves. Now it is HIS goodness in us that allows us
    to be good before a good God. And we are then judged innocent of all wrongdoing
    by our loving God. We are forgiven, approved of loved by our loving God/Jesus. 

    Imagine coming before a judge to be condemned for not paying a
    debt, that you could never pay yourself. Someone comes before the judge and
    pays your debt for you. All judgement and condemnation fall away from you.
    Jesus has paid all our debts takes all our blame upon himself and puts His righteousness
    goodness and power into us.

    Christ/God forgives us our faults immediately when we ask him to
    and he takes away their consequence from our lives. Immediately and just for
    the asking. he is eagerly waiting to do so for you personally at this very
    moment.

    The young girl Deborah has a strong focus on hell at this moment
    of her life rather than on the overwhelming LOVE of Christ. God (Yahweh/Christ)
    wants no one to go to hell. God wants not one single person to go there! Yet he
    does not force us to come to him, into the fulfillment we all seek and that
    only Christ and no one else offers (and that we can never gain for ourselves).
    He gives us the freedom to choose  to walk with him or independently of
    him. Evil never gives us a choice- it forces its way into our lives constantly
    without asking our permission. Jesus is different, he asks our permission to
    come into our lives and fulfill our deepest hopes. Why does he ask? Because he
    will never override our freedom. Evil overides it and wants us in bondage.
    Jesus wants us FREE in all things. 

    The adult documentary makers are dishonest, highly biased and hit
    below the belt, exploiting this young but very brave girl who has great
    character to stand up for the truth in the face of their overwhelming intolerance.

    What is the “fun” of drunkenness, drugs, teen age sex,
    promiscuity,etc leading to emotional trauma,sickness, often the tragedy of
    abortion, future divorce, broken families, financial lack, low self esteem,
    often even premature death etc. These things are passed on from generation to
    generation ruining lives. 

    Yet the documentary makers clearly indicate that this way of life
    is fun and fulfilling! 

    It is not. It is misery. It is missing out on the potentials of
    life. Christ does not forbid having fun or a fulfilled life. It is the
    opposite. You will never have real fun until you know him personally. 

    Most people when they hear
    the name “Jesus” think of religion. He is not a God of
    “religion” or “religiosity” and does not want us involved in
    dry, boring, dead religion. He wants to be our best and loving friend. It is a
    matter of meeting Jesus PERSONALLY, not being religious. Jesus is a PERSON, not
    a religion!

    All one needs to do is
    speak to him, share one’s thoughts, hopes  cares and joys with him and he
    will manifest. He takes all our blame, faults, regrets, errors and guilt away
    from us, upon himself and in return gives us peace, joy, protection, wisdom,
    health, prosperity and the success we hope for. No other philosophy or god
    offers this (btw Allah is not God/Christ, nor are any other gods). There is no
    other such offer in the universe. Only Christ  and He alone offers this as
    a free unearned gift. All we need to do is receive it; accept it freely. We
    then step into the life we hope for deep in our hearts. 

    This documentary
    misrepresents Christ and libels him. Jesus is not out to condemn but to love
    and encourage us. He truly hates and condemns however those things which seek
    to harm us and make us “miss the mark” (the meaning of the word,
    “sin”). 

    Want to enter God’s kingdom
    and reserve your place in heaven? You can do so right now in less than a
    minute. You don’t have to be a “good” person. simply, AT THIS VERY
    MOMENT speak- speak, address yourself (inwardly or aloud) to Jesus: 

    “Jesus if it is true
    that you can indeed give me the fulfilled and empowered life I long for deep in
    my heart , come now into my heart, into my life and begin doing so. Then, when
    I get to know you , I will decide if I wish to walk with you or continue on alone
    again. I receive your offer of total forgiveness of all my errors and
    wrongdoing and am happy to receive the clean slate and new start you offer.
    Thank you.”

    If you have just spoken
    such words to Christ, be assured that He has heard you and has indeed forgiven
    you and given you a new beginning! You have just stepped into his kingdom and
    your place is already reserved in heaven. That is the wonderful news. We all
    speak to ourselves all thru the day. Simply direct that inner discourse to
    Jesus instead of to yourself all thru the day. He will indeed give you all the
    deepest desires of your heart!

      

     

  • Ladyj152

    This child needs to be saved, by intense psychology sessions
    that is.

  • mastercylinder

    What’s more annoying than a precocious know-it-all thirteen year old girl? A precocious, know-it-all evangelical christian thirteen year old girl.

    I can’t find any point to this video. We look into the life of an obnoxious home-schooled christian girl going about her daily life as an obnoxious christian. She’s never challenged on any of her worthless, long-refuted arguments (Pascal’s wager? Really?) and whoever is directing this video appears almost entirely absent. What would have made a compelling video would have been for this girl to be put into a real science class for a day and given a real education. The paranoia of her father explains a lot: he doesn’t want “the State” raising his children. I take it from that he means he doesn’t want his children mixing in with those other sinners in the real world where they might pose a threat to his religious programming and weaken the power over his little isolated tribe. It suddenly makes sense he would allow one son to move away to university after you see him in action: he is too deeply programmed to take the religious blindfold off now. I wonder how he is going to come to terms with his sexuality in time, because my gaydar was redlining every scene he was in.Scientists don’t believe the universe popped into existence and magically arranged itself; that’s what evangelical christians believe. Having the girl confront this and have her home brainwashing lessons challenged with some simple fact-based scientific literacy would have made me a lot more sympathetic towards her. She is also sorely in need of a few lectures in Gender Studies. And sex ed.It’s no wonder evangelicals are willing to believe unsupported, unscientific nonsense when the only alternative views they are presented with are even more outrageous and nonsensical straw men. This video is a massively wasted opportunity.

  • HungryForBagels

    The older brother is gay as a goose. Just sayin’. 

  • Tiff369

    I think she is a beautiful young woman who has had a particular upbringing that has shaped her whole life so far. Her next step into university would be very interesting to see as it would definitely either change or solidify her views. I think she cares about people very much and cares about what happens to them, even though this sometimes comes across as arrogance – I think you have to be insecure to see it as such. I really hope she finds a niche and is able to live life in way that is happy for her and those around her.

  • Garth Bec

    Has the older brother come out yet?

  • Docwatcher

    Has the older brother come out yet?

  • lgbt

    I look forward to the sequel when Deborah’s older brother comes out to his parents.

  • maxie

    Oh dear, aside from the absurdity this obnoxious ‘child’s’
    shallow and weak viewpoints,  her brother is probably gay. I am saddened
    at the thought that he will probably have to suppress his true feelings and
    live a lie his entire life… Or he will see sense when his eyes and mind are
    open to the ludicrous nature of religion.

  • Maxie

     

    Oh dear, aside from the absurdity of this obnoxious ‘child’s’
    shallow and weak viewpoints,  her brother is probably gay. I am saddened
    at the thought that he will probably have to suppress his true feelings and
    live a lie his entire life with his family… Or he will see sense when his eyes and mind are
    open to the ludicrous nature of religion and thus be free to be happy with who he really is.

  • punk in the supermarket

    its sad how much of an emotional burden her religion seems to her. 
    it should be something for her to celebrate, something for her to enjoy.
    Not perhaps the turmoil of this irrational fear of hell, and the constant guilt for being a human being. 
    such a mature young lady. She shouldn’t have to cry for a sin that she has never committed. Neither should she spread the word about how bad we all are and how we are all going to burn in the depths of godless hell. Jesus would hate this fear. 

    and i’m an atheist, she’s not been brought up with a choice. 

  • guest

    I’m shocked that none of those teenagers argued with her at all.

  • Dr. Ark.

    If you spend all your life in a single country, a single city, or even a single house, not only do you know it very well, but you are eager to exhort it as the greatest country, city or house that ever existed.  To you, with no basis of comparison, it is.

    A faith is very much like this.  In denying the ability to experience other faiths as much as the one you have to devote yourself to, doctrine breeds only zealous belief that what you have only known trumps that which you have never known.

  • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.smithson1 Benjamin Smithson

    it’s funny how we all feel the needed to express, a version of Belief or reality through  the internet. I can understand why, i feel the frustration of other’s not excepting my views. Belief in something means that, an apposing idea is wrong ,a contraindication to what a belief see’s as clear. to argue belief’s is a waste , only driven by an egotistical drive to win over. 

    i don’ believe in a god. I do not wish to offend. I do not wish to change views, but i can only see with in my own Beliefs. Something i’m sure you can all understand. 

  • H

    Religion is no problem as long as you use the brain god gave you. The sad thing is that it seems that the more religous people get the higher are the risk that they will be homeschooled and that will just screw up the children, since they’ll put their ideas in the childrens heads instead of facts! Children who are raised in strict families need to go to public school to see something else!

  • Annalie

    “You would have to need help to believe a theory that stupid.”
    Oh dear god (sorry for the blasphemy, and also for the fact that I choose not to capitalise ‘the lord’s’ name).
    I broke down and laughed for about five minutes after she said that. So she defines science as empiricism, yet totally disregards all scientific evidence about the Big Bang. She instead listens to ‘creationist scientists’ who claim the staggering amount of evidence disproving the ‘one world theory’ and how old the universe is untrue.
    She may be ‘saddened’ by all the ‘lost’ unbelievers, well, I feel deeply sorry for her. I’m just two years older than her and even live in the same county, so it really puts my life in perspective (and I 100% think I’m all the more happier to avoid the horrible indoctrination she’s been subject to).
    She keeps asking all these people if they’re good people. I answered yes to all her questions. And yes again after she asked if people still thought they were good.

  • Baloneige

    I’m surprised nobody has asked were her beliefs steam from…. Your sheltered life and you never questioned the people who taught you? She spends her time preparing for the end… Live it one day at a time. Jesus died for my sins (crying) your 13, wtf did you do that was so bad. I was brought up as long as you truly want forgiveness you will be forgiven, plus nobody prefect and we all make mistakes and the greater forces know this, all I got to say is I’m like WOW…

  • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.smithson1 Benjamin Smithson

    fuck u for deleting my post about belief not being owned by religion. I belief there is no god !!

  • John

    Because she is rasied with faith and a belief in God, people accuse the parents of brain washing. If she was 13, had a drug issue and living in the streets, people would say..where are the parents? I think if people listended to the audio of this documentary, they would have a different opinion. These parents allowed her to travel with Matthew which proves they are wise and loving parents.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=751734817 Odd Sigve Tendenes Tengesdal

    I have to ask you Christians out there. Would you lie to save a persons life? Would you steal to feed your child? Would you kill a person in war or if your life depended on it? To me it all sounds sanctimonious. Not everyone is as fortunate as to be born in the western hemisphere. It`s easy to preach non tolerance of sins when you live in a society that don`t persecute people for nothing, when food is fairly abundant and the army is mostly voluntary. Imagine you lived in some dictatorship and some shady government officials came knocking on you door asking for your son or daughter would you cover for them? Even tho you had to lie about their whereabouts? Or some criminal breaking in to your house catching you and then ask if there`s anyone else in the house?. These are all hypothetical scenarios, but it happens.

    There`s way to much “high horse” speech going around by so many religious people that I can`t bring myself to take it seriously and then there`s the threat of hell. It gives me chills when the strongest argument for accepting jesus is, “what you got to loose? you wanna risk it? You know death is just a “dash” away.”

    When that`s said jesus, god, zeus, thor, ra, santa, goblins, trolls ect. ect. are all the same for me. Made up by humans to keep people i check. Maybe except santa, I`m not fully educated on his origins, but I know I always played nice the few weeks before Xmas. When its comes to the question of where i get my morals I`ll say this… there`s plenty of places to find guidance for that without having to accept some make believe god. The Zeitgeist is ever moving god is not.

    Regards :)

  • nick

    This poor young soul is to young to be so ignorant and egotistical. I blame her parents for twisting the the meaning of salvation to such a level as to brainwash their own children. This young girl has no views of her own…Her voice is an example of the destructive seeds sown in her mind by her emotionally abusive parents! Shame on them!!!

  • archaeo_206

    I don’t think she’s going to turn into a psychopath, a sociopath perhaps… one of those nuts on the corner judging you. what her parents seem to have failed to realise is that although it’s a nice thought that your children can all be friends together and be schooled together, they are depriving them of a social life, brainwashing them into believing that the outside world just does not exist. she’s a clever girl, by the sounds of her, but how is she ever going to meet a partner if she’s kept apart from everything. what’s sad is just that she believes that she’s better off the way she is.

    mind you, i’m a 26 year old lesbian archaeologist… i’m bound to have my views…
    she’s a weirdo to me, as are most people in my humble opinion who blindly follow words that you have no proof are the words of your god… there’s nothing wrong with using it to live your life, as a guideline, but to believe something so completely, that would scare me

    she’s entitled to what she believes is a correct way of life i suppose… still sends a shudder down my spine…
    but…
    live and let live, as long as she’s not forcing her views on me in some unstudied, unmeditated, regurgitated, bible bashing crusade… let them get on with it

  • geminigirl

    That was just sad…. too far.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZR2WVCTS2ZJYQD6QKI55FVUIM yahoo-IZR2WVCTS2ZJYQD6QKI55FVUIM

    I thought Deborah was charming in her own way. I do not believe as she does, but she reminded me very much of my ex-neighbor girl, who is now about 13. She still sits for my cats when I am gone. She was the one that came over to my house to talk when she was old enough to talk and she never stopped. She did not talk religion – I have no idea if she went to church, or not. But she was just as in-your-face about things she did believe in, and for her whole life until now.

    Deborah will see more of the world. She may very well keep her beliefs. I kept mine, or tried, for 50 years until I just admitted I didn’t believe any of it. But for people to call this little gal vile and worse, shame on you. She is stating what she was taught and honestly believes. Her tears at the end were genuine. If the tears are in vain, they don’t hurt you. I was touched by it.

    I think a follow up would be interesting. Does anyone know of one? The number of comments here show that she had an impact on many people.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Edwards/100000657821309 Michael Edwards

    Oh, my. This little girl has been taught so badly, and would make a fine Pharisee. :(

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Edwards/100000657821309 Michael Edwards

    Hmm. She may turn out to be an atheist in a few years. The toxic Christianity she has been taught isn’t exactly life-giving, healing or inspiring. :/

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Edwards/100000657821309 Michael Edwards

    I must admit, I understand the distaste for alcohol and blaring music at parties. Ha, this may be wrong of me, but I wonder if Matthew is gay. We are a crazy world, and these kids have been raised in a bubble — it’s all unsettling.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Edwards/100000657821309 Michael Edwards

    Sigh. Deborah is soooo arrogant. And at the same time, so self-hating. Probably arrogant *because* self-hating.

  • anonymous

    I think they have some really good points just maybe go about it a little to strongly to get realistic results..

  • Mel2010

    each to their own….. if god created man, then religion will surely destroy it

  • Julia

    I think her brother might be gay…

  • Julia

    It’s easier for Deborah to think such radical thoughts because she hasn’t experienced the pain and suffering of the world. She doesn’t understand, like people at the party were saying, what it’s like to feel truly fucked over if someone in your family was murdered, if you lost a loved one, if life kicked your ass. She can easily put “murderers” and “pedophiles” in the same category as people who use social tact (“white lies”) because she doesn’t understand the weight of the words. It’s disturbing.

  • Ann Rhodes

    She’s gonna go off the deep end. It happens all the time to fundie kids. I think the only group that is realistic about the experiences a child needs to have in order to become emotionally mature are the Amish with their tradition of Rumspringa.

  • http://www.facebook.com/connerjh Conner Jordan Harris

    I hate this documentary for a number of reasons.

  • PhoenixF

    poor poor girl…. I hope she can grow further than this….
    What I find interesting is that she talks about having a first rate husband not second hand… so is that the type of guy that is going to tell her constantly how retched and horrible she is… and how vile and evil she is… and constantly going to tell her she is going to hell? Because he has to be a reflection of god and Jesus and that is what they keep on telling everyone…

    … if I was in an abusive relationship like that..people would be telling me to get out of such a verbally and psychologically abusive relashionship…. or am I mistaken… are you all retched and horrable vile people!!!?!?!?!

  • PhoenixF

    plus I think her brother has a few surprises in store for that family in years to come… wonder how they are going to deal with it from a fundamental christian standpoint…

  • Chris Simms

    but….her brother is so clearly gay…please!

  • Chris Simms

    i’m an atheist who is usually pretty friendly towards christians and christianity but seeing a little girl living her whole short life in constant and terrible fear that because she was created imperfect she could at any moment spend eternity in hell because of one lapse in concentration is so sad. people should be more humble and less arrogant and should spend more time thinking about whether their actions are right or wrong and not feel as though the world owes them fame and a living and as though they were created perfect as most people tend to feel these days, but there has to be a balance. the life that religious extremists like this are living is just awful. christianity has effectively ruined this girl’s life in the present on a moment to moment basis because she’s too young to understand it properly and take an informed, mature, and moderate approach to it. children shouldn’t be burdened with that kind of fear and her parents are irresponsible people for allowing her to take on such a burden before she can fully understand it.

  • gg

    i admire these parents. Educated by the state.. thats why the society is so messed up.

  • stella

    the girl prayed before eating kfc lool

  • A Marine

    The wicked will hate her for his namesake. She is a precious vessel. I would defend her with my life. Those that criticize her teachings have never read them, nor will they,

    “The look on their faces testifies against them; they parade their sin
    like Sodom; they do not hide it. Woe to them! They have brought disaster
    upon themselves.

    Woe to the wicked! Disaster is upon them! They will be paid back for what their hands have done.”

    Isaiah, Chapter 3 verses 9 and 11,

  • Gata Rubia

    The way those teenage girls responded to her message, in 15.00-17.00 mins, tells me that children don’t need to be brought up to believe in god or to be sheltered from contemporary culture in order to be thoughtful, openminded and patient. They were giggley and a bit boisterous – as teenagers are, but they responded to her politely and they did not try to sabotage her presentation, despite not particularly agreeing with her. I think they showed kindness and a generosity of spirit that their parents should be proud of.

  • eve

    really didn’t like the journalist/presenter. she opposed the this extreme family with the worst today’s society has to offer. teenage sex, reality shows, tabloids. really?! i am not religious, but her approach almost made me relate to the family more than the ‘modern’ life that she presented.

  • ERYREB

    I see nothing wrong with what these children are being taught. It wasn’t that long ago when nearly all children in England would have been brought up in a similar manner.

    I find it healthy that a 13 year old girl does not idolize Brittany Spears nor Victoria Beckham, and that she is not sexually active.

    To suggest that these children would be removed from their parents is ridiculous. The parents are clearly trying to raise good moral children. Simply because you don’t like their religious beliefs is hardly a reason to believe that the state will do a better job of raising them. To call this brainwashing is farcical; they are simply learning the bible in a country where somewhere around 70% of the people have identified themselves as Christian; a belief system that has existed in England since around the 3rd century.

  • claire

    I am so glad that this is number 4 on the top 100 docs on this site :D
    It really is a great documentary. Im not Christian, but she makes me think… i love her.

    • http://byroniac.blogspot.com/ Byroniac

      I hate seeing comments like this one from claire (no offense intended to you, claire) because the little girl in the video is certainly sincere, but also sincerely brainwashed. Christianity ruined a major portion of my life, that I can never get back. It’s a delusional belief system which rewards masochistic guilt, fear of divine punishment, and oppression of others for having dissenting views, especially dissenting from the Biblical so-called morality. And then I see people make comments like claire’s, and I just want them to realize they are better off without that horrible religion and to stay away from it. Do I hate Christianity? Yes I do, without apology. I do not hate Christians, however (except for the jerks, which there are enough of to be a problem in my part of the world). Christians for the most part though are just ordinary people living their lives and trying to adhere to the mandates of their belief system. I feel sad, because for so many of them, I believe Christianity takes away more than it gives, even though it offers mental strength and fellowship with like-minded individuals. Then again, the only Christianity I am familiar with is the very fundamentalist evangelical kind. Best wishes to you, claire, and please don’t fall for Christianity. Whoever you are, you deserve better.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/BFOFFTQ7VCWAJC4T5KCWID6XTE Honey West

    How will these guys deal with the gay son?

  • she

    no matter what other people think or say. it is standing for what you believe and having faith….

  • dave

    I wonder will Deborah still love her brother when she realises he is gay and the whole trip to visit his life at Uni was an attempt by him to inform her of this through the lyrics of Katy Perri’s song I kissed a girl and i liked it, explaining that he doesn’t agree with the words of this song ha ha

  • non-religeious

    I’m not religious but I have no interest in offending religious people. How do a majority of non-believers not see the “street people” on this video as degraded humans? They will provide no qualities or use other than to degrade society further more…

  • greya

    The Marilyn Manson song was a nice touch

  • greya

    The Marilyn Manson song was a nice touch

  • greya

    The Marilyn Manson song was a nice touch

  • Phronesis

    I will quickly address arguments and notions which are problematic in the form of argumentation. Feel free to disagree or agree, back up or deny, the choice in your opinion is yours and I do not force your hand in anyway.

    1: Brainwashing forwarded by bren
    Really? Religion is brainwashing? Well, tell me then, if one is so adept at noticing brainwashing, what isn’t brainwashing that is in the realm of human society and creation?

    This ‘out of the closet’ you mention is simply another form of brainwashing, brainwashing as to mold human beings into being a certain way.

    Anyway, which world do you mention is ‘out of the closet’? There are many, do you mean the Capitalist-Democratic world? How about the one obsessed with fandom? How about a world of the Protestant Work Ethic? Or maybe something a bit more dire, such as the world of the Iron Cage of Bureaucracy mentioned by Max Weber? Or something more, seemingly, trivial the American culture? A British one? What happens when one of strong faith does come into contact with it? After all it is a tall claim that society destroys faith, for if that were true, why do religious institutions still stand today.

    2: Religion should be persecuted, why? Religious indoctrination is as dangerous as Nazi indoctrination. (mrblue)

    Maybe, maybe not, not any of our individual calls.

    Forms of organized learning are forms of indoctrination, or at least attempt to imprint an ideal to be followed without question. The question of which doctrine one is allowed to follow should not be left up to the ordinary citizen alone, as hate crimes (and most importantly hate itself) follows, the decision and authority to enforce which doctrines to follow or allowed to follow should be left up to the discussion of the people enforced by the government.

    mrblue, you show signs of hate when you say “Religion should damn well be persecuted.” It is words like these that lead to darker acts. It’s not your choice what they believe in anyway, and you do not have the authority to enact your will upon another citizen. If you truly believe in Liberty you would not dare to act against them violently on your own, but with words and compassion, do you really care what happens to all parties involved if you suddenly just took away their kids regardless of what they were teaching them? Are you gonna raise them yourself? Teach them what is right and true?

    3: Truth (Lex)
    What is truth?
    How does one define what is true?
    Simply because it exists is it true?
    Simply because it is what many believe is it true?

    Bottom line, don’t use truth as an argument unless you’re willing to procure a Ph.D in Philosophy.

    These answers are short and lacking, I know this, but I do not wish to answer or rebut anymore arguments for my aim is to inspire thought, not blind hate or at least closed minded ideas simply because “I’ve been there.”.
    Institutions are hardly ever idle in their doctrine, same goes with religion.
    Don’t be closed minded, discuss WHY people choose to do what they do with CARE to them as humans and the consequence of others. Dont’ say DON’T DO THAT, say why not try this, or have you thought about this.
    People saying “lol I hate christans” “I hate God” with no explanation simply leads to flame wars and hatecrimes.
    I expect better from people who bother to watch documentaries.

  • Will

    I really just want to talk to people like this. I don’t think they’re idiots, I think they can live whatever lives they want, I just think that they’re slightly misinformed.

  • mg

    wow so this girl is somehow damaged because she believes in God and Jesus? Just because you don’t believe doesnt mean that she is wrong. Just because she doesnt spend her life thinking about boys and makeup and celebrities and she actually has a healthy happy relationship with her family doesnt mean that she is brainwashed. She is more confident and content than all the people who shy away from her. She doesnt need worldly things to fill her life. Its amazing to see her strength of character.

  • Lucy Jensen

    Not that I agree with everything, but that was actually a remarkable young woman who can take on people much older with that level of confidence and assurance and reason and all without being obnoxious or disrespectful. Kudos. I don’t know that anyone has greatly benefited from knowing about Britney Spears or Victoria Beckham. She’s quite better off being overwhelmed by the love and sacrifice of Jesus.

  • mememe

    To be fair, religious or not, all people are better off not wasting their time filling their minds with celebrity bullshit.

  • Conviction

    I agree with a lot of what the parents are doing. Homeschooling is a great education for children because it caters to their particular level and method of learning so that they are able to acquire knowledge at their own pace and truly understand things. The girl is a beautiful example of what a child her age should be. We have become so used to thinking of children as “little adults” that we simply accept them having sex, dressing in a mature fashion and living shamefully at a young age, This girl has found a purpose in her life at a young age and I commend her for that. It take most of us our entire live to have the level of conviction that she has at 13. Her being different and being raised away from popular culture does not make her odd.

  • Coach

    Not even factoring in the religious views, the fact that these kids have no clue who the celebs are and don’t see them as role models gives me hope for humanity. We need more kids these days that don’t know who these useless celebs are. We need to stop worshiping people that have contributed nothing significant to society…and by significant I mean major scientific breakthrough type things…not entertainers.

    • Naia

      No. Ignorance is not the proper reaction to celebrity. Only common sense.

  • Sam

    a remarkable young woman.

  • K

    Poor kid. There is so much more to life then the way she has be shown and grown to believe. I wish her freedom one day.

  • https://facebook.com/suzystabalot Judith Iscariot

    Holy crap she’s a depressing little girl. Everyone’s going to hell, we’re all wretched, horrible people … yeesh.

  • Anna

    Did anyone else notice the open knives on the counter wall with the toddlers sitting on the counter? Little bit of a hazard there, isn’t it?

  • Anna

    I personally just think that these children should be more exposed to other beliefs and theories and experiments in a NONBIASED way. There is evidence for the big bang theory, for one. So she has some wrong information. It is possible to be Christian and not be so secluded and unopen to other ideas. In fact, that’s part of being a Christian.

  • TomDekker

    You can house their bodies, but not their souls.

  • http://www.facebook.com/greater.celestin Greater Celestin

    In response to the comments below. You people are completely wrong. You couldn’t be more wrong about anything in your lives. Jesus said ” wide is the way that leadth to destruction and many will go, but narrow is the way that leadth to life and few will find it.” You think by insulting something you don’t accept or believe in will automatically make it false or not true? You are wrong. Dead wrong. Read the king James version of the Bible if you want to know the truth. These days everything has become corrupted and that includes the gospel. If you are learning about God or Jesus from the wrong source you will go astray and turn away from the truth. Stay away from the catholic church. They are not following the Bible.

  • Bethany

    you are all nuts. actually silly. I do not believe in god but I have nothing against religion. we can’t keep persecuting each other on our beliefs or in some cases lack of, because the truth is its how we act on these beliefs and free speeches that affects people. some religions can be quite all right, for example the Amish, some can be downright scary, it all depends how the people act on their thoughts. I think more of us need to recognise that with free speech comes responsibility, and that not one person here has the right to judge and belittle others, be it if you are an atheist, anti-theist or a full blown god lover! lets all just try and understand one simple thing here: nothing is as black and white as everyone is saying. on any side. try and understand each other and maybe apologise and make up?

  • Un-named

    Her parents were reported to the police last summer by her eldest sister for emotional, mental, physical and sexual abuse…… Pretty well covered up and as the other kids are still too brainwashed to confirm the abuse nothing can be done, but one day it will come out. Deborah was hit with a Cain since before she was even out of a cot….

  • Earth is mother!!!!

    Earth is mother! you are born from the earth and you will return when you die period!! No magical form will come out and take you to a palace in the sky or to the fires of hell, You belive in God, the devil, budda etc simple because it is built into the structure of your DNA as to frezze when in danger or scared. You might say the earth is not alive but are you not a component of the earth ? So ask yourself why do you belive in a man in the sky because over thousands of years it was breed into your DNA, like wolves into dogs!! You can control a dog but not a wolf!!. Only earth gives you life and can sustain it period, all religions i mean all are based on the stars, saying we came from them FALSE, we come from mother earth period!! Earth is mother!! Read a book and stop watching television it only makes you belive in the supernatural even more, than what is breed into you allready, Knowledge is peace of mind and good luck with your life because you do not get another in any form.

  • http://www.facebook.com/scottjcostello2011 Scott Costello

    Not sure why she is’nt taken away from the family. To brainwash a child is wrong. You should let a child learn and develop themselves, make their own choices with regards to religion, if they choose one at all. I am not religious, but don’t begrudge those that are. I was taken to church when I was younger, but when given the choice, decided very young not to be religious. To control, preach, hate those that are not religious, tell people you will go to hell just because you do or act a certain way is so wrong its unreal. Thou shall not do this, thou shall not do that. A real ‘god’, if any exist would’nt command no-body to do anything. Poor girl does’nt live in the real world. The one that exists where there is love, friendship, sharing and caring. about people and not a book. The scripture talks rubbish. Its twisted to suit the religion. As real people of Faith know, they are putting faith in something that they can’t prove. Myself have managed to be very happy not following religion. Do not worry about anything. Especially ones with made up stories.

  • Tanya

    A very interesting part of this, was where this very intelligent and thoughtful little girl asked her brother about “The Big Bang Theory”, and commented that science was about PROOF and EVIDENCE – therefore in her opinion “The Big Bang Theory” not having been proven with any evidence was “stupid”. Has she ever considered applying her “proof” and “evidence” argument to her belief in the existence of hell? She is such a sweet and sincere little darling, I hope she goes on to live a rich and full life.

  • Cevolterim

    It saddens me that this child, at just 13, is doomed to be stuck as an overbearingly-religious, utterly uninteresting, unquestioning, illogical fear-monger that is incapable of seeing the non-religious as legitimate ‘people’ – they’re just souls bound for hell.
    I can’t see any enjoyment in a life that revolves around seeing ONLY how awful everyone is, obsessing about the possibility that they could walk out the door and get run over by a bus and go to hell. It’s like that South Park episode come to life.

    It bothers me that this religion was founded on giving hope to everyone…now it’s all about the fear of hell. Sorry, but I’d rather not affiliate myself with an all-powerful being that, for less-than-a-century of minor accidents and transgressions, would allow me to suffer ETERNAL torture in a fiery pit somewhere.

  • paul

    ha ha oldest brother blatantly gay

  • Alis

    This girl is immensely intelligent, in a way that scares people yet interests them. I respect her for her intelligence. She’s not like other strict religious children; She’s clever when she preaches.Even her brother couldn’t beat her cleverness.

    • Naia

      People who are being hidden away from the facts of this world are not “intelligent”, only articulate parrots.

  • Nile

    This is the state of humanity, this is a disgrace.

  • http://www.facebook.com/eduard.bock1 Eduard Böck

    Believe, don’t believe, it’s all the same. Deborah’s questioning people’s motives by measuring them to the ten commandments is too black and white though. I fail at all ten of them, and then some, but at the same I care deeply care for those that are close to me, which is, in my opinion, the only redeeming quality any person should endeavor to keep free of scrutiny.
    In the end, all one can really do is trying to live one’s life as good as possible and do a little right while one’s at it. For the rest, may we be in heaven thirty minutes before the devil finds out we passed on.

    • http://bernardslaw.wordpress.com Bernard Marx

      You’ve murdered? Interesting.

  • http://www.facebook.com/neil.sluyters Sluyters Neil

    Hell is not mentioned in the Old
    Testament as it is portrayed by modern Christians.

    The word that is often translated ‘hell’ in some Bibles, is, in fact, mentioned
    several times in the Old Testament (or the Hebrew Scriptures). This word is
    ‘Sheol’ in Hebrew(Old Testament) and ‘Hades’ in Greek(New Testament).

    It basically means ‘the grave’….a place of inactivity and
    unconsciousness(Psalm 146:3-4)

    Not fire and brimstone, the Hebrews expected gods kingdom to be a physical one
    on earth not flying off into the sky, it was to be physical for them alone.

    The utter absence of Scientific knowledge is sad to see. That they are unaware
    of all the evidence of science that contradicts and has buried their faith. How
    a 13 year old can think they know more than all the scientists and accumulated
    knowledge of man in modern society is beyond belief. While Mom watches
    hucksters like Kent Hovind (currently serving 8 years for fraud) on the
    internet a scientifically illiterate fool who has been a laughing stock for
    decades with his pseudoscience and lies.

    The rhetoric she spews is the
    usual list of fallacies and the long smashed Pascal’s Wager.

    A wasted life of fear, hate and
    ignorance, not something any child
    should have forced on them by indoctrination and brainwashing.

  • Tyrian Lannister

    Where do whores go?

  • HeyGenius

    Perhaps you must ask yourself: What do you think is more appropriate? Being brought up and programmed by your parents? Or being brought up and programmed by the government and the garbage on TV?

    • onelove

      why to be programmed at all? why not to be encouraged to be WHO YOU ARE? or do you agree?

    • Jim

      How about neither?

  • Grumpy

    I’m not impressed with the questions by BBC 3

  • Honey

    “I’m not gonna dance to this song because I don’t agree with it” Yep, he did not kiss a girl or at least didn’t like it.

  • jlclovesjesus7

    Twisted way of thinking. If Jesus died for our sins on the cross, then why is there still a supposed hell for “sinners” to go to if they’re bad. What was the point in Jesus dying on the cross!! Makes no sense. Just guilt-ridden clap trap. A Course in Miracles (ACIM) is the book of the true God, Jesus and Holy Spirit. It came from Jesus himself.

  • jlclovesjesus7

    This kid thinks hell is real paaah ha ha ha pfffha ha aha ha ha what a big pile of bull turd burgers really. Deluded litle girl.

  • wtf

    Oh Thanks! I always questioned what kind of people breed serial killers, psychopathes and preppers. Now I know.

  • NB

    Their arguments for not believing in the big bang theory makes my head hurt.. and I am sad people who believe in the bible so much are living in such fear

    • onelove

      I agree.. but….what argument? they didn’t even present one! It was difficult to watch at times. To live in fear was and is not our purpose here.. Religion is not the answer..

  • donna page

    I was so impressed with the courage of this child of god she really increased my faith, i do so hope her reward in heaven is as tremendous as her faith is. And she fulfills the scripture….a child shall lead them.

    • Jim

      What a waste of life

  • Florence

    I am a Christian too but this girl is completely unsocialized and imbalanced.

  • onelove

    In my opinion, religions were created to control the masses, to instil fear within people in order so that they can be CONTROLLED -it’s really that simple. If people truly want to know what’s right and wrong (I rarely use those terms but I feel it’s needed here)- they’d simply need to connect within and they’ll know immediately – one does NOT NEED A BOOK to inform them of these “rules”. We have instincts for a reason – they’re not just random feelings that pass through us; we all have God-like qualities within. All these rules, fears, control-mechanisms are nothing to do with “God”, that is all man-made. Experience is the biggest gift we have, that in itself is enough, think about it; sadly most ignore it and seek knowledge externally. i.e. places like the bible.

    I saw a mature, intelligent, passionate young girl, with the potential to live an incredibly full life and I think it’s quite clear that she is a very wise person for her age. At the same time, she clearly holds a very deep, intense, genuine fear of (the wrath of) God and clearly demonstrates to us how most of her thoughts revolve around Hell.. I am very sorry to say to those who agree with her upbringing, but is that a way to bring up a child.. to be in a state of CONSTANT FEAR??? I personally believe our thoughts/minds very much connect with our physical and spiritual bodies, and if at a very deep level, a 6-year old believes s/he deserves to go to Hell and is innately evil – I mean, come on guys, what kind of life is that? Even though it is important not to judge because we never know ones path, I cannot begin to explain how sad this made me feel. She did not look happy at all, the tears at the end were not tears of joy :( ; it’s very clear that her parents have provided their children with no other option. Some of you have said that all parents brainwash their children? Eh?? Most parents who I have met in my life (including my own), provided their kids with guided options, open choices..to establish in a loving way – who it was they wanted to become. Doesn’t that sound healthier? Ok, so some of you shall say, but if a child can do whatever he likes whenever he likes, he may hurt himself – but isn’t that life? Isn’t that how one grows, becomes, flowers into the person they’re “meant to be”? That’s the whole point. I don’t believe we are here to worship anything or anyone and be in a state of fear; we are here to evolve, become, experience, love, hurt, be sad, be happy…. everything, that’s the WHOLE POINT!!! Up there, all there is – is love.. we are Gods incarnate, expressing ourselves in whatever way feels right for us – hence why everyone is different, we all express different aspects of the divine whole. Can that be true?? Is it too good to be true? Why? Because it’s been instilled in you to believe that God cannot be this good. And why is that? Because of the love you have experienced from YOUR GODS – your parents, i.e. it’s most likely been conditional; we therefore apply that love to the love of God.

    If such a being (“God”) were to exist, in the typical way that most people who believe in religion view this entity; then why would it, with all its power, create beings, tell them what they can’t do, tempt them and then state that if they do give in to temptation that they will be damned for the rest of eternity? I am not sorry to say that if you are someone who believes this – I urge you, for your own sanity (and for everyone that you meet), to go within, and ask yourself (devoid of any biblical knowledge – consider for a second that it is man-made) “does THAT FEEL RIGHT IN MY HEART? Does that resonate with what my instinct tells me about what unconditional love REALLY IS?” Forget the Bible – what does your heart tell you…

    Hell does not exists except for in ones mind – I respect that some may disagree, in the way that I do with their comments, however, I urge you to ponder this: Where and when did this notion of heaven and hell come into play in your life? If we were all raised on an island without a spoken language, without any books (that includes any old scriptures), would you naturally assume there were such places once you died? Is that what your instincts would tell you? I doubt it! So why do some so passionately believe in it? I honestly believe that the average human has everything she needs to know instinctively within her – we all come from the same place, and that place is called love. If we all just aim to work together, devoid of all religion – things would fall and are falling into place. More and more people are waking up :)

  • onelove

    oh, and as a side note – I was not surprised to hear her older brother say that girls don’t turn him on.. if he doesn’t realise this on a conscious level (that he is gay) he definitely does on a subconscious one. Kind of ironic, a great challenge for him and his family. I’ve a feeling he knows and is fighting this battle within.

    • yes

      I was struck by this too. I hope he gets the context from the world he will need to be himself and doesn’t drag some poor women into the closet with him.

  • rudeboi

    What’s gonna happen when she finds out that the Bible is book of fairy tales and Jesus was just some alcoholic or homo that Di Vinci used as a model for the painting. Stick that to the fridge.

    • http://byroniac.blogspot.com/ Byroniac

      Careful now. Mocking people’s imaginary friends and delusional beliefs will get you attention from theistic malcontents. :)

      • rudeboi

        I shake.

  • twrnr

    Abuse, plain and simple. Should be illegal.

  • Bryan Lammens

    Good documentary, that girl is so clever for her age, it saddens me a bit that she is so extreme in her faith.
    I wonder if the parents ever had a doubt about their son sexuality, I mean it is so obvious that boy is an homosexual, that would be a terrible news for them to learn…

    • nahid

      I am a muslim but i loved this show and i think the girl is an amazing girl. Here in America (midwest), families like this are common and of course Americans are far more conservative than the British. You do not have to drink, smoke, have sex, live out of this world to have fun. I myself spend most of my time with my family and relatives and i am very happy.

      • miss cheryl

        american’s are far more conservative than British? I pity you also for your naivety, but enjoy your sense of humour

  • Joshua

    She is incredibly intelligent it’s just sad because I honestly believe her parents are doing her and her siblings a disservice by raising them so extreme. Faith is a wonderful thing but so is open mindedness. Also i’m like 99% certain that the older brother is gay, poor fella ail struggle with that!

  • Arron

    Did anyone stop and think he didn’t agree with the song because it talk about a girl kissing a girl and therefor homosexuality. Don’t know him so can’t say if he is but just like her he was taught that practice was wrong. So he could sit that one out simply as his disapproval of the context. As for that whole family I wish them the best and hope all the kids don’t end up as depressing as Deborah.

    • mr x

      You guys have no idea what they’re capable of. I can tell you now, the man you see in this video ‘the dad’ is not a very nice person at all. It was his belief that Becky’s husband was entitled to sex from her whenever he wanted it, whether she did or not didn’t matter. I was going out with his daughter Becky for about a year in 2012 and yes, she was married but they were separated (for obvious reasons). Becky, who is Deborah’s sister, told me so many things about what her dad did to their mum and to all of the children and what he did to her when she was about 14. She’s had to go through a lot of counselling to try to get over it. Unfortunately counselling is not the answer for Becky. She is a product of this horrible mans’ ‘teachings’ and will probably never get over it. I know so much about them, most of which you would never think they were capable of. Trust me, it’s an eye opener!
      Clearly what you see in this video is a child that has been disciplined beyond recognition. They are taught by their parents how to ‘act’ in front of social services and the media. They have all been trained or conditioned by a wooden spoon. I don’t think God would approve of anything that these poor children are being ‘taught’.
      This man is clearly a bully, plain and simple.

      • Joe

        I do agree that the dad is not a nice man, he just has a bad vibe off him….11 kids and a brow beaten wife. I picked it up as soon as he started to talk about the state schools. There was subtle changes in his tone of voice…disgust/anger and a sense of him being more superior.

        The lyrics…I kissed the girl and I liked it….

        The brother says, if you listen to the lyrics you shouldn’t be dancing to it. Then says, “especially me” why? because he is gay. Just another away he is trying to come out.

      • Jim

        If the father is abuse (and he certainly shows the signs) you should inform the police because the kids are not safe

  • Dean

    Shes brainwashed…Hes camp as a row of tent pegs..domineering delusional parents…a sad indictment on todays modern world. Feel very sorry for both the kids.

  • Wendy

    I found it saddening that a girl of her age, Deborah is so obsessed with hell, and so negative in regard to life. I feel her parents have forced religion into their children’s minds day in, day out, they’re effectively brain washed. They are very judgemental, especially Deborah.Like 1 of the girls said “you’re trying to change us.. yet we would never think to expect you to change”,
    Sadly, that is the way religious people work. They want you to conform to their beliefs, and if you don’t.. you’re not good enough.
    I was a ‘born again’ Christian.. but the people judged me and wouldn’t accept me for being me.. I’m afraid I was hurt once too often by those who preach “what would Jesus do” .. yet to me their actions are the opposite.
    I’m now confused and withdrawn from the church.. and to those who say “you’re as close to God as you want to be” .. I say PFFFFT! I begged and pleaded and cried out for Him to help me. Nothing happened.. nothing changed. I actually felt even less self worth after having been in the church. If God knew all my days from when I was in the womb, like the bible says.. WHY did I suffer sexual abuse as a 7 year old child, for years, at the hands of my own grandfather? WHY do I suffer depression and anxiety?
    I was told “give your life to God.. and you’ll want for nothing.. you’ll have peace” .. well where is it?!
    GOD.. if you are up there.. PLEASE… change some of your followers heart attitudes, and stop them making those like me feel worthless.

    • Will

      See my above comment, Wendy. Sorry, I tried to post it directly to yours :)

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    It saddens me that religion can still blind people in such way. It saddens me that people still have 11 children. It saddens me that parents are allowed to raise their kids in this way. The kids will be messed up in so many ways I don’t even want to think.
    I see a lot of people here think the girl is smart. Are you kidding me? She only speaks about one thing. I believe my cat has seen more places and movies than she did.
    May Jesus help her. Or the police.

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  • Servant Of God as well

    I am not sure what this young lady hopes to accomplish, but I saw her lead no one to Christ in this documentary as a matter of fact it seems as if she turned everyone away so she is doing a disservice rather than serving. Her approach is abrasive, Jesus was not abrasive in his approach He was frank but not abrasive in order to win people to Christ you must first have a servants heart. It seems to me this young girl was more about being the center of attention, I never once heard her say that Jesus came to give us life and life more abundantly, not condemn the world but set us free from legalism. It doesn’t matter if your a good/bad person what matters is your belief system have you accepted Christ has your Lord and Savior, living a righteous life comes with sanctification and sanctification is a lifetime process. Just my thoughts…

  • Joe

    Initial thoughts:

    Child abuse
    Indoctrination/brainwashing
    The older brother is gay, has a creepy vibe off him too
    The aul fella has a cult type personality, and very controlling….
    Most of all I just feel sorry for the poor girl.

    • Jim

      I wouldn’t say “creepy”, he has a kind of aspergers vibe to him, but considering he was home schooled it’s natural to assume his character wouldn’t be like other teenagers

  • bop

    I think she missed the humility part of Christ’s message. But she’s young yet…

  • ajrt21182

    I was raised Christian and went to Church all through high school and college. I never felt it was my place to preach to people when they don’t care to know. However,I am atheist since I left college 7 years ago. It really saddens me that this family is so cut off from reality. While I do agree that children should be innocent and free from sex and drugs, I don’t think you need to scare them with hell. I scared myself with it when I was a child. Didn’t have sex till I was 22.That was a bit late, but I def don’t think 13 year olds should be having sex…. I hope that I can instill morals in my future kids without a religious background. I need to figure that out….

    That being said, this little girl is gonna have a horrible life in Britain. If she were in the US, she would be able to find groups of Christians her age and live a life of self hatred and repentance…but she will just be abrasive and friendless in the UK… :/

  • Will

    Wendy, there are many people who go through the sort of experiences you have and wonder where in the world God is. The problem of why there is suffering is one that practically everyone wrestles with. If people have taught you that becoming a Christian means you will have a happy life, then they’ve misguided you. What it gives you is a hope for the next life. I pray that this short video may be of some help to you.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9d_VKRsKbJs

    As a more general reply to the documentary, I invite everyone to put themselves in her shoes. IF there is a hell–just imagine for a moment that it was true, regardless of what you may believe–IF there is, and someone knew about it, wouldn’t it make sense for that person to warn others of its existence? If someone had cancer and a doctor had a cure, but the doctor never told the patient of his sickness until it was too late, wouldn’t we condemn the doctor? Won’t people condemn Christians if they go to hell without being told of a way to escape it?

    Sure, she seems awfully morbid and pessimistic. But if it’s true, then these years we live here mean very little in the grand scheme of things. She’s not losing anything by giving her life to God, even if she does die and just go to the grave. She’ll do so with a peaceful conscience. And are the parties and friends and fun and comfort she’s missing out on really all that important?

    So I commend her for doing what she believes is right, even though it exposed her to the ridicule and pity of others, and wish I had the guts she does.

  • david

    what a loser, she has so much to learn!!

  • Friedlon7

    I wonder how this family are going to deal with the eldest sons homosexuality when he eventually faces reality? By their criteria he’s definitely hell bound no matter what he does. It’s going to blow the whole thing apart so I suppose he’ll keep living the lie for as long as possible. In the past he would have gone straight into the priesthood, answered ‘God’s call’, (in other words – no interest in women/family).

    • Jim

      That was my first thought too, I’m gay and I knew straight away. I feel sad he will be tortured for who he is and be unable to be himself because of a 2000 year old propaganda manual.

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  • Ally

    I find documentaries like this very hard to watch.
    I find it somewhat sadistic and sick for ANY religion to claim others would go to “HELL” for not choosing that particular belief.
    I feel as though brain washing children is wrong, using fear to control is wrong.
    To see on the internet and on television young children who have succeeded in some areas of life, or young adults who have contributed to science etc. yet to see a thirteen year old girl so brainwashed in “beliefs” that she feels the RIGHT to judge others and then “witness” them to a greater existence. It is truly sad.
    Young girls and young boys should engage with peers. How do they develop into their own person with their own opinions and thoughts if they are groomed from childhood. This isnt just Christianity or any other forms of it, this isnt just aimed at Muslims it is aimed at any FUNDAMENTALIST religious person. Most of whom have a god or deity that dictates their existance. How can a non existant force control so many?
    It saddens me that in such a forward progressing world there are so many people “hell bent” on regressing humanity!

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  • Chelsea

    I pray that my children will be as well put together as Deborah is. There is nothing wrong with protecting your children from our sick society while they are still children.

    • Jim

      Actually there is something wrong with “protecting your children” by sheltering them from the outside world making them unable to deal with a majority of people and indoctrinating them into a fear based ideology that says they will burn forever; it’s called child abuse.

      Can you honestly not say there is anything wrong with a 13 year old girl saying she is the property of her father until he passes her onto another man who will then be her owner? What kind of woman are you?

      • Tom!

        Actually, by looking at the son, he made friends and seemed to be fine, so I don’t think there is a problem with getting along with normal society.
        Also, the kids don’t seem indoctrinated in the way you seem to think. I think they have picked up on the religious beliefs on their parents, much the same way any other kids copy or emulate the morals, or ideologies of their parents. I don’t think it’s going as far as indoctrination.
        She didn’t say she was the property, that’s not really how that’s meant especially in this day in age. More that you live with your parents then you move on and eventually get married and he gives you away on your wedding day, which is normal in any wedding! I don’t think it was meant in such a radical way.
        However, your thoughts are completely valid and I have to say this film did not make a good job of clarifying the position of the family or the children to be honest, it seemed more to just try and show case them as ‘different’.

        • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

          Here’s the problem I have with the whole thing, which is pretty endemic to organized religion in general. Parents believe X, Y, and Z. Children adopt beliefs X, Y, and Z, without accepting them critically (usually before they are even able to do so). That is not the fault of the kids, of course. But the parents usually believe X, Y, and Z, because, surprise, surprise, they also adopted those beliefs non-critically from their parents and/or culture. I’m a person who’s deeply soured on organized religion so it’s easy for me to see the various elements of crowd control and “fleecing the sheep” for what they are. Christianity has also done a lot of good for the world, but how much of that was by accident and how much was on purpose… well, let us just say I am thankful for good people in this world, even they are Christians (because I suspect they would be just as good of people without their religion).

          • Tom!

            We all adopt things from our parents it’s impossible for us not to. Parents all raise us with the systems they themselves believe to be important and right. Thats nothing to do with a religion. An Atheist might raise children to be vegetarian because they think killing animals is wrong.
            The son in the video didn’t follow the missionary stance so much because he wanted to be more socially acceptable and fit into university life. That is questioning the system and changing his outlook based on new information. He made that choice not his parents.

          • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

            It’s all part of a world view, which includes religion (hint: most people in the world get their religion from their culture, which includes their parents). Vegetarianism and atheism are not the same, and vegetarianism is not even a subset of atheism because they are different categories, unlike socialization and its effect on religion in how it spreads, etc. And good for the son. That’s the kind of thing you’re supposed to do when you enter adulthood, which is make rational decisions. Even if he had decided to follow the religion of his parents, fine, I guess, since as an adult he has the right to make that choice. I don’t care, unless by making that choice, he seeks to force me into his point of view down the road. I’m not willing to give religion a pass just because most people in this country practice their beliefs fairly. Of course they have the right to believe what they want, and I also have the right to freely criticize anything if I feel like it and defend my views.

          • Sana Ayisha Irshad Ahmed

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  • http://n/a Timothy

    Gah, there are so many things to discuss about this documentary there is just no way to get to them all with a comment. Deborah is 13, alright? Naturally some of what she says is going to be “parrot talk” and some theology isn’t extremely deep. Some things she doesn’t have deep understanding on. And she just has some surface knowledge of very deep issues it seems. Issues like hell, sin, and death, and that’s alright, like I said, she’s 13.

    But here’s the thing, she kind of nailed it anyway. I think there are a couple important things you should keep in mind when you watch this documentary. Firstly, I think you need to ignore the “gloomy” music, scripted questions, a few out of context voice overs, and the natural bias of the people editing and producing this documentary, right? naturally. You’d do that for any genre of film, ignore the bias.

    Secondly, get the point. You’re really going to die, that’s really going to happen. Ask YOURSELF what you REALLY believe is out there, and if you really believe what you claim you believe about life after death. Because I think a lot of people when they sit and really consider their life and their opinions of comes next they don’t really know. And I think if someone truly asks God to show them who He really is and what He’s about, what it means to be alive, why everything is the way it is He will answer.

    Like I said, so many things need talked about and clarified and expounded on in this documentary.

    Comments welcome

  • http://n/a Timothy

    Gah, there are so many things to discuss about this documentary there is just no way to get to them all with a comment. Deborah is 13, alright? Naturally some of what she says is going to be “parrot talk” and some theology isn’t extremely deep. Some things she doesn’t have deep understanding on. And she just has some surface knowledge of very deep issues it seems. Issues like hell, sin, and death, and that’s alright, like I said, she’s 13.

    But here’s the thing, she kind of nailed it anyway. I think there are a couple important things you should keep in mind when you watch this documentary. Firstly, I think you need to ignore the “gloomy” music, scripted questions, a few out of context voice overs, and the natural bias of the people editing and producing this documentary, right? naturally. You’d do that for any genre of film, ignore the bias.

    Secondly, get the point. You’re really going to die, that’s really going to happen. Ask YOURSELF what you REALLY believe is out there, and if you really believe what you claim you believe about life after death. Because I think a lot of people when they sit and really consider their life and their opinions of what comes next they don’t really know. And I think if someone truly asks God to show them who He really is and what He’s about, what it means to be alive, why everything is the way it is then He will answer.

    Like I said, so many things need talked about and clarified and expounded on in this documentary.

    Comments welcome

  • dylan

    disgusting,frightening children with eternal punishment,i was really shocked by this documentary.these parents are abusing their children with mental cruelty.those poor kids.would not suprise me if these kids have severe problems later in life.they have not been taught to love their god,they have been trained to be petrified of god,i mean seriously how can the parents live with themselves.hang your heads in shame.its 2014 you nutballs.i belive in god but me thinks the parents have just slightly overdone it.i am angry.

  • Tom!

    I have to say those kids do actually have some good morals and clearly the parents are raising some pretty intelligent kids. I mean, the only real fault I could find is perhaps that her fair was a bit too zealous but overall she was friendly and polite so I don’t honestly see the big issue. I think the maker of the film was trying to compare the situation to the WBC in America but it wasn’t there.
    To be honest I think the parents are trying to do their best and havn’t done a half bad job and should be proud of themselves. Maybe teach their kids to be a little less Zealous but otherwise she seemed intellegent, very nice, and thoughtful young women.

  • James

    I am not religious, but I think these parents are entitled to bring up their children as they see fit. I found the documentary patronising – this girl seems contented, intelligent and loving. Why knock it?

  • James

    Errrh – revision to my comment below. I remember why I’m not religious now and especially why I am not sympathetic to the despotic and vengeful Christian God that the fundamentalists get themselves into such a lather about.

    This poor girl is very bright and engaging in her own environment, i.e. in the bosom of her family. But she jars terribly with the outside world. Some of her brother’s housemates were barely able to hide their hostility – in fact they made no effort, so shame on them really. Not that I disagree with D’s disapprobation of the world outside of her farm. Only she clearly will one day have to engage with, integrate into and make some sense of it. It’s hard enough for the rest of us and we’ve had all our lives to get used to its madness and badness.

    This girl is also clearly troubled unduly by thoughts of her own mortality and that’s sad when her life has barely begun. This is what is so pernicious about those who sully the spiritual by presenting it in the language of a vicious uncompromising dogma – aka organised religion. I don’t blame her parents. They are too blinded by their faith to see that their hermetic existence will likely one day cause their children a great deal of emotional, intellectual and spiritual pain.

    Finally, I was wondering how they afford to live the way they do. Nosey I know.

  • Mei

    Is no one going to address the elephant in the room? The son is so obviously gay! Bless him! :)

  • Jessica Claire

    A very interesting, unbiased look at an intelligent, opinionated, yet in my opinion, deeply disturbed little girl. I hope she’s doing okay.

  • Haris Segetalo

    Poor, poor human being… =(

  • Karen Giardino

    I think she is perfect and lovely. I wish more people could still have that beautiful family upbringing, she is one of the lucky ones. Sometimes…ignorance is bliss. Who is that hurting? I envy her in many ways, and also, identify with her in many ways.