Osama Bin Laden: Dead or Alive

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Examining what has happened to the world’s most wanted man, Osama Bin Laden. Despite one of the biggest manhunts in history, Osama Bin Laden remained as elusive as ever. Rooted in the facts around Bin Laden’s disappearance and the continuing threat of Al Qaeda, The Conspiracy Files looks at the claims that the video messages of Bin Laden are being faked and that he is really dead.

Broadcast on: 10 January 2010

Osama Bin Laden: Dead or Alive, 8.5 out of 10 based on 14 ratings

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  • kat

    but now they have found osama in pakistan and killed him so not much of a conspiracy

    • Aa

      that’s what they want you to believe

    • Anonymous

      Except they never showed the body, and claim to have immediately buried him under sea right after his death… Doesn’t it sound kinda fishy, literally?

      • önny

        Yep, I would imagine that after 10 years of searching, they would at least capture his body and take pictures and all that stuff. I mean, remember when they got Saddam? His execution was half way public.

        Indeed the news about his death are a bit dubious. And mean it could be, that the US just confirmed him dead because they wanted to hide the fact that they didn’t manage to capture 1 guy during 10 years, in an operation, in which they poured millions of dollars and resources. Nevertheless the news are not telling the complete truth, thats for sure.

        Also, what is this thing about the US not showing any body pictures? I mean there was 1 fake picture going around, man.. I immediately noticed that it was shopped, and also should any reasonable person on this planet.

        But you can never know.. Maybe this was just a US military plot. See, now the world can only watch and wait until the terrorists retaliate for Osamas’ death. This could, and would give the US another excuse to invade the next middl-eastern country. Maybe, to rip on some more oil?

        Enough with those conspiracy theories =D I really hope that he’s actually dead.

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  • Watters-steven

    to be honest id say there wasnt much of his body to be left, id say he was riddled,,,

  • Watters-steven

    to be honest id say there wasnt much of his body to be left, id say he was riddled,,,

  • Anonymous

    Allegations are cheap, anyone can say anything and we will never likely know the true extent OBL was connected to the CIA before and after 9/11. What we do know is that he became an enemy of the West and the leader of a world-wide terrorist organization and for these reasons alone he had to be eliminated. Shed no tears for him or any other muslim Hell-bent on killing the infidel.

    • Luayursula

      Yeah… we’ll never know because he was shot in the head. Sooo… maybe we do know, after all.

  • Anonymous

    Allegations are cheap, anyone can say anything and we will never likely know the true extent OBL was connected to the CIA before and after 9/11. What we do know is that he became an enemy of the West and the leader of a world-wide terrorist organization and for these reasons alone he had to be eliminated. Shed no tears for him or any other muslim Hell-bent on killing the infidel.

  • USEESHIT

    What a BIG LIE !

  • http://www.infowars.com Fellow Info Warrior

    Everyone below is a MUST WATCH by world renowned Radio Talk Show Host & Documentary Film Maker Alex Jones, Osama Bin Dead! FOR YEARS! UNDENIABLE PROOF in this video, please share it with EVERYONE you know ASAP as I have with you! WE HAVE BEEN CONNED!

    HARD EVIDENCE in this video that he did NOT die yesterday and that he has in fact been dead for years! Warning: The Government does NOT want you to see this video!

    Exclusive: ‘Bin Laden Dead’ Hoax Exposed

    • fuckgreece

      Alex Jones is a Beast.

      • Appollo

        Why do you hate Greece?

    • fuckgreece

      Alex Jones is a Beast.

    • Palone

      “world renowned Radio Talk Show Host & Documentary Film Maker Alex Jones” the only thing he’s renowned for is being a delusional fantasist.

      “The Government does NOT want you to see this video!” Which government is that … there are quite a few.

      Also, your unecessary use of CAPITALS suggests are rather overly excited and unbalanced personality .. you need to calm down,

  • Sk

    so called most wanted terrorist was living in most active militry zone of abbattabad , what a joke. only americans can buy that

    • Johnny

      They are the only ones meant to buy it, well and the other NATO stooge societies like here in Canadumb that are spoon-fed their opinions by the mass-media.

      I’m ashamed of my media here in Canada for their coverage of this Bin Laden BS with crap like “rot in hell!” on the front page of the Toronto Sun (of Sun Propaganda Inc.) – I’m too scared to even check their new T.V station, FOX News North is officially on the air…

      Now that Osama is dead the masses can believe we’ve finally won the war in Afghanistan and Obama can claim he ‘won it’ and the war can end and everyone can live happily ever after.

      Except all the people of Afghanistan and Pakistan that will be dealing with the aftermath for decades to come of course, but they don’t count.

      Who cares about those people we screwed over, propagandized revenge has been achieved and that is all anybody(the leaders) in the West really cared about. Time to cut and run and turn their focus elsewhere with the media of the mass-media.

      Here in Canada the joke of a mass-media is typified by the Sun network that screams about how there’s a liberal bias in the media all the time and then have a double front page comparing the Liberal leader directly to Communist big-wig “Chairman Mao” – followed by a full page about ‘good old boy’ Harper(in a cowboy hat, beer in hand) swigging some brewskies with the boys down at the bar… and then another page of opinion columns talking about how “Chairman Iggy Mao” and his evil cohorts were involved in a huge scandal to “taint” the results of a CBC opinion poll in favor of the Liberals.

      Followed by 2 full pages of more opinions on why Harper ‘is the only real choice for Canadians’. God damn, that’s a massive liberal bias, amazing Harper managed to defy all the odds stacked against him and make it a majority… [/obvious sarcasm]

      Don’t be messing with opinion polls you dumb liberals!

      Follow the Sun’s example and just come straight out and tell the people what their skewered opinions are – Harper would have made a great Hitler comparison… A picture of Harper and someone screaming “Hitler! Hitler! Hitler! Hitler!” would be on par with the conservative propaganda quality of “They’ll raise taxes! They’ll raise taxes! They’ll raise taxes!” or “voting for the Liberal Party means you are voting for the Liberal Party leader – we know you are too stupid to figure that out on your own”. Oh yeah, he’s also an American.

      And then when his campaign started to pick up steam Iggy got the media axe, ‘Layton the long-shot’ who never had a chance in hell suddenly became the prime focus for anti-conservative politics. Of course just to be safe they made sure to implicate him in criminal activities(rub and tug) to smear him in the last days of the election.

      If such blatant propaganda over our own domestic national elections can be accepted or ignored by the masses here then I honestly do believe that Canadians deserve to take the crown from the U.S as being the new ‘dumbest country in the world’.

      In 10 years after the Harper Cons have destroyed the Canadian nation with their stupid mass-bribery ‘tax cut’ policies and reckless spending people will start to wonder what went wrong.

      I can answer that right now – taxes pay for government services – cut taxes then you have to cut services – the Harper Con’s like cutting taxes but also like big-spending which doesn’t work out well for the national ‘bottom line’.

      Sure Liberals almost always have higher taxes, but they also have strong countries with balanced budgets since those taxes pay for the services we the people want…which the Conservatives quickly destroy and turn into massive debt every time they take power.

      Maybe they want to bankrupt our government so that private industry can take over more and more as per their stated ideological beliefs?

      Nooooooooo……. they would never…. Chairman Mao and Jack ‘Rub’n tug socialist’ Layton would surely stop them!

      This Bin Laden PR operation was laughed at the first day, now it’s accepted simply because the mass-media repeated it enough times.

      They don’t even need any photo’s to make it work, just keep repeating “there’s no doubt we killed him, there’s no doubt we killed him, there’s no doubt we killed him” and it’s as good as true.

      And people in the west wonder why the world laughs at us – we’re a bunch of frigging buffoons being led around by our noses in a giant circus act.

      But damn do we love our circus act, eh?

      I’m gonna go smother myself with a stack of Toronto Sun newspapers… oh wait I tried that before but since it’s all fluff it doesn’t work very well, it just leaves a bad taste.

      Oh well, I’ll have a little bonfire and burn them instead, it’s the only thing they’re good for.

      Bin Laden is dead because they said so!

      Nope, I still don’t believe it, will have to repeat it a few more times yet…

      • Ellie

        Hi Johnny…I am just as frustrated as you. The United States has for years basically tried to convince people that the safety of the entire country was in jeopardy due to one man. This is totally crazy. Well, if that was the case, and now they have claimed to kill him, I guess they can get out of the countries that they do not belong in.

        I truly despise war. I despise it! The United States should be dealing with their own peoples needs. There are so many people in need, so many homeless people…families…in need of the basics…housing..food…health care!

        When will this end??? There seems to be no way to get this government to understand that war is not what the majority of americans want. I am totally discouraged….

      • Ellie

        Hi Johnny…I am just as frustrated as you. The United States has for years basically tried to convince people that the safety of the entire country was in jeopardy due to one man. This is totally crazy. Well, if that was the case, and now they have claimed to kill him, I guess they can get out of the countries that they do not belong in.

        I truly despise war. I despise it! The United States should be dealing with their own peoples needs. There are so many people in need, so many homeless people…families…in need of the basics…housing..food…health care!

        When will this end??? There seems to be no way to get this government to understand that war is not what the majority of americans want. I am totally discouraged….

        • Johnny

          Absolutely agreed, pointless multi-trillion dollar wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and hundreds of billions spent every year on military development but no money to help our own people that really need it.

          Thanks to the powers that be our idea of helping other people is ignoring our own people in favor of blowing the crap out of other people’s countries and killing them.

          But only because it helps them… we’re the ‘good guys’ after all.

          It’s like that bully in 9th grade that “helped” my friend get a couple of days out of school by beating him up and breaking his nose.

          It was extremely nice of him to help my friend like that.

          It was extremely nice for the U.S to bring democracy to Iraq, the entire country being laid to waste and millions being dead or displaced is the nicest thing anyone has everyone done for the Iraqi people. Not to mention over a decade of the ‘love blockade’ that mercifully spared up to a million Iraqi children from the pain of being alive.

          All those suicide bombers and “terrorists” are/were just trying to show their extreme gratitude for the gift of democracy the U.S gave them by sending American soldiers to enjoy the eternal ‘Paradise’.

          Bah, I’m not even sure if I’m being sarcastic anymore, in 20 years that may be what the official history books say if things keep going the way they are(if the human race survives that long).

          But they know all too well that it’s not what most people want, hence why they used people like Sigmund Freud, the ‘godfather of propaganda’ Edward Bernays and developed systems like the Delphi Technique specifically to allow them to manipulate people into believing they support this war crap.

          And it’s not a new thing either this mass-manipulation aka bullshit, I have a newspaper here I pulled up from under a linoleum floor at a place I’m working at –

          The Globe and Mail – Thursday, March 22, 1945 – Highlights include:

          An article(no author stated) entitled “Words Without Action” discussing how the World Security Organization(to become the U.N) needed to be more militarized and war-happy than it’s predecessor the League of Nations in order to prevent another Nazi Germany from coming to be.

          It clearly implies that it was the League of Nations lack of willingness to attack Germany and stop the Nazi’s before it was too late that was the problem.

          Another article title speaks for itself: “Religion Unshackled by the Soviets” by J.V McAree. The best parts are where it says the Bolsheviks brought “freedom of conscience” to Russia and “separated Church and State”, going as far as to boldly state much freedom was granted by the Soviets to the Church and people.

          Uncle Joe Stallin get’s a brief mention as the ‘beloved leader’.

          And the best one of all is a column by Walter Lippman entitled “Today and Tomorrow”, an article titled ‘The German Rubble’ in which he prepares the propaganda to cover up the truth about why Germany would remain a pile of rubble until 1948(the Morgenthau Plan, revised edition implemented as JCS/1067).

          He basically explains that Hitler made sure that nobody in Germany was capable of taking power after the Nazi’s fell and thus it was the German’s own fault that their country wasn’t going to get rebuilt for 3 years or so after the war, and between 9.5 and 13.5 million Germans would die of disease and starvation needlessly as a direct result of Allied policies.

          Also, lots of ‘collective guilt trips’ for the German people implying that all Germans are equally responsible for Nazi crimes because they could have ‘risen up against the Gestapo’ but did not, and lying about there being ‘no popular resistance’ in Germany.

          The best line is where he says Germany was ‘unable to surrender’ by it’s own accord, thus implying the massive firebombing of civilian areas of German cities(and Japanese cities) was absolutely necessary because the Nazi’s fought to the bitter end and refused to surrender.

          They fought to the bitter end but once crushed the heavily ‘Nazified’ German people put forward no popular resistance toward the Allies?

          And despite there supposedly being no popular resistance up to 13.7 million Germans would go on to perish under Allied occupation in the immediate aftermath of the war.

          If they weren’t resisting why punish them and purposefully prevent them from rebuilding and saving themselves from the chaos and disease epidemics rampant in the rubble piles of their prior homes and cities for 3 years after the war?

          As soon as the Soviets became an ‘enemy’ then Germany was rebuilt in no time as both sides sought to exploit the industrial and human resources of Germany in the name of the ‘Cold War’(the Marshall Plan).

          If they aren’t good for anything to us we force them to wallow in the dirt and rubble and die by the millions from starvation and disease because we ‘just don’t have the resources’ for helping them – but if we need them for warfare purposes then we’ve got all the resources needed to “help” them with no problem.

          Sorry, I’m ranting. It just disturbs me sometimes how today many people look back at those days as the ‘golden years of journalism’ where integrity and honesty mattered, and yet if you actually read most of it you can’t really see any difference from today – in some cases it was far more blatant lies back then than today(due to more access/interconnectedness, you can’t completely invent stories anymore you at least need some facts to support them).

          Take the Bin Laden story now – I can guarantee there was probably an operation targeting a multi-million dollar compound that may have even belonged to Bin Laden(at some point in time at least), but everything else is probably pure 100% “spin”.

          Maybe there was even a guy there that looked like Bin Laden, it’s not too hard once he’s been shot in the head once or twice…

          But anyways it all may seem discouraging but you can’t let it get to you too much, if need be you can always focus on trying to use the system in some way to help wake people up and stop the cycle.

          • Luayursula

            I’ll put on my tin-foil hat to say that this seemed to me, from first day, like a Moon-landing scenario.

            In that we surely made it there, but there were not people inside.

            And if so, surely was not televised live for all to see how wrong it could have went.

            This OBL, CIA-operative was likely killed by a missile, long time ago.

            Either way, even if they just now killed the intellectual instigator of a massive crime, unarmed. That being cheered and chanted as good news by the mass-media… even “liberal” coolish “Colbert” “Stewart” -likes…

            Please… How can not anyone made a joke already, about a Peace Nobel prize telling his commando by video-chat, while watching the action all FPS-like…

            “-Shoot the fucker in the head.”

            Not a regard on the kind of questions they could have asked the fucker if he were to be captured. How can anyone be conspiranoid, right?

            Pre-war Germans and today’s Americans do share a lot of points in common, too.

          • Johnny

            For some real idea of the truth regarding the last century or so check the works outlined here:

            Revisionist Bibliography of works(up to 1981) from the Institute of Historical Review –

            http://www.ihr.org/books/stimely/stimely.shtml

            Keep in mind those are only work’s up until 1981, the fall of the Soviet Union and the opening of the Soviet Archives in the early 90′s led to a treasure trove of records and many more revisionist works since then as well.

            Probably as many revisionist works as are contained in that link could be produced just for dealing with the past 10 years since 9/11 as well I might add.

            Just note that if you live in Europe, Germany and France especially, you could face legal problems pursuing revisionism. Also here in Canada, but its less likely.

          • Johnny

            For some real idea of the truth regarding the last century or so check the works outlined here:

            Revisionist Bibliography of works(up to 1981) from the Institute of Historical Review –

            http://www.ihr.org/books/stimely/stimely.shtml

            Keep in mind those are only work’s up until 1981, the fall of the Soviet Union and the opening of the Soviet Archives in the early 90′s led to a treasure trove of records and many more revisionist works since then as well.

            Probably as many revisionist works as are contained in that link could be produced just for dealing with the past 10 years since 9/11 as well I might add.

            Just note that if you live in Europe, Germany and France especially, you could face legal problems pursuing revisionism. Also here in Canada, but its less likely.

          • Luayursula

            I claim bullshit to be self-evident, and that so forth no information or data analysis or exposure should be considered a crime of any sorts. As far as you are allowed to state back the bullshittyness of it all.

            That said, in my dear Spain, parties with stated Fascist agenda are allowed to run in the elections, while we keep our Communist party legal, monarch, appointed by Franco, who the media is not allowed to inform on him or his family beyond press statements and a Judicial System that can one day validate a independentist party that the two main tried to prohibit as being one-and-all with terrorists and the next day prosecuting a “star”-judge for going rogue and trying to settle some truth once and for all, in all the mass-graves filled with unidentified remains by the Fascist post-civil-war repression.

            With that schizophrenic Spanish status quo, fuck, who knows!?… I’ll just read it, and make my own opinion. Either way, if any of us were to be judged upon the bullshit we’ve been told, spoon-fed, taught or indoctrinated to, and often transmitted by ourselves with our own miss-informed words, actions, posts, fairy-tales and buys. Let’s face it. We’re are all facing serious charges. And likely we’ll be declared guilty by our future generations, in so many levels.

          • Johnny

            In Germany and France it’s not about Fascism or Communism, as far as I know you can be a fascist or communist in both countries legally just as long as you don’t question the official history of that world-changing event.

            In Germany though they still burn books of historical revisionists and imprison them for ‘thought crimes’ with sentences of up to 5 years per violation.(at one time Germar Rudolf faced over 300 violations)

            I believe the longest sentence in Germany for revisionism so far has been 26 years in prison, but I could be wrong.

            In Spain I don’t think there is anything as bad as that, but I would still be careful if I were you.

            Even if the your government won’t go after you they could deport you to Germany, as the U.S has done a few times despite those people not violating any U.S laws at all.

            But the legal problems are usually for writing or discussing such things, just reading about it is not illegal anywhere I think.

            So reading is good, but be careful discussing it.

            Here in Canada I once had someone call the police on me for speaking about revisionism, but the police officer who arrived just laughed and told him to call them back when I actually broke the law.

            If you get the wrong police officer that could be very different though.

          • Johnny

            In Germany and France it’s not about Fascism or Communism, as far as I know you can be a fascist or communist in both countries legally just as long as you don’t question the official history of that world-changing event.

            In Germany though they still burn books of historical revisionists and imprison them for ‘thought crimes’ with sentences of up to 5 years per violation.(at one time Germar Rudolf faced over 300 violations)

            I believe the longest sentence in Germany for revisionism so far has been 26 years in prison, but I could be wrong.

            In Spain I don’t think there is anything as bad as that, but I would still be careful if I were you.

            Even if the your government won’t go after you they could deport you to Germany, as the U.S has done a few times despite those people not violating any U.S laws at all.

            But the legal problems are usually for writing or discussing such things, just reading about it is not illegal anywhere I think.

            So reading is good, but be careful discussing it.

            Here in Canada I once had someone call the police on me for speaking about revisionism, but the police officer who arrived just laughed and told him to call them back when I actually broke the law.

            If you get the wrong police officer that could be very different though.

          • Luayursula

            No danger. We might agree that Jews over-exploit the holocaust, which would be totally fine if they weren’t doing what they do to the Palestinians. Other than that. PR and all… The millions not accounted in both sides, during and after… the military industrial complex that rules today. I’m not going to rip my vest on some inflated numbers. What was done in the Gulags after that… Cambodia, Guantanamo, then today’s US legal System. War on Terror… How is it far fetched? Mollock thrives!

          • Johnny

            True enough, but when questioning something like the 6 million total death toll is a crime – even though no academic scholar on either side of the Holocaust issue support the 6 million figure – something needs to be done to fix it.

            Just saying that the numbers are exaggerated could land you in prison in Germany or France or Poland, etc.

            If their were 6 million dead from 1945 -1989 with 4 million accounted for at Auschwitz then how could there be 6 million now when in 1989 the Auschwitz death toll was reduced to 1.1 – 1.6 million?

            That is not a minor exaggeration, if not at Auschwitz then where, how, when and what did the Nazi’s do to these people?

            Where is the evidence those 2.4-2.9 million people ever existed in the first place?

            If the numbers at Auschwitz were exaggerated by the Soviets by that much how many other camp’s did they exaggerate the numbers in?

            All credible revisionists agree that at least 2 million Jews died during WWII of many causes, the issues are the causes of death and not just exaggeration of the numbers.

            Revisionists agree mass-shootings took place of Bolshevik and Zionist Jews and executions of many non-Bolshevik Jews and non-Jews also occured.

            The evidence for gas chambers and a plan of mass-extermination isn’t just exaggerated, its invented.

            The Ghetto’s and camps had their own currencies, their own Jewish Administrations and Jewish police forces(mainly just in the Ghetto’s) specifically established by the Nazi’s.

            To prepare them for extermination?

            Or to prepare them for governing their own Jewish nation in Africa(Madagascar)?

            Hmmm… One of those answers could land you in prison… And I thought Nazism was dead? …

          • Johnny

            Note – the Nazi ‘Jewish Nation’ would have been more like modern Palestine rather than a real nation most likely.

            I don’t support it(ethnic cleansing) any more than I would support the claimed mass-exterminations, but such a plan is a far cry from the actual mass-exterminations claimed.

            Revisionism isn’t about denying anything, it’s about understanding the truth about why wars happen(ed) so we can prevent it in the future and stop the cycle of hate and violence.

            Today’s hatred is based out of yesterday’s.
            The cycle needs to be stopped.

          • Luayursula

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        • Johnny

          Absolutely agreed, pointless multi-trillion dollar wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and hundreds of billions spent every year on military development but no money to help our own people that really need it.

          Thanks to the powers that be our idea of helping other people is ignoring our own people in favor of blowing the crap out of other people’s countries and killing them.

          But only because it helps them… we’re the ‘good guys’ after all.

          It’s like that bully in 9th grade that “helped” my friend get a couple of days out of school by beating him up and breaking his nose.

          It was extremely nice of him to help my friend like that.

          It was extremely nice for the U.S to bring democracy to Iraq, the entire country being laid to waste and millions being dead or displaced is the nicest thing anyone has everyone done for the Iraqi people. Not to mention over a decade of the ‘love blockade’ that mercifully spared up to a million Iraqi children from the pain of being alive.

          All those suicide bombers and “terrorists” are/were just trying to show their extreme gratitude for the gift of democracy the U.S gave them by sending American soldiers to enjoy the eternal ‘Paradise’.

          Bah, I’m not even sure if I’m being sarcastic anymore, in 20 years that may be what the official history books say if things keep going the way they are(if the human race survives that long).

          But they know all too well that it’s not what most people want, hence why they used people like Sigmund Freud, the ‘godfather of propaganda’ Edward Bernays and developed systems like the Delphi Technique specifically to allow them to manipulate people into believing they support this war crap.

          And it’s not a new thing either this mass-manipulation aka bullshit, I have a newspaper here I pulled up from under a linoleum floor at a place I’m working at –

          The Globe and Mail – Thursday, March 22, 1945 – Highlights include:

          An article(no author stated) entitled “Words Without Action” discussing how the World Security Organization(to become the U.N) needed to be more militarized and war-happy than it’s predecessor the League of Nations in order to prevent another Nazi Germany from coming to be.

          It clearly implies that it was the League of Nations lack of willingness to attack Germany and stop the Nazi’s before it was too late that was the problem.

          Another article title speaks for itself: “Religion Unshackled by the Soviets” by J.V McAree. The best parts are where it says the Bolsheviks brought “freedom of conscience” to Russia and “separated Church and State”, going as far as to boldly state much freedom was granted by the Soviets to the Church and people.

          Uncle Joe Stallin get’s a brief mention as the ‘beloved leader’.

          And the best one of all is a column by Walter Lippman entitled “Today and Tomorrow”, an article titled ‘The German Rubble’ in which he prepares the propaganda to cover up the truth about why Germany would remain a pile of rubble until 1948(the Morgenthau Plan, revised edition implemented as JCS/1067).

          He basically explains that Hitler made sure that nobody in Germany was capable of taking power after the Nazi’s fell and thus it was the German’s own fault that their country wasn’t going to get rebuilt for 3 years or so after the war, and between 9.5 and 13.5 million Germans would die of disease and starvation needlessly as a direct result of Allied policies.

          Also, lots of ‘collective guilt trips’ for the German people implying that all Germans are equally responsible for Nazi crimes because they could have ‘risen up against the Gestapo’ but did not, and lying about there being ‘no popular resistance’ in Germany.

          The best line is where he says Germany was ‘unable to surrender’ by it’s own accord, thus implying the massive firebombing of civilian areas of German cities(and Japanese cities) was absolutely necessary because the Nazi’s fought to the bitter end and refused to surrender.

          They fought to the bitter end but once crushed the heavily ‘Nazified’ German people put forward no popular resistance toward the Allies?

          And despite there supposedly being no popular resistance up to 13.7 million Germans would go on to perish under Allied occupation in the immediate aftermath of the war.

          If they weren’t resisting why punish them and purposefully prevent them from rebuilding and saving themselves from the chaos and disease epidemics rampant in the rubble piles of their prior homes and cities for 3 years after the war?

          As soon as the Soviets became an ‘enemy’ then Germany was rebuilt in no time as both sides sought to exploit the industrial and human resources of Germany in the name of the ‘Cold War’(the Marshall Plan).

          If they aren’t good for anything to us we force them to wallow in the dirt and rubble and die by the millions from starvation and disease because we ‘just don’t have the resources’ for helping them – but if we need them for warfare purposes then we’ve got all the resources needed to “help” them with no problem.

          Sorry, I’m ranting. It just disturbs me sometimes how today many people look back at those days as the ‘golden years of journalism’ where integrity and honesty mattered, and yet if you actually read most of it you can’t really see any difference from today – in some cases it was far more blatant lies back then than today(due to more access/interconnectedness, you can’t completely invent stories anymore you at least need some facts to support them).

          Take the Bin Laden story now – I can guarantee there was probably an operation targeting a multi-million dollar compound that may have even belonged to Bin Laden(at some point in time at least), but everything else is probably pure 100% “spin”.

          Maybe there was even a guy there that looked like Bin Laden, it’s not too hard once he’s been shot in the head once or twice…

          But anyways it all may seem discouraging but you can’t let it get to you too much, if need be you can always focus on trying to use the system in some way to help wake people up and stop the cycle.

      • Ellie

        Hi Johnny…I am just as frustrated as you. The United States has for years basically tried to convince people that the safety of the entire country was in jeopardy due to one man. This is totally crazy. Well, if that was the case, and now they have claimed to kill him, I guess they can get out of the countries that they do not belong in.

        I truly despise war. I despise it! The United States should be dealing with their own peoples needs. There are so many people in need, so many homeless people…families…in need of the basics…housing..food…health care!

        When will this end??? There seems to be no way to get this government to understand that war is not what the majority of americans want. I am totally discouraged….

      • Jbg

        Are you finished ???

        • Johnny

          Maybe, but why do you care?

          If you don’t want to read it then don’t read it, like all the other people that don’t want to read it…

          If you are bothered by having to scroll through my long posts just click the little ” – ” symbol and it will collapse and you won’t have to scroll through it or even acknowledge it’s existence if you don’t want to.

          • jgb

            You’re right! I don’t care for psycho-babble. You have brought verbal
            diarrhea to a whole new level.I’m sorry there isn’t enough toilet paper on this page for your condition.

          • jgb

            You’re right! I don’t care for psycho-babble. You have brought verbal
            diarrhea to a whole new level.I’m sorry there isn’t enough toilet paper on this page for your condition.

          • jgb

            You’re right! I don’t care for psycho-babble. You have brought verbal
            diarrhea to a whole new level.I’m sorry there isn’t enough toilet paper on this page for your condition.

          • mort

            jbg:

            BRILLIANT !!!

            dear moderator,

            there should be a hard and fast rule that all posts be less than 400 BILLION WORDS

          • Johnny

            400 Billion words?

            Fine by me, I doubt I’ve come close to that in my entire life.

            Brilliance is at all new low standard I guess.

            Jjb – So you don’t care because my post is garbage and that’s why you care enough to post twice now?

          • jgb

            You’re right! I don’t care for psycho-babble. You have brought verbal
            diarrhea to a whole new level.I’m sorry there isn’t enough toilet paper on this page for your condition.

  • Anonymous

    Funny how this was posted here on the day the US claims to have actually killed him!

    And if what the US government and media is saying is indeed true (the execution on May1/2 2011) then his concealment, for years, can only have been maintained with ISI assistance. So will the US war machine attack Pakistan? Probably and hopefully not… maybe now the US can pull all forces out of the Afghan-Pakistan area and save a few hundred billion dollars

  • Pakistan_Pakhtun

    Obama did this to win Elections. & all the world believe him. They did not kill Osama Bin Laden.

  • Luayursula

    ^^ @e6842847d7903fef79486251a3bb9b6e:disqus … Seen no denial, indeed, on first read of that list. But the motivations make my spider-senses tickle.

    So showers were just showers, and they just made them work till death? Tell you what,… children, old men, sick and the like are not that great of of a task-force. And they eat. And men would share the little food they had with them. Sooo… From an IBM, HAL 9000, industrial perspective, kind of makes sense.

    And to think that the Nazis were… “camping Jews”, to send them to a remote area in Africa were they would found their new country over some fabled Salomon’s Camp Devy’s. Really? I mean… there is Israel, of course. But two nations in conflict having the same idea about what to do with the unwanted suppliers of their war effort? In such humane ways?

    Both sides sent their soldiers, dissidents and “unwanted ones” to the Moloch fire by the millions.

    How many were Jew, Catholic, Rom, Communist, Fascist, Anarchist or third degree Vegans, it’s kind of pointless from a humanist perspective.

    If some Mith-spice had to added to “prevent future Generations” to blah, blah, blah… is good to know, and that some enjoy adding salt to their cuts, common knowledge. If it serves a purpose and they enjoy it, let them be.

    When someone uses past horrors, weather it’s the Holocaust, 9/11, or the cancellation of the Firefly TV show, to justify atrocities… Then, is when we should all stand up and remind the demagogues that we’ve all had our share of past and present crap-load.

    • Johnny

      “I mean… there is Israel, of course. But two nations in conflict
      having the same idea about what to do with the unwanted suppliers of
      their war effort? In such humane ways?”

      Joseph Stallin also created the Jewish Autonomous Oblast in 1934 – a seperate Jewish state/nation/area was thought of by many different groups as a solution to the ‘Jewish Question’…

      Africa was one of the original Zionist proposals for a Jewish State, eventually dropped in favor of Palestine/Israel.

      Question though – If the people were just meant to be worked to death why does the biggest extermination camp at Auschwitz also have one of the largest and most state-of-art hospital’s and delousing facilities in the German world at the time?

      But anyways, family is here now so I will shut up now… I promise.

      • Luayursula

        I’ll shut it too, then. But I would say that fancy hospital was Menguele’s playground. A place were state-of-the-art research was made, from which all of us have benefited… And yet. You sure you’d like to be treated there? Not all dungeons have too look poop-floor Abu-Grahib-like…

        • Luayursula

          “Joseph Stallin also created the Jewish Autonomous Oblast in 1934 – a
          seperate Jewish state/nation/area was thought of by many different
          groups as a solution to the ‘Jewish Question’.. ”

          Really? Everybody loved those Jews! lol… They just didn’t want to pay their bills. What will they do with China, I wonder… Sending the Chinese to a remote land won’t be easy.

          • Johnny

            As just one final word on this here – this was the real Nazi led Holocaust: (warning – graphic images)

            Horrible crimes yes, but no gas chambers.

            And some of the bodies you see are likely the “left overs” from the Russian NKVD and Polish militias killing spree’s as they withdrew from Poland as well. The Nazi’s in many cases had Bolshevik collaborators and Jews gather the bodies and dig mass graves, then they were executed and added to the graves themselves.

            Also many other video’s can be found linked through that one, but keep in mind most of them mainly show the reprisals of local Polish civilians against the Bolshevik collaborators in very brutal fashion, with the Nazi’s standing by but doing nothing to stop it – not actually commanding or carrying out the acts(as incorrectly implied in some of them, true in others) but equally guilty in my mind regardless.

            Those well documented crimes should be the focus of the Holocaust history, not the alleged but non-evidenced gas chambers and “death camps”.

            But focusing on those crimes could lead to the discovery of the murders of thousands of ethnic Germans in Poland through the 1930′s – which would destroy the “unprovoked Nazi aggression” claim used by Britain to start WWII as still supported today.

          • Justin Tab

            Johnny & Luayursula,

            You 2 sound like a match made in heaven. You should either:

            a. PM each other; or

            b. meet for coffee
            ; or

            c. get a room; or just maybe

            D. GET A LIFE !

          • Johnny

            a) I don’t have an actual account here at this time nor does it seem like Luayursula does, so it is difficult to PM.

            With my views they probably would prefer I not become an official member here honestly.

            b) + c) is kind of difficult, I’ll just uproot my life and take a casual stroll across the ocean to grab a coffee…

            d) I have a life, and it’s very fulfilling. I can’t speak for Luayursula though of course…

            If it doesn’t meet your standards then I really don’t care as it’s my life. What’s your point?

            As already mentioned the -/minus symbol on the tab with the name of the poster means you have the full ability to completely ignore us both with extreme ease.

            Would you like an instructional video on how to do it or can you figure it out?

            If you want to address anything that’s actually been said it would be better to copy and paste to a different video on the WWII/Holocaust topic and end the derailment (I fully apologize for) here.
            I have posts on many of those video’s already to attack

            If you aren’t going to address anything that has been said why even take the time to post here at all?

            Again moderators/staff I apologize for the derailment.

          • Ellie

            You’re just jealous because the “lady folk” love Johnny… after all, an intelligent man is hard to resist and Johnny and Luayursula seem to have been enjoying themselves and I also enjoyed their comments…

          • Johnny

            Haha, if only they loved me as much off-line… when you have a choice of whether to listen(or read) it may be good… but I can easily drive people insane, lol.

            Hence why I spend my time on sites like this instead of driving the people who could potentially kill me insane… :D

          • Ellie

            You’re just jealous because the “lady folk” love Johnny… after all, an intelligent man is hard to resist and Johnny and Luayursula seem to have been enjoying themselves and I also enjoyed their comments…

        • Johnny

          Based on the Auschwitz survivor testimony I have personally seen collected by the Shoah Foundation and Stephen Spielberg in which numerous inmates mentioned the ‘quality’ medical care there… I wouldn’t have minded being treated there – if those inmates were being honest.

          It comes down to whether you believe the claims against Menguele I suppose, which is another revisionist matter.

          Certainly anyone who believes the lamp shade or soap from Jews claims needs to do some revisionist research as both were created by the PWD, along with the “shrunken heads”.

          Whether you are a revisionist or not you should read Daniel Lerner’s “Sykewar

          : Psychological Warfare Against Germany, D-Day to Ve-Day
          “, published in 1949 and written by a member of the U.S Psychological Warfare Division – aka not a revisionist.

          If you can find it… my ratty copy came from a garage sale after 3 years of searching as I couldn’t find it online or at any book store or library I checked.

          For reference(not available there):

          http://www.amazon.com/Sykewar-Psychological-Warfare-Against-Germany/dp/B000OKSHOC

          Note: There are a few officially “revised” versions of it as well, the original is the best one though.

          It is extremely insightful regardless of your view on the issue, and is great for understanding the propaganda tactics used today.

          But anyways, this would better discussed on one of the many Nazi/WWII/Holocaust videos around here so I’ll stop taking this off-topic here.

        • Johnny

          Based on the Auschwitz survivor testimony I have personally seen collected by the Shoah Foundation and Stephen Spielberg in which numerous inmates mentioned the ‘quality’ medical care there… I wouldn’t have minded being treated there – if those inmates were being honest.

          It comes down to whether you believe the claims against Menguele I suppose, which is another revisionist matter.

          Certainly anyone who believes the lamp shade or soap from Jews claims needs to do some revisionist research as both were created by the PWD, along with the “shrunken heads”.

          Whether you are a revisionist or not you should read Daniel Lerner’s “Sykewar

          : Psychological Warfare Against Germany, D-Day to Ve-Day
          “, published in 1949 and written by a member of the U.S Psychological Warfare Division – aka not a revisionist.

          If you can find it… my ratty copy came from a garage sale after 3 years of searching as I couldn’t find it online or at any book store or library I checked.

          For reference(not available there):

          http://www.amazon.com/Sykewar-Psychological-Warfare-Against-Germany/dp/B000OKSHOC

          Note: There are a few officially “revised” versions of it as well, the original is the best one though.

          It is extremely insightful regardless of your view on the issue, and is great for understanding the propaganda tactics used today.

          But anyways, this would better discussed on one of the many Nazi/WWII/Holocaust videos around here so I’ll stop taking this off-topic here.

  • Johnny

    @
    Luayursula – Haha, sorry I go a bit overboard with the writing sometimes, I can’t help it really it’s a subject of great interest to me and takes up 90% of my typically hyper-active thinking, whether I want it to or not, lol. To summarize: – I agree completely that people should not be punished for thinking or stating an opinion of any kind; – I do think you should be careful as just stating that the numbers may be exaggerated and it is used for political agenda’s as you have here could possibly be punishable in some countries… – The fact people are punished for openly discussing the Holocaust is digusting and is a big problem, and to solve it requires ‘Holocaust revisionism’ and an understanding of the issues behind it all. – Only if we truly understand the real history of those events(WWI and WWII in general) can we even begin to solve the problems of today in places like Palestine especially, but across the whole world generally.Revisionism is so important because simply by pointing out the issues with the official histories we force the “mainstream” to either investigate it better themselves or just come up with excuses for those issues – and those increasingly ridiculous excuses usually do more for promoting the revisionist cause than anything else.Anyways, my family will be arriving shortly so I’ll do everyone a favor and shut-up for a while, lol.

  • Dillon

    Lol @ this Johnny/Ellie guy

  • Dillon

    Lol @ this Johnny/Ellie guy

    • Johnny

      Could you be even more blatant please, it’s not obvious enough you are a troll yet.