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The Trouble With Atheism
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The Trouble With Atheism
June 14th, 2010
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The Trouble with Atheism is an hour-long documentary on atheism, presented by Rod Liddle. It aired on Channel 4 in December 2006. The documentary focuses on criticizing atheism, as well as science, for its perceived similarities to religion, as well as arrogance and intolerance. The programme includes interviews with a number of prominent scientists, including atheists Richard Dawkins and Peter Atkins and Anglican priest John Polkinghorne. It also includes an interview with Ellen Johnson, the president of American Atheists.

Liddle begins the documentary by surveying common criticisms of religion, and particularly antireligious arguments based on the prevalence of religious violence. He argues that the “very stupid human craving for certainty and justification”, not religion, is to blame for this violence, and that atheism is becoming just as dogmatic as religion.

In order to support his thesis, Liddle presents numerous examples of actions and words by atheists which he argues are direct parallels of religious attitudes. He characterizes Atkins and Dawkins as “fundamentalist atheists” and “evangelists”.

In response to atheistic appeals to science as a superior method for understanding the world than religion, Liddle argues that science itself is akin to religion: “the problem for atheists is that science may not be as far away from religion as you might imagine”.

He describes Fermilab, a U.S. Department of Energy National Laboratory focused on particle physics, as a “temple to science”, and characterizes Charles Darwin’s The Origin of Species as a “sacred text” for atheists.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Vladimir-Rakic/515057908 Vladimir Rakic

    The problem with atheism is that it claims there is no God with absolute certainty, while it ignores scientific evidence on the contrary. They only pick out the parts of science that go along with there view, and then they have the audacity to claim their view is purely scientific.

    Science has always been the study of the observable physical world, it’s regulation on its field of study is clearly only limited in the materialistic, therefore excludes the capabilities to study anything beyond it.

    Even though science has this limitation it still proves mathematically that at least the possibility of existence beyond only the materialistic world is highly plausible. Different dimensions have been speculated to be possible by almost forms of universal theories that came out of the school of physics( theory of relativity, string theory…etc). In fact, if we look at the calculations of black holes we can see a very interesting result. Black holes are theoretical phenomenon in the universe where time and matter collapses on itself, in order to create a sort of vacuum where the calculation states that both time and space are infinite in the other side of this so-called vacuum, which completely suggest the existence of a different dimension with different laws than of our physical world. This is basically what all religions that have survived to this day claim God or Gods to be in, since almost all of them claim they are beyond the physical and that they exist outside the concept of time.

    Although there is no way of proving this to the utmost degree, neither is the perspective of the atheist, and that is why this documentary makes an interesting point. Science, especially through Darwin has created a philosophy of Social Darwinism that goes beyond the scientific truths behind, and turns it into a moral system, almost a religion that has its ground on the concept of survival of the fittest. This is where believing that one race is superior to the other, and competition between brothers stems from, and has created a culture where selfishness is more highly respected than selflessness, and therefore has turned the behavior of humans away from its natural needs of altruism that are contained in all major religions, and replaced it with a competitive view of human interaction and that is why just as the the state and religion should be separated, also spirituality and science need to be separated.

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    • Timmuh

      You don’t know what atheism is. Atheism doesn’t pertain to knowledge, but to belief. Atheists NEVER claim there is NO god. You, as a theist, say there is a god and his name is xxx, and i say, as an atheist, I don’t believe you, and won’t believe you until you can provide some evidence to back up your claims. Theism is the assertion that a god is real. Atheism is simply the rejection of that claim until some evidence is presented. Moving on: You write that science is limited to only studying the material world. You, me and all the scientists of the world have absolutely NO knowledge of anything other than the material world, so why assume it exists. Before you assert it, you need to provide evidence for it. Moving, moving on: There is absolutely no relationship between atheism and Darwinism. An atheist can deny evolution and still be an atheist and some atheists do just that. Moreover, evolution does not make the assertion that one race is superior to another, but even if it did, so what? The fact that you and I wouldn’t like it doesn’t make it untrue. In conclusion, it’s not about what is possible it’s about what is probable. And there probably isn’t a god.

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      • Vladimirrakic

        First of all I never said I was a theistic, secondly if you belief in the possibility of God your an agnostic, they belief in the possibility of God, while atheist exclude it. And finally, I just showed the possibly from a scientific perspective that the possibility of an existance beyond the material is is possible, but that science is to limited in its scope of study to even take it into consideration.

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        • timmuh

          Thanks for getting back to me, but I still have to say no. Atheists do not exclude the possibility that there is a god. They reject the claim that there is a particular god. Atheism pertains to belief in that he/she will say to the theist, “I don’t believe that you have made your case and so I will refrain from believing until you do so.” Agnosticism pertains to knowledge, in that the agnostic is simply saying I don’t know.

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  • teahouse.

    Hmm… perhaps Richard Dawkins might be the root of all evil? A scientist – not a theologian, not a philosopher, not anyone with any sociological or religious studies background – AND not one to be making sweeping social statements about religious convictions.

    As both a scientist and Christian, it seems as though we are faced with a choice in life. There is not much material certainty on either side — quite similar what God states in the Bible. But if serving the LORD seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your forefathers served beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living. But as for me and my household, we will serve the LORD.’ (Joshua 25:15)

    Good Documentary. 

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    • timmuh

      Given that the bible is such an unreliable historical source and in direct conflict with what we know about the natural world, your aforementioned choice is an easy one to make.

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      • Seraph

        All historical sources are unreliable.

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    • TYLER STURGESS

       But as for me and my household, we will serve the LORD.’ (Joshua 25:15)
      I fucking hate that verse my mom always uses it as her explanation as to why I have to go to church when I am an atheist. only 6 more months ^.^

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  • Reed

    This bloke is totally full of shit. His arguments are un-based and close-minded like most arguments made by creationists.  He really has no idea about the idea of atheism and is guilty of the same bullshit that he uses his unfair editing to draw from the few extremist atheist.  He slowly and clearly outlines why atheist ideas exist then rebuts them by interrupting rudely and throwing his non-fact based crap at his interviewees.

    I was looking for an honest, interesting & intelligent criticism of atheism and this doco failed on all fronts.

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    • Seraph

      Or perhaps it hits to close to home for you?

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  • http://www.homepagedaily.com Simon Moore

    I have not even begun to watch this documentary and yet I am already witnessing the inane and persistent commentary that seems so inherently tied to internet discussion beneath. Atheist, Monotheist, Polytheist, who gives a fuck, how about just examining the same traditional mundane discussions and arguments with a fresh look and entertaining some new debate that does not fall into the same two sided bullshit? Alas I fear this documentary also falls into the same trap as most of you have. but we shall see! 

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  • Ranum

    Haha what a moron! This guy doesn’t even understand basic things like: proving the negative is A LOT more complicated than proving the positive. I hate when people lack the intelligence it takes, to handle documentaries like this one. Like the retarded Ben Stein documentary etc.

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  • dont call me atheist

    The ultra-rational wing isn’t doing any good to the rest of us who also don’t believe in a god. They’re just there to have their public appearances an interviews edited so they can be painted as lunatics (which some of them are not far from) and make everyone else who doesn’t believe in a god look like a science-nazi.

    At any rate, even though I do think atheism is turning into a religion to a lot of people (that’s why I say ‘I don’t believe in a god’ instead), this doc is feeble and far from unbiased.

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  • Ranum

    Well, that was terrible. How did this man ever win anything…

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