Over 10,000 young girls are being groomed for sex by men of Pakistani origin here in the United Kingdom. The media cover it up, the police are afraid to prosecute over it and politicians lie about it. What chance do the young girls really have?
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Here in Canada it’s paki’s and hindu’s. Scourge of our nation. 🙁
Disgusting apologist propaganda nonsense that tried to make the “Asian community” look like the victims. No real emphasis on the true victims here – the girls. They show how closely knit them pakis are but not one of them spoke out for decades whilst this went on. The BBC, or non-British Bolshevik Communists have a thing for hiding and apologising for rapists and paedophiles don’t they. Time to stop paying your license fee like me.
In Australia we have exact the same problem although it is Lebanese Muslims. The only difference is the race but sadly the religion is the same. What is it about the Muslim religion that promotes this sort of violence and disrespect towards women??
The level of hate and bigotry in these comments and the little notes that kept popping up during the documentary is really hard to read. And so i am not directing my comment towards the content of the documentary but the comments that I found just as interesting. I am not from England, so obviously this is not as close to home for me and I do to have the same understanding of this issue as some of the people who come from these areas. However that being said, racism is racism. full stop and is a universal issue. The man in this documentary is -from my opinion- portraying a genuine level of interest in wanting to understand the issue of “Asian” men grooming “white” YOUNG women for sex. There are so many complex and loaded issues surrounded in this topic so lets just stick with the race one. On a number of occasions this journalist self identified as a English-Pakistani Muslim man, same as the men committing these crimes. From what I could see he was just as horrified and disgusted by the actions of these men and wanted to get a full understanding of why it was such an issue in his community and how to really address the problem. And that my friends is how change is created in the world, by putting aside any of your preconceived ideas and opening your mind to really learn something about other people.
This is happening all over England, these filthy paki bastards grooming our children, nothing seems to get done about it, i expect its a racial matter, or non PC, but if it was the other way round there would be riots, those paki bastards make me want to puke,
Aisha the Child Wife of
Muhammad
The thought of an old man becoming aroused
by a child is one of the most disturbing thoughts that makes us cringe as it
reminds us of pedophilia and the most despicable people. It is difficult to accept that the Holy Prophet
married Aisha when she was 6-years-old and consummated his marriage with her
when she was 9. He was then, 54 years old.
Sahih
Muslim Book 008, Number 3310:
‘A’isha (Allah be pleased with her)
reported: Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six
years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years
old.Sahih
Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64
Narrated ‘Aisha:that the
Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his
marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for
nine years (i.e., till his death).Sahih
Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65Narrated ‘Aisha:that the
Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage
when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that ‘Aisha
remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death).” what you know
of the Quran (by heart)’
Sahih
Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88 Narrated ‘Ursa:The Prophet
wrote the (marriage contract) with ‘Aisha while she was six years old and
consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained
with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).
Some Muslims claim that it was Abu Bakr who
approached Muhammad asking him to marry his daughter. This is of course not true
and here is the proof.
Sahih
Bukhari 7.18Narrated ‘Ursa:The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for
‘Aisha’s hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said “But I am your brother.” The Prophet
said, “You are my brother in Allah’s religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is
lawful for me to marry.”
Arabs were a primitive lot with little rules
to abide. Yet they had some code of ethics that they honored scrupulously. For
example, although they fought all the year round, they abstained from
hostilities during certain holy months of the year. They also considered Mecca
to be a holy city and did not make war against it. A adopted son’s wife was
deemed to be a daughter in law and they would not marry her. Also it was
customary that close friends made a pact of brotherhood and considered each
other as true brothers. The Prophet disregarded all of these rules anytime they
stood between him and his interests or whims.
Abu Bakr and Muhammad had pledged to each
other to be brothers. So according to their costoms Ayesha was supposed to be
like a niece to the Holy Prophet. Yet that did not stop him to ask her hand even
when she was only six years old.
But this moral
relativist Prophet would use the same excuse to reject a woman he did not
like.
Sahih Bukhari V.7, B62, N. 37Narrated Ibn ‘Abbas:It was
said to the Prophet, “Won’t you marry the daughter of Hamza?” He said, “She is
my foster niece (brother’s daughter). ”
Hamza and Abu Bakr both were the foster
brothers of Muhammad. But Ayesha must have been too pretty for the Prophet to
abide by the codes of ethics and custom.
In the following Hadith he confided to
Ahesha that he had dreamed of her before soliciting her from her father.
Sahih Bukhari 9.140Narrated
‘Aisha:Allah’s Apostle said to me, “You were shown to me twice (in my dream)
before I married you. I saw an angel carrying you in a silken piece of cloth,
and I said to him, ‘Uncover (her),’ and behold, it was you. I said (to myself),
‘If this is from Allah, then it must happen.
Whether Muhammad had actually such dream or he just said it to please
Ayesha is not the point. What matters here is that it indicates that Ayesaha was
a baby being “carried” by an angel when the Prophet dreamed of her.
There are numerous hadithes that explicitly reveal the age of Ayesha
at the time of her marriage. Here are some of them.
Sahih
Bukhari 5.236.Narrated Hisham’s father:Khadija died three
years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so
and then he married ‘Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he
consumed that marriage when she was nine years old.
Sahih
Bukhari 5.234Narrated Aisha:
The Prophet engaged me when I
was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of
Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my
hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a
swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not
knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand
at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became
Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took
me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, “Best
wishes and Allah’s Blessing and a good luck.” Then she entrusted me to them and
they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah’s Apostle came to me in
the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl
of nine years of age.
And in another Hadith we read.
Sunan
Abu-Dawud Book 41, Number 4915, also
Number 4916 and
Number 4917 Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu’minin:The Apostle of Allah
(peace_be_upon_him) married me when I was seven or six. When we came to Medina,
some women came. according to Bishr’s version: Umm Ruman came to me when I was
swinging. They took me, made me prepared and decorated me. I was then brought to
the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him), and he took up cohabitation with me
when I was nine. She halted me at the door, and I burst into
laughter.
In the above hadith we read that Ayesha was
swinging, This is a play of little girls not grown up people. The following
Hadith is particularly interesting because it shows that Ayesha was so small
that was not aware what was going on when the Holy Prophet “surprised” her by
going to her.
Sahih
Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 90 Narrated Aisha:When the
Prophet married me, my mother came to me and made me enter the house (of the
Prophet) and nothing surprised me but the coming of Allah’s Apostle to me in the
forenoon.
Must have been quite a surprise! But the
following is also interesting because it demonstrates that she was just a kid
playing with her dolls. Pay attention to what the interpreter wrote in the
parenthesis. (She was a little girl, not yet reached the age of
puberty)
Sahih
Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 151 Narrated ‘Aisha:I used to
play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also
used to play with me. When Allah’s Apostle used to enter (my dwelling place)
they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play
with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was
allowed for ‘Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the
age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13)
Sahih
Muslim Book 008, Number 3311’A’isha (Allah be pleased with her)
reported that Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was
seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and
her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen
years old.
The holy Prophet died when he was
63. So he must have married Ayesha when he as 51 and went to her when he was
54.
Sahih
Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 33 Narrated ‘Aisha:I never felt
so jealous of any woman as I did of Khadija, though she had died three years
before the Prophet married me, and that was because I heard him mentioning her
too often, and because his Lord had ordered him to give her the glad tidings
that she would have a palace in Paradise, made of Qasab and because he used to
slaughter a sheep and distribute its meat among her friends.
Khadija died in December of 619 AD. That
is two years before Hijra. At that time the Prophet was 51-years-old. So in the
same year that Khadija died the prophet married Ayesha and took her to his home
3 years later, i.e. one year after Hijra. But until she grow up he married Umm
Salama.
In another part Ayesha claims that as long
as she remembers her parents were always Muslims.
Sahih
Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 245
Narrated ‘Aisha:
(the wife of the Prophet) I never
remembered my parents believing in any religion other than the true religion
(i.e. Islam),
This is very little to do with race but is everything to do with attitudes towards females. If these men viewed women and girls as more than property to be married or a sex toy and thought of them as humans then it wouldn’t happen.
What do you not get? It is exactly your sort of talk that has allowed the problem to get to what it is today. The reality is men of pakistani origin(not chinese indian mongolian or african etc) who make up less than 1% of the uk population are responsible for around 25% of sex crimes against under age and often most vulnerable white girls. Talk real or shut up and go hug a tree because we as a civilised society have a responsibility to protect these young girls. You not accepting facts means the abuse continues.
The word RACE keeps on being used. People do not seem to understand what Race or Race Group means. Race is not a religion, Chinese people could be Muslim, Latino South Americans could be Muslim. Race is not a country where you are from – British are not a race, Canadians are not a race.
A better word would be CULTURE. Pakistani people would be said to have a Pakistani culture.
They keep saying the majority of sex offenders are white, of course they are, whites make up 89 percent of the population. Pakistanis make up around 1.5 -2 percent yet they are responsible for around 25 percent of these crimes. This means they have a disproportianate tendancy towards sex crimes. Their culture is not compatible with ours.
http://www.google.com/trends?q=child+sex&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0
http://wn.com/pakistan_is_at_number_1_in_searching_porn_at_google
So then, hmmm. I’m sure you can be a nice shiny Pakistani with good values, just stay away from the internet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULE8v5ftqBI&feature=player_embedded#!
You can’t trust a Paki. Plain and simple. Fawkers are back stabbing American and NATO troops. They use women to get into North America. They need to be kicked…and hard.
I think this is the last episode of the series?
Anyone watch the one with white priests, teachers, politicians, next door neighbour, mums boyfriends…?
Firstly, it’s the BBC. Secondly, it’s Jack the Strawman. Then, most surprising of all, it’s Alan Watt.
The BBC, Jack the Strawman and the reporter know a whole heap more about child sexploitation than the general population could ever suspect. How many of those 75% involved in these activities (i.e. non Pakistani) are Romanian Jews, for example? And Yentob will forever be branded in my mind in association with the British BS Casting of dark spells. And is it not the Talmud which emphasises the insignificance of raping a white child or any child from aged 3? Does the Christian Bible do this, or the Quran? Not directly, no. But each do honour slavery in service to the divine right of kings or landlords or god. A vengeful god – hater of womb-and-kind.
These archaic religions, which value cattle above females are but the preferred method of feudalistic empirical control and why Libya, the Middle East and Africa are being bombed back to the dark ages. So much progress had been made … well in advance of our so called civilised West. But Pakistan was and remains a brutal region, where Sharia Law is by letter, not spirit and is little different than Talmudic law. Such laws are becoming visible under judicial reforms.
This nation has been forced to embrace every conceivable backward culture into it’s bosom. Those women, genitally mutilated shop and live among us every day. As do those girls dreading an enforced rape through marriage with family blessings; the ultimate betrayal. Amid this, our young strive to survive, to learn and grow. Increasingly without trust or hope.
And it is due to the apparatus of the likes of the BBC and is due to the vehicle of the likes of Jack Straw that such atrocities have been perpetrated.
Whilst I understand the context and content of the Alan Watt add on at the end, I do not think it is entirely appropriate to tag it on to such a directly nationalistic motivation of the poster. This is the voice of Jack Straw and The BBC, get a grip. Despite the fantastic ruling that 7/7 Ripple Effect was authentic and it’s findings true by court of law, ‘four muslim suicide bombers’ are stil phantomly held responsible on all mainstream broadcast media. It makes me laugh in disbelief. Jack Straw’s shadows are stormy, dark and dangerous. Vampyre, my dear. So I have to say that this presentation achieved its objective in appealing to those eejits who are happier punching the Pakis then lynching the likes of Straw.
White men, pay attention to your women! Wake up and realise the potential within yourselves and your duty to honour and protect women and children.
Your user name is beyond appropriate considering your statement.
White British women, especially young girls, are potrayed in fashion and media as vamptramps. This reflection, they dutifully emulate. For many who lack imagination or circumstantial opportunity, the allure of the exotic overcomes any caution; they are not trained to be either aware or sufficiently wary. Their parents have failed. Their education has failed. When young and innocent, the belief in invicibility and ‘miracles’ is strong, flavoured through the lense of a lying media. So what types constitute the 75% of grooming sex traders, rapists and pimps?
So I’m a few seconds into the intro and the sensationalistic tone of the reporting triggers me into the responsibility of calling into play the backdrop for such realities, together with the ultimate aim in this type of highly selective documentation. Another angle on the relentless imprint of anti-Islamic themes, whilst human trafficking, drugs, arms and war are legion and worldwide. All, emanating from earlier empires but more recently snug within the private enclaves of City of London and Washington DC, the ‘war on drugs’ ‘war on crime’ and ‘war on terror’ no less, are being dumped on the door of the inevitable result of centuries of emperic rule. Pakistan is a hotbed for ‘terrorist’ (read military trained guerillas) training and activity. The Brits only ‘liberated’ those nations firmly under thier style of administration and this is the result. Look how they treat their own women; the thought of a woman’s family having to pay a dowry is ludicrous. The dowry once paid, makes the wife disposable. The dowry if too small, makes the wife disposable. Either way, she is forced to live under the mercy of her mother in law in permanent bondage. A life of abject misery. And here, with young white girls in mini skirts, high heels, out for ‘adventure’ and alcohol, perhaps vulnerable at home or in ‘care’, they are seen as sluts, ripe for the picking in a society which simply doesn’t care, has given up on its youth.
The colour of the skin should not impact the underlying problem that exists in our society… grown adults and teenage children. It is not race or religion, it has happened since the start of society. We are all animals first, social animals second. Only some have the strength of mind to suppress their animal instinct. There are many young boys that get groomed by older women however this is socially acceptable as a young males passage into manhood… and is rarely reported as rape. Society has double standards and finger pointing at race or religion is not going to resolve anything.
If your not part of the solution you ARE the problem.
i know i’m gonna get a lot shit for my words but this is my thinking. i’m not smart nor stupid but i can tell this influences a lot of people like myself. to address problems of racism, you have to convince me and other stupid people why we are wrong and really point out, why not should we deport one culture out or look down upon… and i know they are human beings but in that sentence cultures collide… i wish i would not see the difference but i do… i guess i lived in that enviroment and so many other people too.. from my perspective its a problem which is here to stay and there is no way to get rid of it and it makes me sad..
this is why racism exists. because differend cultures just dont meet in middle. im speaking from myself that i just dont want to meet people who have differend cultures.. i just dont want to do it because i feel insecure. i dont want to know anything about their culture nor i even care about learning it and i dont really see a reason why i should because i dont have interest to even begin with. and even tho i would not feel insecure, i would not give an effort to even learn because i just dont care. basic thing is that if you move to a differend culture, you better learn the behaviors of it, or face the music, because its sad reality that if small minority does something extreme or brutal, i secure myself from everyone from that culture. i know its close-minded but i just dont simply care. i feel safe in my own culture and that is enought for me to live happy and secure
Pakistani pedos and dumb sluts. That’s Birmingham for you.
Let’s not misuse terms here. It isn’t being done by men from a certain country; it’s being done by men of a certain religion. Find me a single Pakistani man who bases his world view on the works of Paine, Jefferson, Voltaire and Locke who acts like these men do, and I’ll eat my hat.
This is beyond disgusting & outrageous. What these men are doing is horrific. I agree that the use of the label Asian is inappropriate here. This is something that men of a specific nationality are perpetrating. Chinese, Japanese & other Asians living in the UK shouldn’t be stigmatized nor should the widespread discomfort surrounding the fact that Pakistani men are doing this enable perpetrators to hide behind a blanket term like Asian & spare their community any responsibility. The sexual exploitation of women & girls is hardly new: as was pointed out, white men commit these crimes (including molestation & incest) with alarming frequency (yet somehow the white ‘race’ & white cultures are spared either stigma or critique).
The discussion focuses on race, miseducation, shame, outrage & the sexually repressive Pakistani culture. In Pakistan apparently, ‘family values’ dictate that a girl’s virginity is to be ‘protected’ at all costs. That isn’t about protecting women: it is about family honour, suspicion of female sexuality & the twisted fact that the entire burden for the honour of patriarchs lies between the legs of young girls! What of woen who aren’t virgins? Rape is rampant in Pakistan as well; only the blame for these crimes is placed squarely upon the shoulders of the victims for having ‘allowed’ this to happen to them.
From forced ‘virginity tests’ carried out recently on Egyptian female protesters to the amputation of female genitalia to the widespread use of rape as a tool of oppression in Libya to Western internet pedophile rings & western men using drugs to facilitate rape, women & girls (& many young boys as well!) the world over are victimized.
The existence of widespread blanket MISOGYNY is the key issue. Another is that justice systems in general are slow to change & the laws were put in place largely by men & reflect their widespread sexist attitudes. ‘Emma’ was unable to receive justice of any kind. Another contributing factor is classism: these girls all come from the lower social strata of UK society: if a gang of Pakistani men kidnapped & gang-raped a white politician’s daughter, justice (& widespread outrage, immigration reform, sentencing guideline reform & unfortunately racially motivated attacks) would be swift indeed! These white girls’ lack of value as low status people is apparent. Impoverished women the world over make easy victims.
At one point in the documentary, the journalist & another man toured the neighbourhood at night pointing out the presence of white prostitutes loitering on street corners. Pakistani men (those poor victims of confusion) cannot tell who are prostitutes are & who the club-goers are. WHAT?!? The victims in this doc. were deceived & groomed over an extensive period; lied to, deceived & raped. The rapists knew that these were not prostitutes. Even if they HAD been: you cannot kidnap & rape a sex-trade worker! How a girl is dressed is often used as an apologetic for rape or assault: witness that 8 yr old Israeli girl who was spit upon on her way to school by grown Hasidic men because she was allegedly dressed inappropriately. Stop making excuses for yourselves & each other: misogyny amongst men & boys is the root cause of these horrors.
At ‘kissmygritz’, does that justify these kinds of acts as some kind of pay back? I don’t think so, mate.
All what these people are doing is doing the same thing white people have done to anyone of color for thousands of years, Fucking them over~
I am a British Asian muslim girl and I find this disgusting. At ‘A Pearson’, you have made a strong point about how muslims need to do more to prevent any more of this. The community is scared to speak up which is pathetic.
Muslims? The leftists like Annie Longjohns above will claim that it’s a “human” problem, thus diluting any blame so nothing gets done. Fear of racism trumps any feminist concerns.
@Zara: I agree with you but it is more complex than that. I know a middle aged Pakistani woman (well educated & affluent) whose son stood accused of having given a young adult white female ‘friend’ a lift home in his car after a party & then raping her. The woman was indignant: “Why are they ‘persecuting’ my son? It’s the girl’s fault for wandering around at night & getting into a car with a man!” Her friends ‘sagely’ nodded.
There’s something very wrong with the way some mothers within the community are raising their sons: they play a complicit role in their boys developing a misogynistic attitude as well as their learning to devalue any woman who is not a cloistered Pakistani virgin (or their mother!). This too must change.
This is typical muslim behavior where the young non-muslim female, often the most vulnerable and from a poor social background are targeted. We need to target those groups that are responsible and hit them hard. The so called decent muslim majority also need to do much more before it is too late.
I wish the media stop overusing the term ‘ASIAN’. This program is about grooming of young white girls by young men of pakistani origin and need to make that clearer. The term asian is so misleading and does little to effectively pinpoint the offending group so something can be done.
Asian pedo gangs raping underage white girls and half the time the programme presenter is worrying/discussing ”racism”