ECETI Ranch represents a microcosmic reality of a world-wide collective phenomenon.
The owner of the ranch, James Gilliland, maintains to have experienced UFO related phenomena, including contact with extra-terrestrials, for over 30 years. In addition to his experiences, thousands of guests gravitate to the ranch every year and attest personal accounts of seeing ships, meeting off-world visitors, and healing parts of themselves in a place they call “home”.
This film is a candid look at the people and the place that create Enlightened Contact with Extraterrestrial Intelligence. After spending several months at ECETI sharing with James, ranch staff, and guests — the MapMakers reveal new insights about a rapidly expanding universe in an era of global uncertainty.
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ray you fucking muppet. i believe in these things way before any imaginary being called god, and any bullshit spewed by any paedo politician
why cant people in here just comment if the fucking documentaries are entertaining to watch or not and shut da fuck up thats all i want to know
Actually nvm I’m half way in and this is bonkers, the comments are right. Spooky.
I agree
this is such a lie!! If there are UFOs then how come any telescope, any astronut that has traveled to the moon, or any machine sent out there has seen any??? hmmm think about it…. no official government repors of UFO sightingshave been made
SET PHASERS FOR SHITE!!!!!!!!!!!!
its a cult. i have spent much time there. good but naive people living there. he treats them like crap, everyone stressed and he sits back and eats up the attention. ego tripper. try to discuss anything with the guy and his only solution is to call on some being to answer the questions..totally insecure.. he either walks away or he dismisses you.he is well insulated and only appears to want to talk to the ladies (he liked my girlfriend plenty, totally dismissive to me) he is no researcher, just another ego driven pseudo cult leader pretending to be a ‘simple guy’ . land is nice. place is a shithole. met lots of nice people. feel sorry for the ‘eceti family’ they are a bunch of lost souls from my view, they all seemed really tired. interesting no one has been there more than a few years. thought he has been around for 20+… suspect dude all the way.doesnt look anyone in the eye and lives like a slob. (the house was disgusting – i was invited inside) undecided about the activity there, the main event seems to be the pony tail dude mainly.
It’s quite a leap from Mysterious lights in the sky, which have been reported for eons with varying interpretations, to visits from mystical guides in spacecraft somehow selecting this particular group to be of such special importance to the future of the human race. No matter what the members tell themselves about what they are doing, the group dynamics involved are the same as any other fascist cult which claims special spiritual knowledge, has delusions of persecution by enemies because of their special knowledge, and claims everyone else is programmed and deluded.
This group will eventually become more paranoid and closed, and ultimately self-destructive. That’s what happens when groups assign themselves a special status based on fantasies of a grand purpose or destiny, adhere to the irrational worldview of a charismatic leader, and view the outside world with increasing suspicion and disdain.Wait and see.
Two words: Heaven’s Gate
Cult is not a mere dismissive pejorative but describes a provable phenomenon, unlike “spiritual advancement guided by alien entities,” which is really a bunch of make-believe. Intelligence or capability in handling real world tasks has nothing to do with this. Cults are often joined by very capable, intelligent people.
What’s happening here is a group of people who admit that they have never felt they belonged, finding something that makes them feel not only less lonely, but of central importance to the universe, based on fantasies.
This is nothing new, we’ve seen it all before.
People continue to join Fascist cults despite the revelations of group psychosis and mutual destruction year after year. I expect this group to ultimately find itself in serious trouble, with its paranoid delusions and delusions of grandeur at being the recipients of special wisdom from “higher” entities whose existence is in no way demonstrated outside of their own mutually affirming group.
I think lables like “cult”….or “UFO cult” are very easy ways to ridicule things, or others without any serious effort. If you are going to denounce these gentle folks, at least have the balls to meet them or visit Trout Lake yourself. having said that, I was curious about the clip (in the film) where it was stated that some scientists were claiming that gas emmisions were causing these frequent light “abberrations”. I was curious if there was any merit to this, or is it just another “bluebook” debunking tool-hmmm…sound suspusciously like “swamp gas” which…oh please!!
-mark, Fairview, OR.
was very skeptical in the beginning. then just loved it.
I can’t say I belive or disbelive the whole UFO phenomena, but what I find very hard to stomache is all the new age energy wooly head stuff. Lots of people looking for something and latching on to UFO’s as a answer. Pretty sad really but harmless in a childish kind of way.
Absolute nonsense. “They come in from the Pleaides, Orion and the Andromedas. This fool doesn’t have an inkling of what a constellation is, and doesn’t appreciate the difference between a constellation and a galaxy. And that’s at FOUR MINUTES in. Wow. What other pearls of reheated new age bollox can we expect?
I am very glad for this documentary and to see what is happening at the ECETI Ranch. The world needs more of this and that is an understatement. The paradigm is inspiring and from where I am here in Montana, I am moved to take my own practice to a deeper level. I can not thank you enough for putting this on the internet!
disappointed 🙁
i warn people against embracing aliens as saviours, the consciousness that built the pyramids that are found all over the world is still here within the elite, it has always sacrificed and enslaved people to maintain power at the cost of the natural world in this sense its alien to earth. im australian aboriginal and of us who remember the stories remember that they say a race of 8 foot humanoid giants tried to enslave us but we thought in our bellys and not in our minds so they were not able to make us their slaves and had to go some were else. i ask what can can extraterrestrial do for you nothing. except maybe the experience of seeing the lights and the craft and the mystery of it can make one open to the mystery of the world and ones own being, because if a person is open to what they dont know then they can learn and such an experience can help make a person open. any healing that happens any comes from the power of the people and that power they receive from the conciousnesses that make us.which is within the earth the sun the sea the moon many powers separate but one they divide from one that divides infinitely then those divisions come together as individual concious powers that and make and sustain life we are one of those divisions we get our life from these powers that manifest as the universe not from aliens this is what the native people around the world i have spoke with remember. this year while i was living in the amazon jungle i spoke with a friend on the phone in oz he said on oct 21 2011 make shore im up high because of earth change i said here there is no time just night and day and life is beautiful i also said but why fear when its my time to die destiny will lead me to be at the right place right time and in this we share and are connected to with all life sovereignty personal power, respect and compassion for all life because with all of creation we are all equal this is the way to peace and freedom
How do you guys explain their UFO contact videos? They are all admitting direct experience with the energies and UFOs. Does this really sound that crazy? They mentioned the term “stranger than fiction?” How real is our reality?
respect to peoples experience and the belief systems they get from them, every humans perspective has value but the self importance that comes with it dosnt. be open but always question. dont follow any one claiming they are chosen and there mission is to save you,we have all the answers we need inside and the truth of that is reflected in the outer world which on observation one clearly sees that all life is birthed with natural intelligence and every part every life that we share our reality with has this allowing and teaching all these different life forms who feed of each other and therefore depend on each other to exist, to live in harmony and balance, this understanding is within us and within the world around us, nobody needs to be saved some people need to be healed, we all need to evolve . And finally anyone who says you need to drink poison or cut your wrists so you can hitch a ride on a passing space craft is insane i hope you never encounter such a person and if you do i hope your realize that they are mad peace
again, if anyone here actually watched the film. IT IS ABOUT SELF MASTERY, each individual is there own master. No guru, no groupthink, no ‘way’. That is what eceti is about. No one CAN save anyone. the entire message of the documentary is just that. SELF RESPONSIBILITY – in all aspects. ANYONE that comes to the ranch looking for someone to tell them what to do or try to follow a program are quickly schooled that we are not here for that and the over zealous looking for something or someone to follow are always turned away. It is the core of who we are but let me be clear, We are not a group or an organization, we dont want anyone to follow anything we say. But we are here for people who want to here our stories and share there own. It was clearly stated in the documentary: we are simply individuals on a path. Period. Stop with all the group cult projection, that has NOTHING to do with ECETI. Anyone that has actually been here knows that and the documentary supports that as well. Listen to what we are saying, its none of what is being suggested and that is programming.
The programming is apparent. Drink poison??? WTF… That is programming straight out of the news (ala Heavens Gate) That is obvious. Do you see it? Where else could it be coming from? You think these are original responses? Why are there accusations of cult, drug use, etc… all of that is programming. There is no reference, no fact and no evidence supporting this crap. It is programming. It is projection. It is judgement. And I contend it is fear. Its nothing new.
First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win . by Mahatma Gandhi.
“Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance.” —Albert Einstein
Own your own mind, do some real research and find out for yourself. Have an informed opinion and avoid empty projection. What if what I am saying is all true, wouldnt it be worth it to actually KNOW instead of BELIEVE. Experience is the only way to achieve this.
LOVE!
self importance and ignorance are the enemy of man kind, it is what causes us to be offended and is what makes us harm ourselfs and the ones we love and the world we live on, if you think that telling people to listen to there own hearts , to be open but question, to be aware of false profits who who have lead good people to there death, is a condemnation eciti then i would concluded that it is your lack of understanding and your need for acceptance which manifests and can be identified as self importance which is the cause, it may have come from the specialness of the experience described or viewed in the above doc and your relation to the experience , unfortunately you have failed to see its your self importance that wants acceptance buy what you perceive as the group, and what you perceive as its belief or undestanding and you feel offended when the group or individuals that make it fail to understand or believe your experience, but this failure is really your failure to understand them and their experience or lack of it, and this is what i believe has lead you to this conclusion
another docuheaven film made by the BBC I BELIEVE IN UFO”s came to eceti and had very real experiences. Danny Dyer got blown wide open… in ways he didnt expect the ECETI segment starts at about 45:50. Another interesting account of the ranch….
http://documentaryheaven.com/i-believe-in-ufos/#disqus_thread
I don’t think we can learn anything from these guys! I bet they know how to grow good weed!
that is completely incorrect. It is well known that this is a 100% drug and alcohol free environment here. why would we want people to come here to explore themselves just to have them self medicate and take drugs and alcohol.. what would be the point? that would be a fail.
Pollen! http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread603312/pg2
here is extended footage of what you are referring to.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IigOGiEk8YA
uh… above top secret? really.. a mufon run disinfo site at its finest. great source… :*……… Actually I was there that night the footage you are referring to was filmed, it was visible to the naked eye. brilliant, luminescent, moving, changing, and pulsing with light and energy. the original extended footage has a large group gathered commenting real time on what we are seeing… this was very real. a wonderful experience. The energy around that was amazing… joyful. sorry, it wasnt pollen. I was there. So were about 20 other people many of whom had never been here before. Another fail.
well, someone out there seems a skilled after effects editor… it gets pretty weird around 44 minutes in…
I can assure you, there is no ‘after effects’ editing. the film makers are independent (not from eceti ranch, not a part of it, they are now friends after the time they spent here)
ECETI did not make this film.
It is an independent point of view from independent film makes that have traveled the world and documenting what they see. the other work. THIS FOOTAGE IS RIGHT OUT OF THE CAMERA. (and commonlink productons) its straight footage,
http://www.themapmakers.org and
http://www.commonlinkproductions.org
And what about the tens of thousands who have visited here over the last 25 years? are they all to be disregarded as well? Air force commanders, teachers, doctors, psychologists, lawyers, old, young, all economic levels. There is no ‘type’ that visits the ranch. It is a diverse group of people having very real experiences, many of which are shared in the film. How can that be if this isnt real? Its up to you to deciden, but make sure you have explored with an open mind or you may be missing something amazing in your own life. wherever you are… its not just at the ranch. its worldwide….with all the information and science out there (plus basic reason given the history of this phenomenon) it is statistically impossible that there is no other form of life out there. Its real. I have lived it firsthand… myself and countless others have been touched by this. And let me assure you it takes a tremendous amount of courage and conviction to withstand the ignorance, projection and criticism that gets thrown at anyone who even says the word UFO. It becomes comical at a certain point….as the exact scripted response is clearly written deep in the subconscious minds of the deeply programmed masses. Without much variation….. without fact… without exploration. I have a message for you: THEY ARE HERE, GET OVER IT.
Fuckin trip balls in the woods and watch mountains! “Did you ever stop to think that everything you thought about something is a lie?”-Aging hippie.
you seem like smartest person here. maybe its best to let people live the lie. truth can be really fucking depressing.
WTF?
lovely ranch but i suspect they are exploiting the mentally vulnerable and unstable, perhaps without realising
that said, the ranch is probably a better place for the mentally unstable than most mental hospitals..
Love this….. Watch this and make up your own mind…..
UFO cult nothing more. Dont waste your time watching this
not true. it is not a cult. no one is mentally unstable. it is a diverse group of high integrity, highly intelligent and skilled people-just on an unusual path. its not very original to dismiss something you dont understand and havent seen for yourself. no matter… clearly not for everyone. what did einstein say about condemnation? no matter… to be expected.
From this documentary anyway, they seem neither intelligent nor skilled. And I don’t know if the mentally unstable can be defined as having high integrity, that can be left for the experts. Scary group of people. yikes.
I am in the film. I am 44 years old, a former business owner and I do consider myself an intelligent, skilled and stable person. I think all who know me would agree, even if they dont understand my experiences. If you call following your heart, working hard, living a fulfilled life close to the land and creating a space for others to share experiences scary- then I am sorry for you.
There is absolutely nothing to defend. But because your shallow comments may affect others who have not yet viewed the film, I will comment. I know who I am. I know what I have experienced. I also know that I am very blessed in every way. Seeing people improve there lives and grow into happier more balanced people after opening up to themselves is so rewarding. There is no leader here, no guru, no master other than YOU. I think it was pretty clear in the film that it is about SELF MASTERY. Thats it. The ships come only to open the door. Period. After that it becomes less of the focus… you realize there is so much more to this journey than you have been told.
It happened to me, so why not…..I am independent woman with accomplishments under my belt in the world of ‘social consciousness’ I left that stressful world behind, it was a difficult and courageous thing to do believe it or not…. Best decision I EVER made. Living at the ranch is the kind of life millions of people are trying to figure out how to create for themselves. I am blessed, not stressed.
And furthermore, I am a critical thinker and I read, explore, study and practice each and every day. I have grown as a result of my experiences. Its not beliefs, its knowing. Wisdom. Knowledge that is self generated and not spoon fed….. I dont even believe in beliefs. They are traps (something you may want to explore further) There are always going to be people who wish to dismiss or ridicule (esp in this area, the programming is obvious) Its the same story every time * its a cult * its a money scheme * its fake * its satellites * blah blah blah.. heard it all before. It makes me laugh its so redundant and oddly similiar….but the curious thing is that its always coming from the same place and the same quality of energy: FEAR. Straight up. It scares most people, so they criticize. Just so you know, it makes no difference to those who really know whats up. we just keep on keepin on living, working, growing and sharing. What could be more rewarding or balanced? There will always be those who love to condemn, especially people who seem happy. ‘They MUST be crazy’ all the while the rest of the world gobbles anti depressants and sits back flicking the remote like a zombie each and every night. I would rather be out looking at the stars… call me crazy… 😉 I firmly believe that one by one the sleepers are awakening. From my perspective, once you have knowing and peace inside oneself, there really is nothing to defend. so I accept your ‘opinion’ but I certainly hope that at some point on your journey you open up a bit and start to really experience a expanded window into reality. Trust me, its worth the trip…. LOVE!
You are a pedophile amd a liar. Your business failed and now you attempting to break into the psuedo science market. If anyone wants this guys info, I will post it on my next comment. It’s pretty funny, the eceti group didn’t know I have been following their IP’s.
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I am not scared of anything that is suggested in this documentary. I just know what I see, and what I see is a UFO-cult.
I have a son who joined a UFO cult in the eighties. The ECETI Ranch looks and operates exactlty like one of them.
I am not kidding.
I am scared for the people who are being exploited by the leaders of this cult.
If you are offended by this I really dont care, these groups are psychologically dangerous.
Ah yes, the cult thing again. You know its funny how the judgments and accusations ONLY come from people who have never, and will never visit or be open to these kinds of experiences. not to mention the programming around your sons experience being projected squarely onto us. LOL. its’ ok, its an understandable response. truth is its not really that important in the big scheme of things… each person has a unique path. this is not a necessary an experience for everyone to explore. i fully recognize and respect that.
we are simply LIVING. we work, we play and we happen to have people who visit from all over the world. yes things happen, but it is surprisingly normal. So the exploitation things is hilarious… I just cant for the life of me figure out how someone could come to that conclusion. ce la vie and par for the course. social consciousness and programming is truly a bitch to move beyond. but it is possible….As I said, I am an independently minded person (all 6 of us are so very different) and we dont necessarily agree on perspectives but we do know how to respect others points of view….thats more than I can say for most people…. I cant (and wouldnt want to) change anyones mind if that is what they think or feel, its not really important or necessary to worry about that kind of thing….. There are many others who are sincerely interested in self mastery and evolution. All I can do is do me and share with others if they are interested. I invite you come visit and see for yourself… I guarantee you’ll feel like an idiot for these baseless remarks if you did visit. guaranteed…. 😉
Here is some brain food for you to chew on. be open to it, who knows where it may lead…..:
“If you want to awaken all of humanity, then awaken all of yourself, if you want to eliminate the suffering in the world, then eliminate all that is dark and negative in yourself. Truly, the greatest gift you have to give is that of your own self-transformation.” – Lao Tzu
Your great mistake is to act the drama as if you were alone. To feel abandoned is to deny the intimacies of your surroundings. Surely even you, at times, have felt the grand array, the swelling presence, and the chorus crowding out your solo voice. Put down the weight of your aloneness and ease into the conversation. All the birds and creatures of the world are, unutterably, themselves. Everything … everything … everything … is waiting for you.” ~ (David Whyte)
“Nature loves courage. You make the commitment and nature will respond to that commitment by removing impossible obstacles. Dream the impossible dream and the world will not grind you under, it will lift you up. This is the trick. This is the shamanic dance in the waterfall. This is how magic is done. By hurling yourself into the abyss and discovering its a feather bed.” ― Terence McKenna
The Night SkyThe night sky calls, “Look up! Look up!”Our heads tilt back and our eyes look toward the heavens. We bathe in the wonder and delight we see … then … suddenly we are drawn into new realms and we become the night sky travelers.Curiosity and awe lead the way.We learn as we go following the age old paths seen in the heavens. Discoveries are made, insights flow, and cycles turn.We move through the seasons and the solar system, dancing with the heavenly bodies. The setting sun, the phases of the moon, the stars, the planets, the constellations … all the jewels of the night sky become our friends and teachers.We long for the adventures of this night sky traveling. Our horizons expand. expand.
Ah yes, the cult thing again. You know its funny how the judgments and accusations ONLY come from people who have never, and will never visit or be open to these kinds of experiences. not to mention the programming around your sons experience being projected squarely onto us. LOL. its’ ok, its an understandable response. truth is its not really that important in the big scheme of things… each person has a unique path. this is not a necessary an experience for everyone to explore. i fully recognize and respect that.
we are simply LIVING. we work, we play and we happen to have people who visit from all over the world. yes things happen, but it is surprisingly normal. So the exploitation things is hilarious… I just cant for the life of me figure out how someone could come to that conclusion. ce la vie and par for the course. social consciousness and programming is truly a bitch to move beyond. but it is possible….As I said, I am an independently minded person (all 6 of us are so very different) and we dont necessarily agree on perspectives but we do know how to respect others points of view….thats more than I can say for most people…. I cant (and wouldnt want to) change anyones mind if that is what they think or feel, its not really important or necessary to worry about that kind of thing….. There are many others who are sincerely interested in self mastery and evolution. All I can do is do me and share with others if they are interested. I invite you come visit and see for yourself… I guarantee you’ll feel like an idiot for these baseless remarks if you did visit. guaranteed…. 😉
Here is some brain food for you to chew on. be open to it, who knows where it may lead…..:
“If you want to awaken all of humanity, then awaken all of yourself, if you want to eliminate the suffering in the world, then eliminate all that is dark and negative in yourself. Truly, the greatest gift you have to give is that of your own self-transformation.” – Lao Tzu
Your great mistake is to act the drama as if you were alone. To feel abandoned is to deny the intimacies of your surroundings. Surely even you, at times, have felt the grand array, the swelling presence, and the chorus crowding out your solo voice. Put down the weight of your aloneness and ease into the conversation. All the birds and creatures of the world are, unutterably, themselves. Everything … everything … everything … is waiting for you.” ~ (David Whyte)
“Nature loves courage. You make the commitment and nature will respond to that commitment by removing impossible obstacles. Dream the impossible dream and the world will not grind you under, it will lift you up. This is the trick. This is the shamanic dance in the waterfall. This is how magic is done. By hurling yourself into the abyss and discovering its a feather bed.” ― Terence McKenna
The Night SkyThe night sky calls, “Look up! Look up!”Our heads tilt back and our eyes look toward the heavens. We bathe in the wonder and delight we see … then … suddenly we are drawn into new realms and we become the night sky travelers.Curiosity and awe lead the way.We learn as we go following the age old paths seen in the heavens. Discoveries are made, insights flow, and cycles turn.We move through the seasons and the solar system, dancing with the heavenly bodies. The setting sun, the phases of the moon, the stars, the planets, the constellations … all the jewels of the night sky become our friends and teachers.We long for the adventures of this night sky traveling. Our horizons expand. expand.
Ah yes, the cult thing again. You know its funny how the judgments and accusations ONLY come from people who have never, and will never visit or be open to these kinds of experiences. not to mention the programming around your sons experience being projected squarely onto us. LOL. its’ ok, its an understandable response.
we are simply LIVING. we work, we play and we happen to have people who visit from all over the world. yes things happen, but it is surprisingly normal. So the exploitaton things is hilarious… I just cant for the life of me figure out how someone could come to that conclusion. ce la vie and par for the course. social consciousness and programming is truly a bitch to move beyond. but it is possible….As I said, I am an independently minded person (all 6 of us are so very different) and we dont necessarily agree on perspectives but we do know how to respect others points of view….thats more than I can say for most people…. I cant (and wouldnt want to) change anyones mind if that is what they think or feel, its not really important or necessary to worry about that kind of thing….. There are many others who are sincerely interested in self mastery and evolution. All I can do is do me and share with others if they are interested. I invite you come visit and see for yourself… I guarantee you’ll feel like an idiot for these baseless remarks if you did visit. guaranteed…. 😉
Here is some brain food for you to chew on. be open to it, who knows where it may lead…..:
“If you want to awaken all of humanity, then awaken all of yourself, if you want to eliminate the suffering in the world, then eliminate all that is dark and negative in yourself. Truly, the greatest gift you have to give is that of your own self-transformation.” – Lao Tzu
Your great mistake is to act the drama as if you were alone. To feel abandoned is to deny the intimacies of your surroundings. Surely even you, at times, have felt the grand array, the swelling presence, and the chorus crowding out your solo voice. Put down the weight of your aloneness and ease into the conversation. All the birds and creatures of the world are, unutterably, themselves. Everything … everything … everything … is waiting for you.” ~ (David Whyte)
“Nature loves courage. You make the commitment and nature will respond to that commitment by removing impossible obstacles. Dream the impossible dream and the world will not grind you under, it will lift you up. This is the trick. This is the shamanic dance in the waterfall. This is how magic is done. By hurling yourself into the abyss and discovering its a feather bed.” ― Terence McKenna
The Night SkyThe night sky calls, “Look up! Look up!”Our heads tilt back and our eyes look toward the heavens. We bathe in the wonder and delight we see … then … suddenly we are drawn into new realms and we become the night sky travelers.Curiosity and awe lead the way.We learn as we go following the age old paths seen in the heavens. Discoveries are made, insights flow, and cycles turn.We move through the seasons and the solar system, dancing with the heavenly bodies. The setting sun, the phases of the moon, the stars, the planets, the constellations … all the jewels of the night sky become our friends and teachers.We long for the adventures of this night sky traveling. Our horizons expand. expand.
I like how, since you live at the ranch, you can’t be Unbiased YET you claim to be?
Also I am fully open to the idea of UFO’s BUT I dont think you should be mixing it with New Age Spirituality then get all worked up when people start calling bullshit on you.
Step back and look critically at your claims. The quotes you have posted are about having an unbiased look at the world and yourself. You dont have that, you are closed minded in the other extreme to the people you are claiming as having closed minds.
You are closed minded towards criticism of your beliefs (yes they are beliefs, get over it) so don’t start trying to take the moral high ground when that poor woman simply stated that the ranch looked like a cult her son joined.
i dont think i claimed anything of the sort.
I did clarify misconceptions about drug use, and the cult references. Its simply wrong.
I also didnt take a moral high ground, I clearly stated I respect others beliefs, however, consider this…….its called dialogue and its important in this forum as people come to see a film. I add my 2 cents to clarify things that are absolutely untrue and a result of closed minded attitudes. Judgement. condemnation etc. I do this to show another point of view and way of looking at things. Its important to see all aspects, and most importantly to deal in truth and fact.as for the other stuff, we are all spiritual beings. though you may not recognize it, you are absolutely. The term ‘new age’ does not apply to me, i know what is behind that hive mentality and it certainly has nothing to do with me. Accepting and being comfortable talking about energetic experiences doesnt make something new age. THAT is programming right there. Meant to keep you from even considering there is something more to you and everything around you. Quantum Physics is acceptable to discuss, yes? Start there, it leads you to the same place. Its the science that backs all of this up. ever heard of the Higgs particle? talk about mixing spirituality and science… Basically none of this is a fad, or hive or a group think Its just not. its universal truth. It is ancient wisdom, And it has been wisdom passed through generations. It is self mastery, and that cannot be given by another living soul. It is an inner journey, like it or not. Refusing to accept this is the cause of many wrong assumptions in this world in my view…. just sayin…..
Your response proves my point. You are condemning people for being closed minded, saying we are all programmed (seriously WTF?)
That tells me you didn’t even READ what I said. Accusing someone with an opposing position of being programmed is losing the debate, you admit you won’t take their point of you even remotely seriously.Quantum Physics? Higgs particle? Do you even know what physics is? It doesn’t support your position in the slightest. Your rhetoric is very, very similar to new agers.